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Oisin
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Posted - 2005.12.09 00:49:00 -
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To everyone who cares about the future of the Federation - A Call to Action
Mentas Blaque is a front runner in the Gallente Presidential race. If he is elected, his policies will destabilise the fragile galactic peace and the sensitive relations between the various ethnic groups within the Federation. It is widely known that he dislikes the Intaki and regards us as criminals and terrorists. According to a Scope profile of M. Blaque some months ago, "In his view, the Gallenteans are the true champions of democracy, other members of the Federation are simply 'guests' of the great and generous Gallentean nation."
The lack of a substantial response to some recent questions to all candidates is also very worrying. It seems to indicate a sense of apathy among pod-pilot activists and possibly also among the general public. History shows us that this type of disillusionment or disengagement from such important political issues often leads to extremists taking power by default. In my view, Blaque is just such an extremist.
All other things being equal, I would support Eman Autrech. But all things are not equal. Autrech can only prevent Blaque's election if President Foiritain is beaten into third place, and for a popular sitting president to do so badly is unthinkable.
Therefore, I encourage everyone who believes that the Federation should be inclusive of all its people, and that nobody should be a second-class Federation citizen, to oppose Mentas Blaque with all of your ability. And that means voting for Souro Foiritain, even if you disagree with him; because Blaque as President will lead the Federation into ruin.
"Save the Federation from Fanaticism - Re-elect the President"
The above views are mine only and not the official position of Placid Reborn
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Jalia Kovac
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Posted - 2005.12.09 15:27:00 -
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I have supported Mr. Autrech myself, having at one time worked as an aide during his campaign. However, given the mounting tensions between the factions and the very real prospect of a xenophobic Blaque gaining sufficient impetus to become a serious contender, I feel that supporting the liberal, reformist, "dark horse" candidate may indeed split the vote and allow for a Blaque victory.
With more than a small degree of sadness I find myself agreeing with your call to support the incumbent President in his bid for re-election.
Mr. Autrech, there is still time for you to make a dramatic bid for the hearts and minds of the Federation's citizens. Show the people a vision for a bright and prosperous future and begin to heal the rifts both within and without. Should your campaign falter, please consider a public showing of support for President Foiritan and urge voters to rally behind him. Let us do the right thing for the Federation in this time of need.
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Shemar
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Posted - 2005.12.09 18:18:00 -
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 Originally by: Jalia Kovac
Let us do the right thing for the Federation in this time of need.
I was under the impression that your corporation was advocating the creation of an independant Intaki state. Rhetoric from some of your members included a very strong anti-Federation sentiment. Was that personal opinions not in line with official corporate policy? Or are these different statements such? Or was there a shift in policy?
So, I would like some clarification on Placid Reborn's official positions, regading the Intaki, the separatist movement (if indeed there still is one) and the Federation.
I realize this may not be exactly 'on subject' but I always believed that apart from what one is currently saying, to fully understand them, one must also know where they are coming from.
Trembling hands or nerves of steel, someone tell me what to feel.
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Mather Maelstrom
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Posted - 2005.12.09 18:56:00 -
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Tough I a member of Coreli I do not support Blaque, my support goes to Eman Autrech. I do not however quite share the same view as he does towards CONCORD.
I would like to see the expansion of controlled space, but first our own space should be completely under our control, a stronger Gallente Navy is needed.
If we cut back financial support for CONCORD to boost our navy and take over systems within the federation from concord patrols, moving those patrols to outer regions, we should be able to benefit from a larger safe space while maintaining quite the same financial burden on both entities (federation and concord).
There's my view, but I would like to know why Placid Reborn is against Mentas Blaque? If he does what you expect him to do no doubt you will finally get huge support from the Intaki home world and Intaki colonies rather then the small support you have from the syndicate now.
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Oisin
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Posted - 2005.12.09 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Shemar
Originally by: Jalia Kovac
Let us do the right thing for the Federation in this time of need.
I was under the impression that your corporation was advocating the creation of an independant Intaki state. Rhetoric from some of your members included a very strong anti-Federation sentiment. Was that personal opinions not in line with official corporate policy? Or are these different statements such? Or was there a shift in policy?
So, I would like some clarification on Placid Reborn's official positions, regading the Intaki, the separatist movement (if indeed there still is one) and the Federation.
I realize this may not be exactly 'on subject' but I always believed that apart from what one is currently saying, to fully understand them, one must also know where they are coming from.
