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Temba Ronin Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2011.10.25 17:53:00 - [1] - Quote Ship spinning is NOT a group activity in the MMOG EVE. But when this solo pleasure was removed the wails of numerous individual pilots finally forced CCP to recalibrate their thinking. So how is it a bad thing for other solo pleasures in EVE to be spoken of openly? Are the Captains Quarters open to other pilots you invite in? Nope solo pleasure. What about those NEX purchased boots? Anyone going to see them in your headshot portrait? Nope solo pleasure. So when CCP establishes a solo pleasure it is good, but when players, aka the people who pay the bills for CCP, find solo pleasures where none were intended it's bad. I would like to see the different styles of game play openly embraced by CCP and not seemingly disregarded. If solo players are a small fraction of the CCP revenue stream do they really want to reduce it even by a small amount? Most business plans seek to grow and cultivate paying customers when doing so does not force them to give up their primary mission/ goals. Working to accommodate solo play without sacrificing the group dynamic of EVE is not impossible or even that hard. I have accounts that cover the spectrum from alliance to corp down to solo each has a different return for my investment of time and money, I only hope that CCP appreciates all styles of game play even when it's not happening exactly as they planned or projected.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 205	Posted - 2011.10.27 01:55:00 - [2] - Quote The main issues with ship spinning being removed is not that people only missed being able to spin their ships around. The functionality that was missing was the ability to drag a ship out of the "Ships" window into the hangar to activate that ship, the ability to double-click in the hangar view to open the cargo bay, and the ability to right-click in the hangar view to open the drone bay, corporate hangars, etc. There was functionality there which was taken away in CQ or "The Door" views of the station interior. The issue was not the removal of a "solo play" environment, it was about the removal of functionality that players had enjoyed for years.
Temba Ronin Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2011.10.27 13:50:00 - [3] - Quote Mara most of the functionality that you speak of was never removed. All those functions were still available by clicking on the ship icon in the ships menu as they remain today available by doing the same. Double clicking the ship icon replaced dragging it to the hangar to activate, arguably easier by the way. Go ahead and make yourself feel better by saying things that are completely baseless in facts known to every competent player of EVE, if blatant intellectual dishonesty works for you, however this thread is about the fact that unintended solo play brings value to many EVE paying subscribers and CCP had to recalibrate their usual heavy handed disregard for a solo pleasure they removed. I am hopeful that CCP is a little better as an organization having learned a lesson that customer feedback can add value to their product . I suspect if the complaints raised by most players had been as specious as the inaccurate after the fact rationalization you put forth a simple statement from CCP telling people all that functionality was still in the game ( because we all had to use it until the hangar was restored) would have been the only result and we would all still be looking at the door. People missed ship spinning, plain and simple. That is not to say this was the only complaint voiced by EVE subscribers but it was the one most frequently articulated by a significant margin in the chats i was a participant of in all of my several accounts. The other gripe most frequently heard were "i undocked in the wrong ship", but i heard that nearly as often as i heard and still hear players saying they forgot their drones when warping out of a belt, or forgot to load their cargo when going on a distribution mission. I never undocked in the wrong ship because i pay attention an i do not resist change when it is presented just because i am used to doing things a certain way.
De'Veldrin Norse'Storm Battle Group Intrepid Crossing 48	Posted - 2011.10.27 13:54:00 - [4] - Quote tl;dr? I don't even get the point of this long winded wall of text, much less what you're proposing to change (i.e. why said lwwot is in the assembly hall). Unsub or don't.-á I don't care what your reasons are, and neither does anyone else.-á Just click the button and go away - or don't.
Temba Ronin Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2011.10.27 14:04:00 - [5] - Quote De'Veldrin wrote: tl;dr? I don't even get the point of this long winded wall of text, much less what you're proposing to change (i.e. why said lwwot is in the assembly hall). okay i'll use smaller words and shorter sentences for your skill level ..... CCP listens to players good ...... CCP ignores players bad ..... solo players pay also.... CCP should be happy..... CCP make all paying players happy.... the end
Drake Draconis Shadow Cadre Shadow Confederation 78	Posted - 2011.10.27 14:08:00 - [6] - Quote Is this one of those rants over nothing again? Because I fail to see what the hell hes talking about...let alone what hes aiming at. Small words my @$$. Stop whining. If you got a major issue to get at....then get to the bloody point or please step off.
