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Upde
Upde Harris Industries
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Posted - 2013.07.16 00:56:00 -
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I have been in EvE since 2007. Thus far I have lead a failry sheltered life focusing on my little back end corner of hi-sec on the outer rim of lonetrek where i have been indy focused running a small 3 man mining and manufacturing operation supplying ammo and rigs to L4 mission runners in a 0.5 system.
I will cary on with this as it provides me with a steady ISK stream. However I have got a character that i have been training since 2007 that has got full gunnery skills (rails, blasters, projectiles, laser pew pew :) ) and can pilot Gal and Min frigates/cruisers and BCs. I really want to start engaing in PvP and as i know I can;t commit to a full nullsec sov based corp due to time I am looking into going the long john silver route.
I guess what i am looking for is some basic pointers in how to get off the ground. Some additional info: whle I hve lived predominantly in Hi-Sec I am not scared nor worried about getting blasted back to the stoneage. I am prepared toput hardware on the line and lose it. I have engaged in some PvP whilst mining when i got jumped by some frigs and then warped my muscle on grid that was parked up a few AU around the corner, however that was kinndergarten stuff and the few times I have been jumped i think they were sunday morning quarterbacks. !!!!
mainly I am looking for guidance on what ships are best to start off in when lloking to go into piracy. My aim is to go straight into losec as logisitically i haven't got the alpha needed for Hi-Sec suicide action. Also I don't care who I engage, as i stated i am prepared for the harsh learning, however I do want to at least start out on the right track rather than giving people free KB e-peen.
I would be open to joining a small piracy corp, but it would have to be on a casual basis as I am only on line for around 2 to 3 hours a day from aroun 10pm UK time |

Taoist Dragon
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
521
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Posted - 2013.07.16 04:19:00 -
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If you are interested in the pirate lifestyle go hit up the Black Dragon Fighting Society, The feeder corp for the Black Rebel Rifter Club.
They are all about chilled out casual solo/small gang pvp and know their stuff. That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything. |

Dato Koppla
Veni Vidi Evassi The Barking Nexus Chommy Alliance
273
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Posted - 2013.07.16 04:30:00 -
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Joining a corp is a good way to get started but sometimes finding the right corp can be hard. What I'd suggest is probably what most people would suggest too, fit up like 20 T1 frigates of your choice and just go for it. I'd suggest doing a little research about things like aggro timers and flags as well as some research on good low security systems for PvP, but that's the bare minimum. I actually delved into lowsec with no experience whatsoever on the same advice and though I lost alot of stuff, it taught me alot too, but in hindsight that information would have been priceless.
As for your choice of frigate, since you mentioned Min/Gal I would personally go for an Incursus (or a Tristan if you have good drone skills), there are many different fits you can choose from but I personally like scram-rail-kite-ab fits for lowsec work though that leaves you very vulnerable to kiters (this is where the Tristan comes in). Rifters are a little harder to fly as you have to capitalize on it's good speed and tracking or it tends to be subpar to other combat frigates, but if you wanna go for it it's still feasible.
Hope that helps and good luck. |

Whitehound
1543
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Posted - 2013.07.16 06:57:00 -
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Upde wrote:I guess what i am looking for is some basic pointers in how to get off the ground. You cannot teach an old dog new tricks. Either you have started EVE as a pirate or you have not. You will not be more than a miner with guns to everyone else.
Just look at yourself now. You need to ask for pointers on how to become a pirate. What kind of a pirate does that?!
A pirate can take a hauler or even a mining barge and use it for PvP, while you need to ask what ship to use.  Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |

Donbe Scurred
University of Caille Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.07.16 07:22:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Upde wrote:I guess what i am looking for is some basic pointers in how to get off the ground. You cannot teach an old dog new tricks. Either you have started EVE as a pirate or you have not. You will not be more than a miner with guns to everyone else. Just look at yourself now. You need to ask for pointers on how to become a pirate. What kind of a pirate does that?! A pirate can take a hauler or even a mining barge and use it for PvP, while you need to ask what ship to use.  You need a basic pointer? ... You will never become a pirate.
Man your usually pretty constructive with your comments. Did you forget to take your pills this morning? What a ****. |

