Stay 4k away from things.. then no problem.. Easy fix I win! Oh and Fly better!

The collision system is one of those ancient systems that was built over a decade ago. Last time they had to tweak it (4ish years ago for desynch reasons I think) it took a ton of work for devs to dive into the system. It was written by a guy with a degree in chaos theory... on the other hand it's basically just a ball simulation. That in a nutshell is why it is so poor. Performance is good though, because it's such a simple system.

So the final answer is that it's poor because CCP would have to rip out the entire system and rewrite it from scratch, and then do massive amounts of tweaking and testing, not to mention redoing collision boxes for the extremely large amount of structures and ships in the game. Maybe someday, but CCP knows that players would appreciate putting that effort into graphics, more anti-lag, features, etc. It's just not a very sellable feature for the amount of effort it takes.

The collision system is one of those ancient systems that was built over a decade ago. Last time they had to tweak it (4ish years ago for desynch reasons I think) it took a ton of work for devs to dive into the system. It was written by a guy with a degree in chaos theory... on the other hand it's basically just a ball simulation. That in a nutshell is why it is so poor. Performance is good though, because it's such a simple system.

So the final answer is that it's poor because CCP would have to rip out the entire system and rewrite it from scratch, and then do massive amounts of tweaking and testing, not to mention redoing collision boxes for the extremely large amount of structures and ships in the game. Maybe someday, but CCP knows that players would appreciate putting that effort into graphics, more anti-lag, features, etc. It's just not a very sellable feature for the amount of effort it takes.

Whitehound -
What do you mean?

I can only imagine the pirate captains of these ship raging at unfair universe ...

Immersion = killed.

Stay 4k away from things.. then no problem.. Easy fix I win! Oh and Fly better!

I made a picture not long ago demonstrating what's wrong with Eve's colission. It's because of single convex colission hulls. Probably was a decent enough technical solution 10 years ago but not anymore. Separating the colission models at least into some parts shouldn't be that much more expensive on the hardware. It's not like Eve is a game with thousands of props sitting around in the environment like some other games.

http://i.imgur.com/7vzXngA.jpg

Its not that I get stuck on stuff (well it is) its that my ship is flipping full re tard. and keeps trying to hug the object.

Tron 3K -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_comprehension
You win at sucking at that^. Being discussed is the collision detection itself, not how to work around it. At that, your suggestion isn't full-proof, as mission objects can be 30km in diameter yet it will say 0km distance from the object no matter where you're at.

Whitehound -
What do you mean?

Tron 3K -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reading_comprehension
You win at sucking at that^. Being discussed is the collision detection itself, not how to work around it. At that, your suggestion isn't full-proof, as mission objects can be 30km in diameter yet it will say 0km distance from the object no matter where you're at.

Whitehound -
What do you mean?

the worst is when you have to go into structures to access a can or whatever. if it were possible to see the collision boundaries on tactical overlay that would be make life easier.

Read this.

Surprised I haven't seen more threads on this... is anyone else tired of getting stuck on invisible pieces of objects? I can understand when undocking, but the rest is damn frustrating. Is there a reason why it has to be this way?

Stations - Some parts you can travel directly through, other parts you'll bounce off when several ship lengths away.
Asteroids - Inconsistent. Sometimes you can pass right by them, other times you'll get stuck as above.
Structures in missions - UGH. I have gotten stuck while a good 2-3km from anything visually apparent.

What's the deeeeeeeeeal with EvE's collision detection?

"Fly better" - Thanks for being an idiot and/or a troll. Appreciate it.

Neat, but not relevant to object collision detection.

GǪapart from being the core element of how collision works and explaining why it's set up the way it is.

You didn't read it, did you?

I read it, and it doesn't say anything about object collision at all.

Why would you need chaos theory equations to predict the motion and interaction with a STATIC, STATIONARY OBJECT?

Why would the server need to "predict" the behavior of things that have no behaviors?

I understood it.

Dont you guys remember the incursion mothership with the asteroid bouncing on it?? remember that video? Thats what V3 is supposed to be from all i can remember, they have been working on this side of the game for years now.

You win at not reading the your own link above. Full-Proof is non-existant meaning in order for someone to comprehend what your typing then learn how to spell.

Maybe fool proof... or dumby proof or idiot proof.
http://oxforddictionaries.com/words/spelling

OP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm
You suck at this^.. And you are this -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot

Its fun with these arrows and wikipedia.. When you learn to take sarcasm and someone being a smartass in stride and not respond you won't get another smartass remark..

Another aspect of this is that while we are unable to fly through other ships or objects, we have absolutely no issues shooting threw them. This also seems add to me. If they ever re-visit collision detection, hit-boxed it would be nice to also disallow shooting through other objects or have those shots strike the obstructing object.

Cant people understand this is part of the current upgrades being made to the model.
Its a physical problem meaning a graphical one also, they are remaking the models to V3 thats what is being done, until everything is V3 i guess they wont upgrade the whole physics engine on TQ.

Dont you guys remember the incursion mothership with the asteroid bouncing on it?? remember that video? Thats what V3 is supposed to be from all i can remember, they have been working on this side of the game for years now.

How about collision detection for weapons? It might actually be fun using some of these stationary objects as cover.

Loosely related: NPC pathfinding.

I go into a mission and there's a bunch of NPC ship groups, one of which is 180km away behind a static object. After klilling all other groups, I now have to drift 90km over to them to kill them then 90km back to the acceleration gate. If that static object wasn't there, they would have come to me while I was fighting the other groups. As it is, the entire group spends the 20minutes+ bumping their spaceships into an object in space. I can only imagine the pirate captains of these ship raging at unfair universe for putting an object there and giving them no tools to go around it. They look pretty damned stupid either way, just hitting their heads against a wall because they can't figure out to go around.

If you don't want to put at least basic pathfinding on your NPCs, you could at least do them a favour and not put objects in their way.

Immersion = killed.

For whatever reason some missions seem to spawn NPC ships so close to some objects (like the Amarr Station ruins present in some missions) that they actually glitch inside them unable to ever leave it again. Hooray for mission design. -.-

Lol, I actually had something similar happen in my first couple weeks of playing. I was trying to warp out in low-sec but had that "bump the station" endlessly problem. It eventually pushed me THROUGH the station somehow, so I disengaged warp thinking I found a glitched out safe spot I could troll from. Well, within a few minutes someone locked onto me and showed me otherwise .

The answer is math. Because it needs to be done serverside algorithms must be simple and fast to compute.

Take two spheres. One is the object, the other is you. Calculate the distance between the centers and subtract the radius if both. Is that number lower then 0? The objects collide and the collision is handled. Problem? The 3D models obviously aren't all sphere shaped.