De'Veldrin Norse'Storm Battle Group Intrepid Crossing 49	Posted - 2011.10.27 14:15:00 - [7] - Quote Temba Ronin wrote: De'Veldrin wrote: tl;dr? I don't even get the point of this long winded wall of text, much less what you're proposing to change (i.e. why said lwwot is in the assembly hall). okay i'll use smaller words and shorter sentences for your skill level ..... CCP listens to players good ...... CCP ignores players bad ..... solo players pay also.... CCP should be happy..... CCP make all paying players happy.... the end You actually made your point less clear with that. Let me try using a sentence structure you'll understand. WTF ARE YOU WHINGING ON ABOUT? KTHXBAI! Unsub or don't.-á I don't care what your reasons are, and neither does anyone else.-á Just click the button and go away - or don't.
Temba Ronin Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2011.10.27 14:20:00 - [8] - Quote De'Veldrin wrote: Temba Ronin wrote: De'Veldrin wrote: tl;dr? I don't even get the point of this long winded wall of text, much less what you're proposing to change (i.e. why said lwwot is in the assembly hall). okay i'll use smaller words and shorter sentences for your skill level ..... CCP listens to players good ...... CCP ignores players bad ..... solo players pay also.... CCP should be happy..... CCP make all paying players happy.... the end You actually made your point less clear with that. Let me try using a sentence structure you'll understand. WTF ARE YOU WHINGING ON ABOUT? KTHXBAI! A mind is a terrible thing to waste ...... some people Cant Understand Normal Thinking
Temba Ronin Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2011.10.27 14:22:00 - [9] - Quote Drake Draconis wrote: Is this one of those rants over nothing again? Because I fail to see what the hell hes talking about...let alone what hes aiming at. Small words my @$$. Stop whining. If you got a major issue to get at....then get to the bloody point or please step off. So because i did not cater to your short attention span I am the one whining? lol
Drake Draconis Shadow Cadre Shadow Confederation 78	Posted - 2011.10.27 17:46:00 - [10] - Quote Temba Ronin wrote: Drake Draconis wrote: Is this one of those rants over nothing again? Because I fail to see what the hell hes talking about...let alone what hes aiming at. Small words my @$$. Stop whining. If you got a major issue to get at....then get to the bloody point or please step off. So because i did not cater to your short attention span I am the one whining? lol That's all you have to say? Your a terrible troll. Please...get to the point...or go away...becasue this is a very poor whine thread.
Baaldor Black Sail Anarchists 18	Posted - 2011.10.27 19:13:00 - [11] - Quote Temba Ronin wrote: Drake Draconis wrote: Is this one of those rants over nothing again? Because I fail to see what the hell hes talking about...let alone what hes aiming at. Small words my @$$. Stop whining. If you got a major issue to get at....then get to the bloody point or please step off. So because i did not cater to your short attention span I am the one whining? lol Attention span aside, I do believe what is being asked, is just get to the point, and quit rambling, it muddles the point you are trying to make. Kind of like this. Point: Quote: The net result of few faggots whining, CCP gave back a SOLO activity, ship spinning Why won't CCP allow players that would prefer to engage in other SOLO activities, like running missions or mining, receive the same treatment. I would prefer not to have my game play impacted or interfered with by the actions of the community as a whole. Thus I pay my money too, I am entitled to such consideration. Is this what you are asking?
Solo Player 18	Posted - 2011.10.27 19:41:00 - [12] - Quote I believe my name was uttered in this thread repeatedly. +1 out of principle
Ogopogo Mu Snickers Inc 28	Posted - 2011.10.27 20:36:00 - [13] - Quote Temba Ronin wrote: So how is it a bad thing for other solo pleasures in EVE to be spoken of openly? Are the Captains Quarters open to other pilots you invite in? Nope solo pleasure. I endorse all forms of solo pleasure in the captain's quarters and look forward to reading many stories about them.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 213	Posted - 2011.10.27 21:42:00 - [14] - Quote Temba Ronin wrote: Mara most of the functionality that you speak of was never removed. The functionality that was removed, in point form for people reading with their eyes closed: The ability to double-click the background of the station environment to open the ship's cargo bay The ability to make a ship active by simply dragging it out into the background of the station environment The ability to access the ship's special features by right-clicking on the background of the station environment Temba Ronin wrote: All those functions were still available by clicking on the ship icon in the ships menu as they remain today available by doing the same. Double clicking the ship icon replaced dragging it to the hangar to activate, arguably easier by the way. No, the functions were not available when they were removed. Here's an experiment for you: fill your hangar with a hundred ships and three piles of ammo - one small, one medium, one large. Activate your frigate. Now head out and shoot stuff in your frigate. Head back to station and load your frigate with ammo. If you are lucky, your frigate will be at the beginning or the end of the list of ships in the hangar. Otherwise the easiest way to access the cargo bay of your frigate is to double-click on the background. Here's another experiment for you: get into combat and have your ship blown up. You are excited. You can simulate the level of excitement and its impact on your physiology by injecting a few mL of adrenaline and caffeine. Are your hands shaking now? Good. You've been podded, but you want to get those bastards who podded you! So head into the hangar and try Right-clicking the ship you want to fly and picking "Make Active". Hrm, having trouble? Did you accidentally hit "repackage" or "trash item" instead? Wouldn't it be much faster to simply drag that ship out onto the background? Yes, in fact for people who don't have shaky hands, it's still faster: rather than having to use fine motor skills you're only using coarse motor skills, and on top of that you don't have to right click, then click GÇö just click and drag GÇö so there is one less action to be performed. Temba Ronin wrote: Go ahead and make yourself feel better by saying things that are completely baseless in facts known to every competent player of EVE, if blatant intellectual dishonesty works for you You could avail yourself of the trove of facts known to the competent players of EVE, before making statements about how baseless my arguments are. Your intellectual self-deceit is only equalled by your onanistic argument.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 213	Posted - 2011.10.27 21:46:00 - [15] - Quote Temba Ronin wrote: I have accounts that cover the spectrum from alliance to corp down to solo each has a different return for my investment of time and money, I only hope that CCP appreciates all styles of game play even when it's not happening exactly as they planned or projected. Just for the sake of argument, what forms of solo play are CCP removing from your repertoire?