Ciba Lexlulu
Stay Frosty.
16
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Posted - 2013.07.16 07:24:00 -
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Upde wrote:I have been in EvE since 2007. Thus far I have lead a failry sheltered life focusing on my little back end corner of hi-sec on the outer rim of lonetrek where i have been indy focused running a small 3 man mining and manufacturing operation supplying ammo and rigs to L4 mission runners in a 0.5 system.
I will cary on with this as it provides me with a steady ISK stream. However I have got a character that i have been training since 2007 that has got full gunnery skills (rails, blasters, projectiles, laser pew pew :) ) and can pilot Gal and Min frigates/cruisers and BCs. I really want to start engaing in PvP and as i know I can;t commit to a full nullsec sov based corp due to time I am looking into going the long john silver route.
I guess what i am looking for is some basic pointers in how to get off the ground. Some additional info: whle I hve lived predominantly in Hi-Sec I am not scared nor worried about getting blasted back to the stoneage. I am prepared toput hardware on the line and lose it. I have engaged in some PvP whilst mining when i got jumped by some frigs and then warped my muscle on grid that was parked up a few AU around the corner, however that was kinndergarten stuff and the few times I have been jumped i think they were sunday morning quarterbacks. !!!!
mainly I am looking for guidance on what ships are best to start off in when lloking to go into piracy. My aim is to go straight into losec as logisitically i haven't got the alpha needed for Hi-Sec suicide action. Also I don't care who I engage, as i stated i am prepared for the harsh learning, however I do want to at least start out on the right track rather than giving people free KB e-peen.
I would be open to joining a small piracy corp, but it would have to be on a casual basis as I am only on line for around 2 to 3 hours a day from aroun 10pm UK time
Come drop by our in game Public Channel, EVEOGANDA. We are small gang/solo pirate corp based out of lowsec. Most of us are very laid back.. You may have heard of the corp, it is started by the Fabulous Rixx Javixx, Pirate Extraordinaire.. and blogger.
Alternatively, take a look at Rixx's blog - you may get a good idea of who we are.. |

Froggy Storm
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
76
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Posted - 2013.07.16 07:57:00 -
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HA at hound. I'll give my usual blah blah 50frigs and you need to tell us what your looking for speeches.
With those out of the way piracy is a tough thing to just start. There are just too many things that group A calls piracy and that group B says isn't real piracy.
Best bet is find a lowsec or NPC nul group that either takes on new pilots directly or has a farm league. Then just shop till you find the one you like.
However, as an already well established Indy bear who is looking for occasional fights, a W-space might be perfect for you. Opens up unique fight mechanics, capitalizes on your existing industry skills, and has rules to (somewhat) control the size of the combat. |

Whitehound
1543
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Posted - 2013.07.16 08:07:00 -
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Donbe Scurred wrote:Whitehound wrote:Upde wrote:I guess what i am looking for is some basic pointers in how to get off the ground. You cannot teach an old dog new tricks. Either you have started EVE as a pirate or you have not. You will not be more than a miner with guns to everyone else. Just look at yourself now. You need to ask for pointers on how to become a pirate. What kind of a pirate does that?! A pirate can take a hauler or even a mining barge and use it for PvP, while you need to ask what ship to use.  You need a basic pointer? ... You will never become a pirate. Man, your usually pretty constructive with your comments. Did you forget to take your pills this morning? Bad hound! Go to your kennel  Maybe OP should ask at his government-sponsored "Pirate Support and Care Centre". No wait, that cannot be right...
First rule of Piracy: always take, never ask!! Yaarrrr... Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |

Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
7
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Posted - 2013.07.16 20:35:00 -
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FW might be a good alternative to pure pirate at the beginning. But if you are hellbent on just pure piracy go for it! The instalock thrasher or catalyst can be funny in FW lowsec space. |

Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1425
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Posted - 2013.07.16 20:55:00 -
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Don't listen to the haters... if you want the YARR life, rock it. :) Go forth and kill, pillage, and plumder, young man!! "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1117
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Posted - 2013.07.16 21:07:00 -
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I absolutely loathe when people draw correlations between RL piracy and Eve piracy... >_>
That said just get a good frig, with that toon you should have plenty of SP. Get a good t1 frig or a dessie, go into FW low and go nuts. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |

Whitehound
1546
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Posted - 2013.07.16 21:15:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:I absolutely loathe when people draw correlations between RL piracy and Eve piracy... >_>
That said just get a good frig, with that toon you should have plenty of SP. Get a good t1 frig or a dessie, go into FW low and go nuts. That is just PvP. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |

Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1118
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Posted - 2013.07.16 22:05:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:I absolutely loathe when people draw correlations between RL piracy and Eve piracy... >_>
That said just get a good frig, with that toon you should have plenty of SP. Get a good t1 frig or a dessie, go into FW low and go nuts. That is just PvP.
Piracy in eve is just pvp.
If you try to convince yourself otherwise you're delusional.
The closest you can get to actual piracy is gate camping (And that is mindbogglingly boring) BYDI recruitment closed-ish |

