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Q 5 Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 121	Posted - 2013.07.17 16:46:00 - [1] - Quote After the verdict of this trial soooo many people are waffling on many forums and news sites.... Here's the bottom line, doesn't matter what I say the verdict was made by jurors selected under the rules by the court and laws And even though any Tom, Tick and Harriet can be chosen "even idiots" that is the beauty of our system and the flaw. As we say here in EVE working as intended.
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 22342	Posted - 2013.07.17 16:54:00 - [2] - Quote Q 5 wrote: After the verdict of this trial soooo many people are waffling on many forums and news sites.... Here's the bottom line, doesn't matter what I say the verdict was made by jurors selected under the rules by the court and laws And even though any Tom, Tick and Harriet can be chosen "even idiots" that is the beauty of our system and the flaw. As we say here in EVE working as intended. "waffling" means undecided or changing ones opinion, so essentially your post is not making any sense at all. Everyone seems solidly on one side or another at least to me, or did I miss something ?
Q 5 Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 121	Posted - 2013.07.17 17:08:00 - [3] - Quote If you read and hear enough you'll understand... Some claiming racism. Congressman saying the laws on stand your ground are superfluous and that without this law things would have played out differently. Others trying to say it's about gun laws. Many down the middle here but don't like "this" part. Some saying everything doesn't matter cause a life was taken so he should go to jail no matter what. In other words everyones throwing opinions out there but as the way the system works....see above.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 14651	Posted - 2013.07.17 17:10:00 - [4] - Quote I felt a great disturbance on the interwebs.... Like a million facebook users suddenly got their law degrees but then knew nothing "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?-á http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny
Tumahub Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 3169	Posted - 2013.07.17 17:15:00 - [5] - Quote I don't get the "jury are idiots," narrative at all. They were presented with the factual evidence and two competing narratives of the events. They came to the conclusion that the evidence of Z's injuries, the lack of injuries on Martin, and the location of the fight to more closely corroborate the claim that Z was attacked and beaten before he shot Martin in self-defense. So what on earth are you talking about OP?
Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 24792	Posted - 2013.07.17 17:23:00 - [6] - Quote Im on the "jury trial and innocent till proven guilty" side of things. Reasonable doublt was likely the best option based on my understanding, but then I wasn't in the jury nor should my or anyones opinion take any weight inside the court room. That is the Law and Justice system working as intended. Still leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but of you have an issue with the outcome change the law, not go after the ma ln declared not guilty by the system that is a hallmark of freedom : a fair trial. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!
Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic 22372	Posted - 2013.07.17 17:46:00 - [7] - Quote Q 5 wrote: If you read and hear enough you'll understand... Some claiming racism. Congressman saying the laws on stand your ground are superfluous and that without this law things would have played out differently. Others trying to say it's about gun laws. Many down the middle here but don't like "this" part. Some saying everything doesn't matter cause a life was taken so he should go to jail no matter what. In other words everyones throwing opinions out there but as the way the system works....see above. Alright then..........what is the One True Answer then ? (Hint: there isn't one in this case).
Tumahub Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 3185	Posted - 2013.07.17 17:51:00 - [8] - Quote I assume he believes the true answer is trial by Facebook and execution by peers of the deceased. That seems to be exactly what most of the lynch-mob wants.
Maximillian German Spectres Syndicate 18	Posted - 2013.07.17 18:34:00 - [9] - Quote And now the average American has forgotten about the NSA in their rush to argue about a closed case. Well played government, well played.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 14675	Posted - 2013.07.17 18:50:00 - [10] - Quote Probably didn't help the prosecution any that the witnesses backed up the Defense's story "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?-á http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny

Maximillian German Spectres Syndicate 19	Posted - 2013.07.17 18:56:00 - [11] - Quote Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: Probably didn't help the prosecution any that the witnesses backed up the Defense's story psh, a small detail. Not enough to keep people from making fools of themselves in the street.
Tumahub Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 3204	Posted - 2013.07.17 18:59:00 - [12] - Quote Maximillian German wrote: psh, a small detail. Not enough to keep people from making fools of themselves in the street. I wish that's all they were doing. Last I read there have been a lot of innocent latino men beaten and robbed. Sharpton and his belligerent Ilk are fanning the flames of their own personal race-war. Charles Manson would be proud.
