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Craig Bennett2th
Bennett Corp
Epsilon Shimmy Alliance
102
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Posted - 2013.07.16 09:15:00 -
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This is a short video.
http://youtu.be/weoLyqXTnZg
I made this video so you don't make the same mistake I did. At this time, there is no skills to change a ship/mod calibration. This means, you may not be able to fit a rig even if you have this skills.
BTW I was mad when I made this. But I meant it when I said people will leave this game if CCP doesn't listen to their players. I've seen it with many companies (like Apple). (Keep in mind. I never said the company will go away. Apple and the many other companies that didn't/don't listen won't completely go away)
Hell is around every turn. It's your choice to go in it or not.
Please check out the Rookies in EVE video playlist.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLioOFeHwQV5yNk2vpz8wX9hihLVQEIKLt |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
488
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Posted - 2013.07.16 09:35:00 -
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That's why you fit the ship up in EFT first (you do explain that in your video, don't you?), make sure everything fits, then go in-game and start buying stuff. |
Kyra Quinn
We Are Really Scary
57
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Posted - 2013.07.16 09:38:00 -
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"there is no indication AT ALL, unless you do research and there's no reason to do research"
Even *I* knew almost from the start to rightclick>info everything, and has NOTHING to do with CCP not listening to their player base.
The adventures of a newbie: http://kyraquinn.wordpress.com/ |
Craig Bennett2th
Bennett Corp
Epsilon Shimmy Alliance
106
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Posted - 2013.07.16 09:43:00 -
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Kyra Quinn wrote:"there is no indication AT ALL, unless you do research and there's no reason to do research"
Even *I* knew almost from the start to rightclick>info everything, and has NOTHING to do with CCP not listening to their player base.
the ETF is a 3rd party tool.
The show info. Why would someone care/know what calibration means? I don't really deal with rigs. So, how would a noob (or a noob dealing with rigs) know what to look out for?
Anyways, if you search this problem you can find people asking to fix it every so often.
Hell is around every turn. It's your choice to go in it or not.
Please check out the Rookies in EVE video playlist.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLioOFeHwQV5yNk2vpz8wX9hihLVQEIKLt |
Kyra Quinn
We Are Really Scary
57
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Posted - 2013.07.16 09:50:00 -
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You rightclick > info on that rig, you check the stats and one of them is called calibration. So if you don't know what that means, I didn't, you either look it up on the wiki or you ask in help channel "Can someone please tell me what calibration is?", and then you know.
Just because I'm new doesn't mean I'm stupid or incapable of asking for help.
The adventures of a newbie: http://kyraquinn.wordpress.com/ |
Craig Bennett2th
Bennett Corp
Epsilon Shimmy Alliance
106
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Posted - 2013.07.16 09:54:00 -
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Kyra Quinn wrote:You rightclick > info on that rig, you check the stats and one of them is called calibration. So if you don't know what that means, I didn't, you either look it up on the wiki or you ask in help channel "Can someone please tell me what calibration is?", and then you know.
Just because I'm new doesn't mean I'm stupid or incapable of asking for help.
Why would you know if it's worth while to ask. Also I am PO because there is nothing in game telling anyone who just starts to pay attention to that.
Hell is around every turn. It's your choice to go in it or not.
Please check out the Rookies in EVE video playlist.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLioOFeHwQV5yNk2vpz8wX9hihLVQEIKLt |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
488
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Posted - 2013.07.16 10:01:00 -
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Craig Bennett2th wrote:the ETF is a 3rd party tool.
And?
It's one of the two tools I used to see recommended the most on rookie help (EveMon being the other)
Quote:The show info. Why would someone care/know what calibration means? I don't really deal with rigs. So, how would a noob (or a noob dealing with rigs) know what to look out for?
That could be argued for CPU, power grid, turret hardpoints or just about anything. You learn rigs the same way everyone else learnt rigs (and CPU, and PG), you read and ask if necessary.
A ship has 3 bars on it's fitting tab (show info -> fitting). CPU, Powergrid, Calibration. Hence one could conclude with the minimum of logic and reading that something called calibration has to with fitting.
A rig has, on its attribute tab (show info->attributes) a number called calibration cost. Hence one could conclude with a minimum of logic and reading that rigs cost some calibration to fit.
It's really not a stretch to then conclude that the sum of the calibration costs of rigs can't exceed the calibration of the ship, much like the sum of powergrid usage from modules cannot exceed the powergrid of the ship.
