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Torin
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Posted - 2003.08.14 08:21:00 -
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In my small dealings with the diseased Joves, a few of their statements caught my attention. I am curious, what exactly are the symptoms of this disease and how does it affect the Jovians' state of mind? I have heard it causes some form of depression. But these Joves seemed to suffer from...mental instability. It was apparent that some of them wrestled with fits of rage.
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Courier
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Posted - 2003.08.14 09:09:00 -
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In my small dealings with the diseased Joves, a few of their statements caught my attention. I am curious, what exactly are the symptoms of this disease and how does it affect the Jovians' state of mind? to suffer from...mental instability.
Mental instability? Sounds like all Minmatarris to me - maybe the disease was caught from the Minmatar and passed to the Joves? Sounds more like it. Maybe Concord should hold a full investigation.
We in Amarr can tell and have been quick to tell all that will listen that Minmatar are a disease that needs to be lanced like a puss filled boil that sits on our bottoms.
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Torin
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Posted - 2003.08.14 09:53:00 -
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<sigh>
Courier, your verbal flatulence you call a reply is, well...cute. Torin is amused. Therefore, when we meet on the battlefield, I shall do you honor and kill you last.
In the meantime, did your archaic Amarrian religious or medical tombs contain any information on the Jovian disease? You must look past the chapters on leechings, bloodlettings and castrol oil cures to possibly find any clues.
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Qual
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Posted - 2003.08.14 12:04:00 -
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The Jove Disease is basically a genetic flaw. In their quest for perfection they overlooked something and generations later the symptom started to appear.
The disease thus lay dormant within every Jove. What brings it from its dormant state to the actual disease is not known yet, but the symptoms are clear. The Jove will suffer a deep depression that will gradually grow worse until the subjectÆs body simply gives up.
The following explanation to the disease and the problem with it is cure is an assumption made by non Jove geneticist like me, and may not be fact. The lack of information leaves much to speculation:
The problem of the disease is assumed to be that it is a complex relation between genetics and the psyche. We are not talking a finding a mere gene that makes you predisposed for the disease. His would be fairly easy. It seems that the fundamental change they made to the human genome has created an instability that sometimes manifests itself in the psyche. So a to find the cure you would have to study Jovian life and society to try and fix the psychological factors that makes some Joves develop the disease. Then you have to link these factors to the psyche and the physical layout of the Jove brain. That in time could bring us to an understanding of what the true nature of the instability is in the genome.
I hope this helps you to better understand.
Regards,
Qual
Head of R&D, Cornexant Corporation
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Courier
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Posted - 2003.08.14 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: Courier on 14/08/2003 13:34:18
Edited by: Courier on 14/08/2003 13:33:32
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<sigh>
Courier, your verbal flatulence you call a reply is, well...cute. Torin is amused. Therefore, when we meet on the battlefield, I shall do you honor and kill you last.
Promise to kill me with love and i shall follow you to the ends of the earth 
PS: with those sunglasses and leather coat i presume you drive the new BMW cruiser? Window down, arm resting on the port hole, whistling at the biatches as they fly by? Playing the latest tune from the minmatar wannabe Phlemenem? Hip Hop(scotch) at its best
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Excelsis
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Posted - 2003.08.14 13:32:00 -
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sweet
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Tehel Necrona
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Posted - 2003.08.14 14:11:00 -
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Thanks for that information it was extremley informative and cleared many a question i had on this issue.
For the sake of all Jove i hope they overcome this.
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Rhianna Desaille
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Posted - 2003.08.14 14:31:00 -
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Im afraid that our jovian neighbors may not overcome such a defect for many generations yet. This is the reason the jove are so secretive, it is simply a quarantine measure. It is a shame that certain jove become so desperate and hopeless that they feel they must essentially kamikaze into empire space, spreading the disease and proving once again that the enigmatic jovians are not to be ever totally trusted. However, time heals all wounds and i can imagine that a lot of research on the jovians part is going into finding a way of removing the genetic flaw.
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Qual
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Posted - 2003.08.14 18:34:00 -
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Edited by: Qual on 14/08/2003 18:34:47
With all due respect Rhianna, you fail to understand one very important thing that makes your statements completely invalid:
The Jove Disease is heredetary and thus not infectious.
Cross-breeding seems the only way the disease could be transfered to non Jovians, and I have no records of that ever happening. Most likely its imossible due to the great differences between the normal human genome and the Jove genome.
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Doc Brown
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Posted - 2003.08.14 18:47:00 -
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The Jove Disease is heredetary and thus not infectious.
Cross-breeding seems the only way the disease could be transfered to non Jovians, and I have no records of that ever happening. Most likely its imossible due to the great differences between the normal human genome and the Jove genome.
Since the Joves are decended from our same ancestors, isn't there a high chance for the disease to jump genome?
Also, what about those rumors I've heard of people trying to weaponize the disease.
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Qual
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Posted - 2003.08.14 19:27:00 -
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Edited by: Qual on 14/08/2003 19:27:31
The only way for the disease to affect us or rather our descendants would be if there was a successful mating between a non-Jove and a Jove. Even then the disease would only affect the descendants of those.