Solo Player 18	Posted - 2011.10.27 22:42:00 - [16] - Quote Mara Rinn wrote: Just for the sake of argument, what forms of solo play are CCP removing from your repertoire? Were the OP drawn towards civilised discussion, I believe he would answer that, having pandered to the apparent demands of my ilk in one instance (ship spinning being a opportunity to solo play, it seems), CCP should consequently reconsider their stated disregard for solo players and introduce further (exclusive) features for playing solo. While I neither share to OP's interpretation on CCP's motivations nor his tone, I certainly sympathise with the general direction of his demands.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 217	Posted - 2011.10.28 09:34:00 - [17] - Quote Solo Player wrote: Were the OP drawn towards civilised discussion, I believe he would answer that, having pandered to the apparent demands of my ilk in one instance (ship spinning being a opportunity to solo play, it seems), CCP should consequently reconsider their stated disregard for solo players and introduce further (exclusive) features for playing solo. Solo play is available in many forms, as examples: Exploration Mining Mission Running BPO research, copying Invention Solo PvP (well, solo roaming) The possibilities are limited only by your imagination. If you want solo play a la Bejewelled Blitz, there's always Facebook or Steam.
Tallian Saotome Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension 183	Posted - 2011.10.28 10:28:00 - [18] - Quote Guys guys guys o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/`
Solo Player 20	Posted - 2011.10.28 15:42:00 - [19] - Quote Mara Rinn wrote: Exploration Mining Mission Running BPO research, copying Invention Solo PvP (well, solo roaming) Except for exploration and solo PVP (which I'm not entirely sure is something you can make a career of), which of those offers, you know, excitement? You did forget trading, though, which I have found quite interesting. Quote: The possibilities are limited only by your imagination. Aren't they always. I can just sit in station and IMAGINE all the things I'd like to do! ;) Quote: If you want solo play a la Bejewelled Blitz, there's always Facebook or Steam. I suggest you try the multiplayer version of that, seeing that you have intimnate knowledge of both f'book AND these games... Tallian Saotome wrote: Guys guys guys Sorry.
Temba Ronin Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2011.10.29 03:13:00 - [20] - Quote Mara i am so sorry all that fine motor skill clicking is difficult for you ....... i understand everyone is not gifted with good hand eye coordination, thank you for reminding me to be more considerate of those who are not as lucky as i am. I do not get shaky jittery hands in a game lol. tbh i did not consider that fact hats off to you for playing despite this serious handicap and to CCP for making the game more playable for the nervous types amongst us, after all your type pay your subscription just like the rest of us. So having a crowd of other players to make you feel safer ingame works quite well with the lemming err cooperative scenarios CCP dictates. No individuality unless CCP has sanctioned it is your motto i presume. PS don't be so afraid it's a game.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 224	Posted - 2011.10.29 03:22:00 - [21] - Quote Temba Ronin wrote: Mara i am so sorry all that fine motor skill clicking is difficult for you ....... i understand everyone is not gifted with good hand eye coordination, thank you for reminding me to be more considerate of those who are not as lucky as i am. I do not get shaky jittery hands in a game lol. tbh i did not consider that fact hats off to you for playing despite this serious handicap and to CCP for making the game more playable for the nervous types amongst us, after all your type pay your subscription just like the rest of us. So having a crowd of other players to make you feel safer ingame works quite well with the lemming err cooperative scenarios CCP dictates. No individuality unless CCP has sanctioned it is your motto i presume. PS don't be so afraid it's a game. What forms of solo play have CCP removed from your repertoire? Solo Player wrote: Except for exploration and solo PVP (which I'm not entirely sure is something you can make a career of), which of those offers, you know, excitement? Are you suggesting that the other options are only boring when done solo?