Whitehound
1549
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Posted - 2013.07.17 05:45:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Whitehound wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:I absolutely loathe when people draw correlations between RL piracy and Eve piracy... >_>
That said just get a good frig, with that toon you should have plenty of SP. Get a good t1 frig or a dessie, go into FW low and go nuts. That is just PvP. Piracy in eve is just pvp. If you try to convince yourself otherwise you're delusional. The closest you can get to actual piracy is gate camping (And that is mindbogglingly boring) Nonsense. You do not have a clue and you show it. Next thing you will say is that you loathe when people draw correlations between RL mining and EVE mining and then say mining in EVE is just PvP. It does not get any dumber. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |

Froggy Storm
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
76
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Posted - 2013.07.17 06:11:00 -
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Well from a purely philosophical standpoint, nearly ever action in eve is PvP of some form of another. To be completely honest, in terms of money gained and lost at least, station trade PvP is far more fierce than any other form.
That aside the this is Yarr that is Yarr is quite silly and pretentious. At the end of the day if you blow up someone's ship without sticking to some (obnoxious) e-bullshito code of conduct someone is going to say you're a bad person aka YAAR! |

Whitehound
1549
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Posted - 2013.07.17 10:58:00 -
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Froggy Storm wrote:Well from a purely philosophical standpoint, nearly ever action in eve is PvP of some form of another. To be completely honest, in terms of money gained and lost at least, station trade PvP is far more fierce than any other form.
That aside the this is Yarr that is Yarr is quite silly and pretentious. At the end of the day if you blow up someone's ship without sticking to some (obnoxious) e-bullshito code of conduct someone is going to say you're a bad person aka YAAR! Yes and no. I agree for most part, but not everything is "e-bullshito" as you call it. Some just seek attention and wrap it into a pirate costume for more effect. This is what I would call "e-bullshito", too.
However, others grieve the hell out of noobs, are being despised and hated for having a petty game play, but these players are actually closer to true piracy than anyone else in EVE.
Other game plays are closer to terrorism than to piracy. And role-playing white knights can easily find themselves labelled as a "religious, militant sect". Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |

Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1121
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Posted - 2013.07.17 14:09:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Froggy Storm wrote:Well from a purely philosophical standpoint, nearly ever action in eve is PvP of some form of another. To be completely honest, in terms of money gained and lost at least, station trade PvP is far more fierce than any other form.
That aside the this is Yarr that is Yarr is quite silly and pretentious. At the end of the day if you blow up someone's ship without sticking to some (obnoxious) e-bullshito code of conduct someone is going to say you're a bad person aka YAAR! Yes and no. I agree for most part, but not everything is "e-bullshito" as you call it. Some just seek attention and wrap it into a pirate costume for more effect. This is what I would call "e-bullshito", too. However, others grieve the hell out of noobs, are being despised and hated for having a petty game play, but these players are actually closer to true piracy than anyone else in EVE. Other game plays are closer to terrorism than to piracy. And role-playing white knights can easily find themselves labelled as a "religious, militant sect".
Sorry let me clarify
you're perfectly within your rights to be a silly bugger and roleplay yourself as a pirate screaming YARR at any oppertunity.
However, silly rp fluff aside, what most people call pirates in eve are just dedicated pvpers. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |

BJ McGreaves
Asteria Imperative Tribal Band
48
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Posted - 2013.07.17 15:40:00 -
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Thanatos Marathon wrote: The instalock thrasher or catalyst
What kind of fit is this exactly? |

Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1121
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Posted - 2013.07.17 17:03:00 -
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BJ McGreaves wrote:Thanatos Marathon wrote: The instalock thrasher or catalyst What kind of fit is this exactly?
Thrasher with arties and a sebo. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
973
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Posted - 2013.07.17 18:21:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Upde wrote:I guess what i am looking for is some basic pointers in how to get off the ground. You cannot teach an old dog new tricks. Either you have started EVE as a pirate or you have not. You will not be more than a miner with guns to everyone else. Just look at yourself now. You need to ask for pointers on how to become a pirate. What kind of a pirate does that?! A pirate can take a hauler or even a mining barge and use it for PvP, while you need to ask what ship to use.  You need a basic pointer? ... You will never become a pirate.
Jesus Whitehound !!
The heck dude, you're in bad mood today?? 
C'mon you're better than that ! *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
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Whitehound
1551
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Posted - 2013.07.17 18:36:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Jesus Whitehound !! The heck dude, you're in bad mood today??  C'mon you're better than that ! Welcome to my locker! Yaaarrr!! Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |

Phaade
Debitum Naturae WHY so Seri0Us
14
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Posted - 2013.07.17 22:23:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Upde wrote:I guess what i am looking for is some basic pointers in how to get off the ground. You cannot teach an old dog new tricks. Either you have started EVE as a pirate or you have not. You will not be more than a miner with guns to everyone else. Just look at yourself now. You need to ask for pointers on how to become a pirate. What kind of a pirate does that?! A pirate can take a hauler or even a mining barge and use it for PvP, while you need to ask what ship to use.  You need a basic pointer? ... You will never become a pirate.
LOL what a douche.
OP, grab some guns and go shoot people. |

Whitehound
1551
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Posted - 2013.07.17 22:44:00 -
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Phaade wrote:LOL what a douche. Hah, the irony. You call yourselves WHY so Seri0Us?! Seriously??
Well, at least now you have a reason to call me a douche.
Yaarrrr ... Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |

Upde
Upde Harris Industries
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Posted - 2013.07.17 22:48:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Whitehound wrote:Upde wrote:I guess what i am looking for is some basic pointers in how to get off the ground. You cannot teach an old dog new tricks. Either you have started EVE as a pirate or you have not. You will not be more than a miner with guns to everyone else. Just look at yourself now. You need to ask for pointers on how to become a pirate. What kind of a pirate does that?! A pirate can take a hauler or even a mining barge and use it for PvP, while you need to ask what ship to use.  You need a basic pointer? ... You will never become a pirate. Jesus Whitehound !! The heck dude, you're in bad mood today??  C'mon you're better than that !
Eve is a harsh place, I can handle whitehound being up in my grill :) |

Whitehound
1551
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Posted - 2013.07.18 02:00:00 -
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Upde wrote:Eve is a harsh place, I can handle whitehound being up in my grill :) There may be a chance for you to become a pirate after all, unlike them stinking fish heads. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |

Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1121
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Posted - 2013.07.18 04:09:00 -
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Ok is Whitehound an alt?
Because if he's not then why is he commenting on anything PVP as he doesn't seem to have done Any pvp o_o BYDI recruitment closed-ish |

Andracin
Sickology
159
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Posted - 2013.07.18 04:20:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Ok is Whitehound an alt?
Because if he's not then why is he commenting on anything PVP as he doesn't seem to have done Any pvp o_o
Because Garviel Have you not realized after reading a few posts that most of the people offering advise have no clue what they are doing. Sometimes I think they are confused about which MMO's forums they are attempting to troll on |

Froggy Storm
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
78
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Posted - 2013.07.18 08:48:00 -
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Troll being the active word.
As for mains or not it is often in peoples best interest to keep the activities of their characters obfuscated. Where people will often call one and other out for posting with an alt, it is still an important tactic used both for trolls and for players both.
Debate people for their words. Show where you feel they are wrong. But don't put of a straw man argument that since the posting name doesn't have a perfect isk efficiency they can't know what they are talking about.
Hell I am terrible at applying what I know (believe I know) about frigate fights. But that doesn't mean I should be completely discounted off the bat if my parrot says the right things ;) |

Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1125
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Posted - 2013.07.18 14:54:00 -
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Froggy Storm wrote:Troll being the active word.
As for mains or not it is often in peoples best interest to keep the activities of their characters obfuscated. Where people will often call one and other out for posting with an alt, it is still an important tactic used both for trolls and for players both.
Debate people for their words. Show where you feel they are wrong. But don't put of a straw man argument that since the posting name doesn't have a perfect isk efficiency they can't know what they are talking about.
Hell I am terrible at applying what I know (believe I know) about frigate fights. But that doesn't mean I should be completely discounted off the bat if my parrot says the right things ;)
If you don't have enough faith in your words to back them up with with your main you can be pretty safely ignored from any arguement..
Also isk efficiency is for twats, he has 2 kills and 10 losses, i would rather take pvp advice from someone with 10 kills and 500 losses. Especially seeing how most of those losses are shitfits.
In this case yes you should be ignored, because if you havn't done pvp you shouldn't be piping into a conversation about pvp since you clearly don't know **** about it. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |

Maximilian Akora
It's just business.
3
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:09:00 -
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Piracy has nothing to do with being in low sec, -10 sec status or gate camping. I CAN be but that generally is mostly is "just" PVP, nothing wrong with it but there's only a few true pirates out there. Piracy is about having your main motivation being profit, taking isk or loot from others and preferably at gun point be it in high sec, low or even 0.0/WH.
A pirate isn't in it for the fair or fun fight, he'll run at the first hint of possible trouble and takes advantage of the weak and uninformed. Some you can trust with ransoms, others you can't. |
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