That's all in-game, right in front of anyone that bothers to do a smidgen of reading. |
Craig Bennett2th
Bennett Corp
Epsilon Shimmy Alliance
109
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Posted - 2013.07.16 10:06:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:Craig Bennett2th wrote:the ETF is a 3rd party tool. And? It's one of the two tools I used to see recommended the most on rookie help (EveMon being the other)
What I am PO about is there is nothing in game showing anyone this. More so. There is nothing in game saying there is no skills to fix this problem.
BTW I am still PO about it because it just happen. So I might have posted this to fast.
Hell is around every turn. It's your choice to go in it or not.
Please check out the Rookies in EVE video playlist.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLioOFeHwQV5yNk2vpz8wX9hihLVQEIKLt |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
488
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Posted - 2013.07.16 11:53:00 -
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Craig Bennett2th wrote:Elena Thiesant wrote:Craig Bennett2th wrote:the ETF is a 3rd party tool. And? It's one of the two tools I used to see recommended the most on rookie help (EveMon being the other) What I am PO about is there is nothing in game showing anyone this.
Nothing other than the calibration on the fitting property of every ship and the calibration cost of every single rig (and there's an in-game calculator too).
Quote:More so. There is nothing in game saying there is no skills to fix this problem.
Nothing other than the descriptions of the skills available to be read through? (you can see all skills in the market and get their info up even if the skills books aren't for sale) Or older players to ask?
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Dorrann
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2013.07.16 12:40:00 -
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TL:DR
"I didnt bother to look at what I was buying, made a mistake and rather than accepting that the mistake was mine, I started looking for a way to blame someone else"
I think that about covers most of it.
This is typical Litigation Culture. Suffered an injury ? Want to try to blame someone else ? Call now ! |
Threndir
Knights of the Empire
16
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Posted - 2013.07.16 14:26:00 -
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I can tell you, if you rage about this stuff there is a lot to come... Imagine how your jump freighter will die because you had no idea to plan jump routes with an out of game tool and you land in hostile space. Imagine how furious you get when you buy that module to increase the amount of drones you can field, only to find out it only works on carriers. Imagine you make a nice PI network only to find out some corporation is charging extremely high taxes for exporting the stuff.
EVE does not hold your hand. This mistake is all on you. Understand that a lot of eve players LIKE the way it is. There is no message when buying t2 rigs **please notice these need more calibration** and if you ask me there shouldn't be any. You are supposed to know, supposed to research, supposed to find out. Eve is cold, harsh and difficult. And as your own saying goes: hell is around every corner. Better get used to it!
Also, your current video has the title: "EVE Online Rookie Guide 20 don't make this mistake with rigs" how would that help anyone? Only someone who watches all your videos is going to view it (and who does that really?), the title itself makes no sense. Someone who searches the net about "how do rigs and calibration work?" will not get your video as a result. It's the same as the "a question?" or "please help" topic titles. They only work when the topic is *hot*, as in, on the first page of the forums. After that it's never been looked at. Now I think about it.. it's probably for the best ;) |
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
72
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Posted - 2013.07.16 15:06:00 -
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Craig Bennett2th wrote:BTW I was mad when I made this. You made 19 videos and yet never learned about calibration cost and/or using a 3rd party fitting tool? |
Shane Saken
Black Rise Tactical Solutions
4
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Posted - 2013.07.16 15:33:00 -
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Threndir wrote:I can tell you, if you rage about this stuff there is a lot to come... Imagine how your jump freighter will die because you had no idea to plan jump routes with an out of game tool and you land in hostile space. Imagine how furious you get when you buy that module to increase the amount of drones you can field, only to find out it only works on carriers. Imagine you make a nice PI network only to find out some corporation is charging extremely high taxes for exporting the stuff.
EVE does not hold your hand. This mistake is all on you. Understand that a lot of eve players LIKE the way it is. There is no message when buying t2 rigs **please notice these need more calibration** and if you ask me there shouldn't be any. You are supposed to know, supposed to research, supposed to find out. Eve is cold, harsh and difficult. And as your own saying goes: hell is around every corner. Better get used to it!