Thanks for your interest - it's a fair question :)
Placid Reborn members have a wide range of diverse ideas and viewpoints on what is the best outcome for the Intaki people and for Placid region, and also on how best to achieve their desired outcomes. For example, some of us feel that greater autonomy within the Federation is the most desirable outcome, while others support a free Intaki state with no ties to the Gallente. I regard that diversity of opinion as a great strength of our movement.
One thing I believe we all agree on is that the most obvious discrimination, for example the poor security status of our home system, urgently needs to be addressed. A President who can meet these needs will surely strengthen the Federation and encourage us to feel ownership, pride and loyalty towards it. Electing a President who regards us as "guests" in the Federation rather than true citizens will only serve to drive us away from the aspiration of a multicultural society, and towards a more overt separatism.
I am a citizen of a state with a noble and democratic history, of which I am proud. But if my citizenship is to be made worthless and my pride in it to be insulted, I will have no reason to cling to it.
To a large extent, the future of the Intaki is held in the hands of the billions of voters on Gallente Prime and elsewhere in our Federation. Shall we be forced to leave, taking our region with us, or shall we be welcomed alongside the Gallente to face the challenges of the future?
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Jalia Kovac
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Posted - 2005.12.09 21:37:00 -
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Our official position can be found here.
We make no mention of support for the independence movement. Since Placid Reborn would not be involved in any decisions regarding the formation of such an independent Intaki state nor should we be involved it its governance, we see no benefit in having an official position on the matter at this time.
We do however operate in a region of space in which Intaki affairs are of importance. Our membership is primarily Intaki but not at all exlusively. Individuals will certainly have their own personal views on the matter of self-determination for Intaki and are of course free to do so.
As a native of Slays, a graduate of the fine Center for Advanced Studies in Cistuvaert and as an officer of the Federation Navy, I have long held the opinion that should the Federation have the willpower to improve the plight of millions of Intaki throughout both Placid and the Syndicate, the resources necessary to achieve this could be mustered. What we require is a leader of sufficient humility, intelligence and dedication to achieve this.
Mr. Maelstrom, I certainly agree that a Blaque victory would indeed solidify greater support for Intaki issues in the home system and in parts of Placid and Syndicate. I doubt however that it would lead to the kind of peaceful resolution many of us are hoping for. Any initial steps should in my opinion be towards a greater degree of security throughout Placid, moves to promote economic growth and a resolution granting greater Intaki involvement in local affairs.
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Shemar
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Posted - 2005.12.09 22:36:00 -
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Thank you for clarifying your position.
While at this time I am not ready to express support for one candidate or the other I can certainly rule out any support for Blaque, based oh his divisive and discriminating views.
A strong Federation needs all of it's citizens. Any regime that would attempt to legislatively relegate a part of the Federation to being second class citizens will be unacceptable.
Trembling hands or nerves of steel, someone tell me what to feel.
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Halunoto Vankaalen
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Posted - 2005.12.10 00:45:00 -
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I wonder if the rising of another right-wing senate is the omen for a great Caldari victory.
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Lord Shrewsberry
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Posted - 2005.12.10 01:22:00 -
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In the past the Intaki have supported the Caldari. It would be a victory, as Halunoto Vankaalen said. One good example would be Mordu's Legion
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Val Erian
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Posted - 2005.12.10 01:51:00 -
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You seem familiar...did I meet you on a mission killing UDI terrorists?
Great victory? Like the last time? When the "victory" was evacuating your Home World?
In any case, I am sure democratic elections are as incomprehensible to you as Caldari fashion sense is to me.
I don't agree with all of Blanque's positions. My grandmother would have liked him more, she always thought the Federation was a totally Gallante affiar. Personally, I think that everyone should join the Federation, the Gallante have brought so much freedom and prosperity to people in the Federation I have trouble understanding opposition to it.
But opposition there is. Since I have been in space it is obvious to me that severe danger exsits. The Navy must be made stronger. This is paramount to other concerns.
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Jon Engel
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Posted - 2005.12.10 02:21:00 -
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Edited by: Jon Engel on 10/12/2005 02:21:52
I can hope blaque will not be elected, but the Gallentean people as a whole care not for the Intaki as they live in safe secure worlds and even dare to claim the homeworld of the Caldari people (to this day). The effects of Imperialism are obvious. A vote for Blaque is a vote for Racism, and elitism. I can not live in a Federation who refers to already disenfranchised people as guests of the so called noble Gallenteans. The Intaki people are coming down a road with two paths. Lets us pray they arent forced to take the less desirable one.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2005.12.10 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Val Erian
Great victory? Like the last time? When the "victory" was evacuating your Home World?