But as stated I do not believe that is even possible.
As for turning the disease into a weapon? Well, that is just nonsense. This kind of disease canÆt be used as a weapon. How would you? To replicate its effect you would have to make a weapon capable of doing something resembling genetic therapy on the whole body of the target. And after that you would have to wait for days, months, years, if ever(!) for the effect to show. So let us drop the paranoid propaganda shall we? This will NEVER be a weapon.
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Doc Brown
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Posted - 2003.08.14 20:37:00 -
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I don't know about those Jove though. They like trying new and untested items.
It's still fresh in my mind when the Jove were testing a Stasis web that managed to stop me in my tracks many, many systems away.
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Majin Buu
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Posted - 2003.08.16 17:13:00 -
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gah i guess roast jove is off the menu now 
and we have so many corpses 
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Qual
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Posted - 2003.08.16 18:09:00 -
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If that happens to include the body of Ouria, please contact me, ASAP.
Regards,
Qual
Head of Research, Cornexant Inc.
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Halo Jones
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Posted - 2003.08.16 21:25:00 -
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Current Caldari research stations are attempting to define the gene strands responsible for this 'disease'. As the genes become activated, the depression begins, further, faster expression will lead to increased 'signs' of the depression, until as stated previously the jovo just gives up, and either goes to a corner to die, or attempts a last blaze of glory.
If we can find the specific sequences for the activator pathways for these genes, it will be possible to replicate viral-based precursors to specifically target the Jovians. These viral based 'weapons' could be distributed within any aircondition system - from station to station, and ship to ship.
If released effectively we could wipe out vast amounts of the Jovians before they realised the reasons for the acceleration of the disease incidence. Progress is currently limited by insufficent quantites of biomass of non-affected and affected Jovians.
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Qual
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Posted - 2003.08.17 07:25:00 -
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Interesting.
Of course this build on the theory that the disease is "simple", that is to to say a normal hereditary disease bound to a specific gene sequence.
If it where that easy the Joves whould have found a cure millenias ago.
This sound more like a way for my esteemed collegues at the Caldari Military Genetics Institute to get huge money grants...
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Benedic
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Posted - 2003.08.17 16:06:00 -
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This is all very interesting, as the Jove quite frankly facinate me. From the way they talk (what I have seen that is) the Jove are very logical, rational and calm. Maybe this is a result of their society, or perhaps they geneticly engenered themselfs to be this way.
It could be that the Jovan decease is the "breaking free" of the negative aspects of their minds and that it manifests in diffrent ways. Perhaps in some it causes depresion in most cases, but perhaps in other cases the effects are far more dramatic as that recently happend when a group of veterans from the Jove-Amarr war became ronin and began a crusade against the Amarr. Perhaps during the Amarr/Jove conflict the Jove in question saw things that disturbed them, in particular the slavery and degredation of the Minmatar people. Perhaps Ouria and his commrads even quietly assisted the Minmatar people in their uprising, a strech I know but bare in mind that Ouria had his last stand with my fellow Minmatar at his side ie The Red Bone Corsairs. All the years of having to reprease what happend them many years ago must of come to ahead when the Joven desease took hold, and they where trying to finnish it.
Any further information from the Jove government would be welcome on this issue, after all if my theroy is true and they did assist the Minmartar in our great uprising then they should be honoured.
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Entroph
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Posted - 2003.09.07 07:41:00 -
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From what I understand of the Jove Disease, it is a genetic flaw that developed as a side-effect to the years of adaption and betterment of human genes. Jovians were Jove before Eve, back in the old world. And just like the other varying peoples that chose to start new lives at this side of the wormhole, Joves set up a colony and grew.
If one were to believe in a higher being, it's easy to say that the Jove Disease is a balancing method implemented by He. You see the primary effect it has on the Jovian Race is population limitation.
Jovians reproduce through artificial means. Jove children aren't born, they are grown. The flaw with this kind of society, is that it lacks nature's invaluable input of evolution. Joves cannot overcome a genetic trait they have cast upon themselves as a human would, because they cannot evolve past it.
As for a Jove-Human mate, I'm not even sure if this is possible. A Jove hasn't participated in standard reproduction methods for hundreds of years now.
Now as a final point, I would like to express my opinion on the disease itself. As I have read here, and as I have researched from various other sources, it would seem that depression is a side-effect, but not a primary attribute to the Jove Disease. The disease is fatal, but it has an effect on the mind of the person afflicted with it. From my point of view, as an innocent Caldari, a Jove affected by the disease is happy. In a hysterical, slightly disturbed kind of way of course. Perhaps these Jovians that procure the affliction see themselves as superior to other Joves, and perhaps that is the very reason they are exiled and driven from "civil" Joves.
The flame of these diseased Joves may burn the shortest, but I doubt not that it burns brighter than a mighty Serpentis Sun.
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Elite Holder
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Posted - 2003.09.07 14:30:00 -
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When thou art born in a tube thou art given problems LOL.
"Leave leadership to thyn leader"
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