Also, your current video has the title: "EVE Online Rookie Guide 20 don't make this mistake with rigs" how would that help anyone? Only someone who watches all your videos is going to view it (and who does that really?), the title itself makes no sense. Someone who searches the net about "how do rigs and calibration work?" will not get your video as a result. It's the same as the "a question?" or "please help" topic titles. They only work when the topic is *hot*, as in, on the first page of the forums. After that it's never been looked at. Now I think about it.. it's probably for the best ;)
YES YES YES!!!! i am a newb, not even at a mil SP and i already love this game for this exact reason. Ive had my ass bite a few times already by rushing on purchases and not doing the right investigating on if a fit will work and how well. If you have an issue with that, better start clenching your rear cause its gonna get worse.......
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Dorrann
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2013.07.16 15:45:00 -
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Instead of getting up-tight and posting videos, slow down and look into what youre buying.
If you know what youre doing, go full-steam ahead. If your trying something new, take the time to check the details first.
Posting Rage Posts will get you flamed and trolled |
Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
108
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Posted - 2013.07.16 16:01:00 -
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OP has a habit of complaining too much..
Reopen the EVE gate so we can invade Serenity. Goons can go first. |
Kyseth
Touring New Eden
23
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Posted - 2013.07.16 21:54:00 -
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Dorrann wrote:TL:DR
"I didnt bother to look at what I was buying, made a mistake and rather than accepting that the mistake was mine, I started looking for a way to blame someone else"
I think that about covers most of it.
This is typical Litigation Culture. Suffered an injury ? Want to try to blame someone else ? Call now !
I am offended at how Dorrann highlighted my need to not learn from my mistakes and blame others for my pain and for that Dorrann will be hearing from my attorney. I expect to be awarded the maximum amount for your implied slander, sir! |
Craig Bennett2th
Bennett Corp
Epsilon Shimmy Alliance
112
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Posted - 2013.07.16 22:15:00 -
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Thomas Builder wrote:Craig Bennett2th wrote:BTW I was mad when I made this. You made 19 videos and yet never learned about calibration cost and/or using a 3rd party fitting tool?
I knew about 3rd party fitting tools. I don't like using EVE Mon, EFT, etc. I will go out of my way to tell others to use it. But, it's kinda useless for me.
Dorrann wrote:Instead of getting up-tight and posting videos, slow down and look into what youre buying.
If you know what youre doing, go full-steam ahead. If your trying something new, take the time to check the details first.
Posting Rage Posts will get you flamed and trolled
One of the reasons why I posted this video is to show newer players what not to do. In fact, I found in RL knowing others mistakes can help you out more. Obviously a newer player can learn from this critical mistake.
The trolls come out no matter what. They tend to say something, then just repeat what the last person said.
Hell is around every turn. It's your choice to go in it or not.
Please check out the Rookies in EVE video playlist.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLioOFeHwQV5yNk2vpz8wX9hihLVQEIKLt |
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
74
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Posted - 2013.07.16 23:06:00 -
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Craig Bennett2th wrote:I knew about 3rd party fitting tools. I don't like using EVE Mon, EFT, etc. I will go out of my way to tell others to use it. But, it's kinda useless for me. Oh I see, preventing you from getting so mad that you post a rage video on YouTube and link it here is "kinda useless for you". Noted. (For the new players: EFT would have told him right away that he couldn't fit all the rigs you wanted.)
Craig Bennett2th wrote:The trolls come out no matter what. They tend to say something, then just repeat what the last person said. I don't know if you have noticed, but your self-promoting ads about your video "guides" are the only threads devolving into flames in the New Citizens forum. Maybe, just maybe, you should take a good look at what (and whom) all these threads have in common to identify the troll? |
Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
109
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Posted - 2013.07.16 23:54:00 -
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Nvm
Reopen the EVE gate so we can invade Serenity. Goons can go first. |
Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
332
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Posted - 2013.07.17 00:08:00 -
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This just in, EVE is hard.
Also OP, the box that popped up with the warning, The only way to remove this rig is by destroying it. didn't make you think twice about what you were doing and make you a bit more curious about those mysterious rig things?
You claim to want to help people learn things about the game but yet it sounds like your unwilling to learn about the game yourself... |
Jeffrey Asher
Bunne
4
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Posted - 2013.07.17 00:52:00 -
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As new player I keep repeating the same mistakes and watching these videos, thinking they are going to give me some helpful advice in some way. I have already figured out more than OP tells me buy doing what you guys have suggested - EFT, showing info and using the calculator. That in-game calculator is an inspired decision by CCP, nice bit of work guys.