I think the victory would be our current military and technological might, while you federation kids are in quite possibly the worst condition of any of the 4 empires. How does it feel to hate your own people (the intaki) as well as having people you helped free slowly passing you (the minmatar people)?
That's what I love about you Gallente, you think that having taken control of Caldari Prime, during a time that we could've returned the orbital bomb favor, in the past makes you something good now. Rest assured that when your insane politicans try to massacre the Intaki for not allowing themselves to be treated like garbage, that they will most likely not feel compelled to resist the urge to reduce your homeworld to rubble.
You want to know how to fix your decrept Navy? Rather than treating the Intaki like you did the Caldari, why don't you people help them secure their homeworld and its system? You'll find people are more willing to help something that they're apart of, when they're treated equally.
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Shemar
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Posted - 2005.12.10 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
I think the victory would be our current military and technological might, while you federation kids are in quite possibly the worst condition of any of the 4 empires. How does it feel to hate your own people (the intaki) as well as having people you helped free slowly passing you (the minmatar people)?
You are obviously delusional. Who hates the Intaki? Some of my best firends are Intaki. And since we are a progressive, democratic and enlightened society, something which you could not possibly know anything about, we revel with the progress of friends instead of worrying about competing with them. And no that is definitely not an acknowledgemt that Gallente technology is inferior to anyone, just that we do not spend our time and energy worrying about it and instead have lives.
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
That's what I love about you Gallente, you think that having taken control of Caldari Prime, during a time that we could've returned the orbital bomb favor, in the past makes you something good now. Rest assured that when your insane politicans try to massacre the Intaki for not allowing themselves to be treated like garbage, that they will most likely not feel compelled to resist the urge to reduce your homeworld to rubble.
Your ignorance (or rather the 'education') about anything Gallente is obvious. The bombing of Caldari Prime is a dark moment in our history, never to be repeated. If the proven majority of the Intaki wanted to leave the Federation I would support their request.
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
You want to know how to fix your decrept Navy? Rather than treating the Intaki like you did the Caldari, why don't you people help them secure their homeworld and its system? You'll find people are more willing to help something that they're apart of, when they're treated equally.
I have a better idea. Why don't you go worry about your own problems? The quality of life of the average Gallente citizen is about 10 times that of a Caldari one, so 'no thanks' to any 'advice'.
Trembling hands or nerves of steel, someone tell me what to feel.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2005.12.10 04:46:00 -
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Originally by: Shemar
I have a better idea. Why don't you go worry about your own problems? The quality of life of the average Gallente citizen is about 10 times that of a Caldari one, so 'no thanks' to any 'advice'.
I'm sure it is... let me guess, you got this information from a Gallente, or 'no-biased' source? Perhaps its some strange sense of humor you have. I've never seen a worse standard of living than in Gallente systems. Sure the people are 'happy', but it's hard to miss good things you've never had I guess.
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.12.10 10:24:00 -
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Anyone who wants to be a politician should be automatically disqualified from the job.
Don't vote - it only encourages them. Decisions are best made by reaching a concensus through negotiation utilising superior firepower...
Can you see the light? Hit it and run!
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Kaleigh Doyle
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Posted - 2005.12.10 14:51:00 -
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I'll be abstaining from the voting process myself, at least this round. It's proven to be quite a circus thus far with the candidates as its comedic ringmasters and the Federation's apathy towards the capsule community overwhelming. And while in the grand scheme of things one less vote amongst billions won't mean much, my conscience will feel better not having supported any of these cronies.
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Val Erian
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Posted - 2005.12.10 19:00:00 -
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I don't seem to recall The Federation extending the vote to members of the Caldari State, maybe you can better your time elsewhere instead of trying to influence our internal affairs? Maybe planning further terrorist infiltration under the guise of a 'Memorial Service"?
Perhaps I should be quiet. These assualts by the Caldari in a discussion of the Presidential election only proves the point of the severe dangers we face. Blaque seems to be the only canidate with a plan to meet these threats. As for the Intaki, Intaki are so integrated into the Federation that it is inconceviable that there would be a seperation.