Temba Ronin Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2011.10.29 03:33:00 - [22] - Quote Your second attempt at creating a straw man to bash will not work Mara. I never said CCP removed any forms of solo play from my repertoire, I just clearly stated that your arguments as written in this thread were incorrect in saying CCP had removed functionality when the ship icons replaced the hangar. you can have your own opinion but we all must share the same facts.
Drake Draconis Shadow Cadre Shadow Confederation 83	Posted - 2011.10.29 03:38:00 - [23] - Quote How about you tell us what the hell it is your after before you start pushing "strawman counter arguments" at people. Because its quite obvious your just ranting to be ranting here...and no one has any idea what your getting at. And I do mean quite literally... no one.
Temba Ronin Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2011.10.29 03:50:00 - [24] - Quote Drake Draconis wrote: How about you tell us what the hell it is your after before you start pushing "strawman counter arguments" at people. Because its quite obvious your just ranting to be ranting here...and no one has any idea what your getting at. And I do mean quite literally... no one. Drake if you do not understand what i am talking about i can make two suggestions .... #1 reread the original post slowly and get your dictionary so you can learn the definitions of any words you don't know ..... being ignorant is nothing to be ashamed of ..... however it is a demerit to your publicly perceived intellectual capacity to berate someone because you lack the capacity to grasp a statement above your station. ...... #2 ask an adult in your home to read it an explain it to you.
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 10	Posted - 2011.10.29 04:00:00 - [25] - Quote Oh good grief. The simple fact is, functionality that people were used to was removed. Whether or not there were alternate methods does not matter. Functionality was removed. And there are a good number of players who have trouble with the right click menus, but play anyway. Don't downplay their difficulties.
Temba Ronin Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2011.10.29 04:07:00 - [26] - Quote I would not dream of arguing with someone so honest as to be a member of Spazz corp. Your self identification trumps any witty reply i could think of you win!
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 10	Posted - 2011.10.29 04:10:00 - [27] - Quote Temba Ronin wrote: I would not dream of arguing with someone so honest as to be a member of Spazz corp. Your self identification trumps any witty reply i could think of you win! What does the corp have a history I don't know of. I mean sure my CEO is a little odd, but that makes those boring days waiting for someone to die outside Jita entertaining,
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 10	Posted - 2011.10.29 04:18:00 - [28] - Quote Now onto your original post. My view on the whole thing was a lot of people identified with their ship more than their... person. So when the ship was removed it was like they lost their character. Another issue for some was the fail immersion (leaving the ship just to load ammo). CCP claimed (a long time ago, in this galaxy) EVE to be a persistent universe, and that universe falls apart when things like that happen (for some players). As for completely abandoning Incarna (temporarily maybe), I didn't ask for that. Some did, others asked for a reprioritizing. Well, CCP reprioritized, and we got to where we are. If this is in any relation to your OP, good. If not... bummer.
Temba Ronin Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2011.10.29 04:29:00 - [29] - Quote Corina your statement has everything to do with my original post. CCP completely missed that so many people identified more with their ship then their character. Seemingly as long as we could still undock and get shot at by other ships CCP thought everything was good. But players liked ship spinning. Players liked viewing their ships from every angle an it had nothing at all to do with group play so CCP did not consider the impact because they discount solo play, seemingly. I just want them to consider that solo pleasures are good in EVE not bad. Some seem to think i should be podded for saying that .... let em try!
Solo Player 34	Posted - 2011.10.29 16:15:00 - [30] - Quote Fine motor skills? Straw men? people identifying with ships? WTF? Maybe I'm too tired or something, but, reading page 2 of this thread several times, I simply have no idea what you're on about. Are you sure you do? I can comment on this, however: Mara Rinn wrote: Solo Player wrote: Except for exploration and solo PVP (which I'm not entirely sure is something you can make a career of), which of those offers, you know, excitement? Are you suggesting that the other options are only boring when done solo? In one word: yes! Boredom is a constant companion for a solo player in EVE, and while I cope rather well with that, many others don't or didn't. Oh, sure, there is excitement, too, from time to time, but it's a trickle, not exactly a torrent. I'm in it mostly for the sheer promise that EVE holds, and have been since 2004. Paying for my account. Updating my trade orders and training queue. Hanging out in the noob corp channel offering advice. Trying out a new scheme to profit on the markets. Taking out a ship for a ride. It is mostly boring - don't try to tell me otherwise! ;)

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