As for your issue in this post OP, would you like some cheese with that whine? |
Craig Bennett2th
Bennett Corp
Epsilon Shimmy Alliance
112
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Posted - 2013.07.17 00:56:00 -
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Klymer wrote:This just in, EVE is hard.
Also OP, the box that popped up with the warning, The only way to remove this rig is by destroying it. didn't make you think twice about what you were doing and make you a bit more curious about those mysterious rig things?
You claim to want to help people learn things about the game but yet it sounds like your unwilling to learn about the game yourself...
The destroying it wasn't the problem. A lot of people got this, but you might of overlooked it. The problem was within the calibration. It's one of (if not the only) thing in the game that you can't skill up in. What really made me mad was CCP wasn't paying attention to it's players. I've listed this problem so they can add 1 more to the list of people that wants this to change.
Like below on this. (I even linked some older post from 2006 and 9 of people asking about this. There is even people on that post that agrees with me.)
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3351422#post3351422
The entire reason why I posted here was to let newer players see my mistake and learn from it.
BTW, this is the last post I am making in this thread. I don't mind the trolls (in fact they keep bumping up this every time they post something on here), but I can already see them coming out.
O and for those of you who says I know more than the OP. And? At least I am brave enough to show and admit my mistakes. While I haven't seen any other guide showing you their mistakes they made so you can learn from them.
Hell is around every turn. It's your choice to go in it or not.
Please check out the Rookies in EVE video playlist.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLioOFeHwQV5yNk2vpz8wX9hihLVQEIKLt |
Jeffrey Asher
Bunne
5
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Posted - 2013.07.17 01:16:00 -
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Okay, props to you for trying to warn others, that's not a bad thing.
Whining about a mistake you made and then trying to blame it on the game, saying it is something the developers need to fix, is. The bits where I can actually understand you in the video, and I believe I have seen MANY posts advising you in previous threads to clear that up if you want people to watch them, all you are doing is whinging that it's CCPs fault that you fitted a rig that you did not research first. I had tried to watch some of your videos earlier on when I was a lot newer, and I tended to quit halfway through because of the sound quality and no script, which is sad, they could have been really great.
The point people are trying to make is it's your fault every time you do/buy anything in this game without researching it first, don't try to blame the game. Why do we have to be able to skill up for calibration? The fact that you can't do this doesn't mean the game is broken. It's just how the game is.
That rigs break when you remove them only made me do A LOT more research before I started fitting them to ships, not less. |
Kalanaja
Dog Nation United
The East India Co.
47
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Posted - 2013.07.17 04:52:00 -
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There are very good reasons why calibration is set at the level it is. For one, rigs give a pretty big boost in some cases to a ships abilities. Making the calibration higher means it becomes a cinch to just overly tank a ship or slap lots of damage ability on it. With it limited that means the pilot has to make an actual conscious decision on what rigs they will be fitting. |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
268
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Posted - 2013.07.17 06:13:00 -
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Craig Bennett2th wrote:What I am PO about is there is nothing in game showing anyone this.
Of course there is.
You click 'show info' on your ship to find its calibration limit and you click 'show info' on the rig to find its calibration cost.
You must know that there's a fitting cost/limit to everything you put on your ship - if you don't, how the **** do you think you're qualified to make video guides for newbies?
I've been playing EVE for just over 18 months and I was reading these forums for 6 months before joining, but this is the first time I've seen anyone complain about rig calibration.
Ffs learn the game before trying to tell others how to play it. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1567
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Posted - 2013.07.17 08:38:00 -
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Craig Bennett2th wrote:This means, you may not be able to fit a rig even if you have this skills.
And this is why RAEC sold all their rookie frigates with rigs pre-installed, so that the rookies didn't have to learn how to install themselves & could focus on their actual combat skills instead.
You do know that other people can install rigs for you even if you have zero rigging skills, right?
Ammatar - Matari by blood, Ammarian by the Grace of God. |
Tsukino Stareine
The Red Circle Inc.
493
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Posted - 2013.07.17 09:49:00 -
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Thank you for posting the first video out of your terrible series that might actually help someone. |
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ISD Cura Ursus
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
172
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Posted - 2013.07.17 16:20:00 -
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Topic locked.
Ranting, trolling, etc are not allowed.
I decided to lock this thread rather than let it spiral out of control.
OP, if you have a suggestion as how to make the game better, please go to the Features and Ideas Discussion forum and make a suggestion.
ISD Cura Ursus
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department |
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