One thing I have not seen mentioned here is the differant positions taken by the canidates on development of new worlds. Blaque's intent to have the Federation oversee this for the general benfit of its citizens rather than explotation by megecorporate interest seem a good one to me. The President's proposal sounds to....Caldari for me.
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Serin Reik
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Posted - 2005.12.10 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Val Erian
As for the Intaki, Intaki are so integrated into the Federation that it is inconceviable that there would be a seperation.
I'm not one of the few Intakis arguing for a sudden and violent route to independence but closed minded opinions like yours are counter productive to repairing relations between ethnic Gallenteans and other members of our Federation. The Minmatar were quite 'integrated' into the Amarr empire, but the situation became so unbearable that they revolted. I would never suggest that the current condition of the Intaki people is akin to slavery but I would say that many of us are against the election of a president that treats us as 'guests' in our own lands.
When it comes to the Caldari taking part in this discussion, why are you so disturbed? Peaceful discussion is in the interest of all, and if they want to weigh in with valid arguments and opinions, who are you to tell them to keep out of it?
Caldari citizens have shown many Intakis sympathy and are committed to helping us in our aims for greater recognition and self determination. Although Reik Laboratories is officially an Intaki corporation, we have a fair number of Caldari members sensitive to our goals of becoming the industrial engine behind a successful Intaki people. I for one will not turn their help away.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2005.12.10 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Val Erian
I don't seem to recall The Federation extending the vote to members of the Caldari State, maybe you can better your time elsewhere instead of trying to influence our internal affairs? Maybe planning further terrorist infiltration under the guise of a 'Memorial Service"?
Perhaps I should be quiet.
Yes, you should. If you Gallente don't show up and open fire on us again, we 'terrorists' won't have to protect ourselves. Yes ingore the Caldari, it worked so well for you r people the last time they did it, now those you hated have better lives and a more powerful nation than you ignorant Gallente. Your election doesn't really matter though, at the rate your politicans can debate each other, they're all going to die of old age before there's an election.
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Val Erian
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Posted - 2005.12.11 03:25:00 -
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Edited by: Val Erian on 11/12/2005 03:28:47
Originally by: Serin Reik
Originally by: Val Erian
As for the Intaki, Intaki are so integrated into the Federation that it is inconceviable that there would be a seperation.
When it comes to the Caldari taking part in this discussion, why are you so disturbed? Peaceful discussion is in the interest of all, and if they want to weigh in with valid arguments and opinions, who are you to tell them to keep out of it?
I am not sure what is so close minded about my views, but it should be obvious when we are talking about a FEDERATION Presidential election that citizens of another Stae should mind their own business? Thats not close minded thats common sense. And who am I? I am a Citizen of the Gallente Federation! That gives me the right to express my views.
And please read the Caldari posts...do you really think these are valid arguments and opinions?
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Hamish
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Posted - 2005.12.11 05:56:00 -
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Stand in the way of Mentas Blaque at your own risk, he is a veritable god among men and you filthy CONCORD lovers will suffer for your insolence.
Join Mentas Blaque and do away with CONCORD and all the filthy corruption ridden soft weaklings who burden the Federation with their lazy ineffectual idiocy.
It's time for a new beginning, strong leadership and a more decisive Dictator for Life.
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Halunoto Vankaalen
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Posted - 2005.12.11 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: Val Erian
Great victory? Like the last time? When the "victory" was evacuating your Home World?
What happened the last time a right-wing Senate gained control? Oh you might call it the founding of a new, more powerful State that outshadows you. Through grit and determination we fought you back and emerged at the end of the war, stronger and more powerful than ever before. Perhaps we should thank you for the war?
Vote for Blaque, if he drives for agression then it would be in good steed to have what is a lucky omen for us as your President. 
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Serin Reik
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Posted - 2005.12.11 11:48:00 -
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The election of Mentas Blaque will accomplish little more than driving a greater wedge between ethnic Gallenteans and Intakis. Anyone who votes for him knowing his stance on the other member races of the Federation is openly supporting a policy of racism.
The Gallenteans out there supporting Blaque, particularly those in Coreli and the Cyrene Initiative, would be wise to remember that the worse you treat Intakis, the less loyal to the Federation they will become. A vote for Blaque is undeniably a vote against the Intaki people and other minority groups that have helped to build up our empire into the envy of many.
The further along this path we go, the greater the pressure and support for the foundation of an independent Intaki State will become. Relations between the Intaki and Caldari will also continue to develop and improve.
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Mather Maelstrom
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Posted - 2005.12.11 12:00:00 -
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The average Gallente citizen is more prosperous then that of the Caldari State. The Caldari State however has had more progress on technological advances and military strength.
I would like to see less isk going into political campaigns or concord and more isk into our military or some sort of social platform.
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Jon Engel
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Posted - 2005.12.11 17:09:00 -
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Edited by: Jon Engel on 11/12/2005 17:10:59
I suppose the social programs you Coreli speak of is regarding your plans for the Syndicate and making every Intaki who doesnt wish to be Gallentean, emigrate there under the watchfull eyes of the Federation.
Social Programs don't cost alot of isk in the grand scheme of things. If I and my people are to retain our culture and heritage, we will do so on our homeworlds regardless of whether or not the Federation controls us.
The mere fact that Coreli holds these plans for the Syndicate and the Intaki people is offensive and I wouldnt be surprised if Coreli members keep Blaque posters in there homes.
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Oisin
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Posted - 2005.12.11 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Hamish
Stand in the way of Mentas Blaque at your own risk, he is a veritable god among men and you filthy CONCORD lovers will suffer for your insolence.
Join Mentas Blaque and do away with CONCORD and all the filthy corruption ridden soft weaklings who burden the Federation with their lazy ineffectual idiocy.
It's time for a new beginning, strong leadership and a more decisive Dictator for Life.
It is so good to see citizens of other empires taking part in this discussion. As I have said, if Blaque is elected it will threaten the current galactic peace and that can hardly be regarded as an internal Federation matter.
However, cultural misunderstandings being what they are, it is sometimes difficult to tell whether a person of another culture is joking or in earnest. Do you really support Blaque, who regards the Minmatar much the same as the Intaki - at best as "guests" on the sufferance of the Luminaire Gallente, if not as terrorists and criminals?
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Hamish Grayson
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Posted - 2005.12.11 22:22:00 -
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Monsieur Erian,
You seem to have a very gross misunderstanding of the events before The Exodus. And sadly your opinions on the Caldari seem to be tainted, however slightly , by the by the ever growing anti-Caldari racism among the Gallente. Considering the amount of propaganda Blaque is paying to have thrown at you during every waking moment û its hardly surprising you that it had aleast some small affect on you.
Very Respectfully,
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Shemar
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Posted - 2005.12.11 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Hamish Grayson
You seem to have a very gross misunderstanding of the events before The Exodus. And sadly your opinions on the Caldari seem to be tainted, however slightly , by the by the ever growing anti-Caldari racism among the Gallente. Considering the amount of propaganda Blaque is paying to have thrown at you during every waking moment û its hardly surprising you that it had aleast some small affect on you.
Please do not generalise. Not all Gallente harbor anti-Caldari sentiments. In fact I would hope that most do not.
Personally some of my best friends are Caldari. I have nothing against the Caldari people in general, only against those that view the Federation in an aggressive way.
Trembling hands or nerves of steel, someone tell me what to feel.
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Mather Maelstrom
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Posted - 2005.12.11 23:03:00 -
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I do not speak for Coreli, the social plans are actually just to ensure that no one goes completely bankrupt. Everyone at all times should have a decent life standard.
Few societies display such stark contrasts. Many of the wealthiest people in the world are Gallenteans, creating a constant demand for luxury goods. At the same time, the ranks of the poor number millions, because while the liberal market-driven economy and individual freedom may allow everybody the chance to advance to the top, they make it just as easy to plummet to the very bottom of the social ladder.
My plans are to raise the bottom of that social ladder.
I support Autrech. I advice you to stop your hostilities as my intentions are to discuss a better federation here and I have no room for your intolerance. Just shows how much you wish a better 'Intaki' seeking conflict here.
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Val Erian
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Posted - 2005.12.11 23:16:00 -
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Poster? Not sure what that is. I do have a very entertaining hologram of the good Senator and our President going at it on the last occasion they met.
Anyways, I certainly respectfully disagree with your views on the events leading up to the Great Run Away From Home.
This discussion has been hijacked by those who oppose the Federation, those who wish to use grievances to split the people of the Federation apart.
In any case it is not a few Pod Pilots who will decide this election. It is the millions of Citizens spread across thousands of worlds who will decide this.
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