Slade Trillgon Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 708	Posted - 2013.07.17 20:30:00 - [13] - Quote Tumahub wrote: Maximillian German wrote: psh, a small detail. Not enough to keep people from making fools of themselves in the street. I wish that's all they were doing. Last I read there have been a lot of innocent latino men beaten and robbed. Sharpton and his belligerent Ilk are fanning the flames of their own personal race-war. Charles Manson would be proud. The saddest part is that the ethnicity war that is being flamed is not the one Sharpton really wants. He will take what he can get I guess
Ten Ton Testes Aerodyne Collective. WHY so Seri0Us 1	Posted - 2013.07.17 21:16:00 - [14] - Quote All this case taught me about the American judicial system is that if you're shooting someone in self-defence, make sure you kill them so they can't tell their side of the story, because even with diabolical lawyers(Which his were), you will still likely walk.
Tumahub Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 3207	Posted - 2013.07.17 22:21:00 - [15] - Quote I disagree. If Martin had survived, he'd be facing felony assault charges and the media never would have even got wind of this.
stoicfaux 2955	Posted - 2013.07.18 00:12:00 - [16] - Quote Personally, I'm more concerned that the State Prosecutor withheld evidence from the defense, and then fired the IT Director (now a whistleblower) for having notified the defense. (Not that the pictures were relevant to the trial.)
Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 24843	Posted - 2013.07.18 00:34:00 - [17] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: Personally, I'm more concerned that the State Prosecutor withheld evidence from the defense, and then fired the IT Director (now a whistleblower) for having notified the defense. (Not that the pictures were relevant to the trial.) So... to clarify, is Zimmerman able to sue on the grounds the prosecutory withheld evidence? Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!
Tumahub Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 3221	Posted - 2013.07.18 01:48:00 - [18] - Quote No, the prosecution essentially peddled around in a grey area not letting the evidence be known until the last minute, then having the complicit judge (couldn't be more obvious after the brow-beating she gave Z) rule it inadmissible for reasons I haven't heard. In-fact the evidence there-in was perfectly relevant to the case at hand since it established the behavior of the first party to be in line with the defense' claim that he was the initiator in the encounter. Basically it's misconduct and something this particular prosecutor is well-known for (hence she got this case), but it won't be addressed unless some other crooked politician feels the need to purge her for quick cool-points with the public.
Hells Merc mUfFiN fAcToRy 5	Posted - 2013.07.18 03:37:00 - [19] - Quote Cocoa needs a distraction from all the scandals. What better than inciting his army of useful idiots to start a race war. The useful idiots need to be getting upset with their false messiah and this.... " Why aren't so-called black leaders outraged and marching over the recent shooting rampage in Chicago. During the 4 July holiday weekend, including the Wednesday leading up to it, 62 people were wounded by gun violence in Chicago and 12 others killed. The holiday shooting spree raised Chicago's homicide tally to 200 for the year. Last year about 500 people were killed, and most of those killing and being killed in Chicago are black. According to the Chicago Tribune, "blacks make up about 33% of the city's population, they accounted for nearly 78% of the homicide victims through the first six months of 2012" but no cocoa needs to hide this by race baiting his minions..... 1. IRS targets Obama's enemies: The IRS targeted conservative and pro-Israel groups prior to the 2012 election. Questions are being raised about why this occurred, who ordered it, whether there was any White House involvement and whether there was an initial effort to hide who knew about the targeting and when. 2. Benghazi: This is actually three scandals in one: The failure of administration to protect the Benghazi mission; the changes made to the talking points in order to suggest the attack was motivated by an anti-Muslim video; and the refusal of the White House to say what President Obama did the night of the attack. 3. Keeping an eye on The Associated Press: The Justice Department performed a massive cull of Associated Press reporters' phone records as part of a leak investigation. 4. Rosengate: The Justice Department suggested that Fox News reporter James Rosen is a criminal for reporting about classified information and subsequently monitored his phones and emails. 5. Potential Holder perjury I: Attorney General Eric Holder told Congress he had never been associated with "potential prosecution" of a journalist for perjury when in fact he signed the affidavit that termed Rosen a potential criminal. 6. The ATF "Fast and Furious" scheme: Federal agencies allowed weapons from U.S. gun dealers to "walk" across the border into the hands of Mexican drug dealers. The ATF summarily lost track of scores of those weapons, many of which were used in crimes, including the December 2010 killing of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. 7. Potential Holder perjury II: Holder told Congress in May 2011 that he had just recently heard about the Fast and Furious gun walking scheme when there is evidence he may have known much earlier. 8. Sebelius demands payment: HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius solicited donations from companies HHS might regulate. The money would be used to help her sign up uninsured Americans for Obamacare. 9. The Pigford scandal: An Agriculture Department effort that started as an attempt to compensate black farmers who had been discriminated against by the agency but evolved into a gravy train delivering several billion dollars in cash to thousands of additional minority and female farmers who probably didn't face discrimination. 10. GSA gone wild: The General Services Administration in 2010 held an $823,000 training conference in Las Vegas, featuring a clown and a mind readers. Resulted in the resignation of the GSA administrator. 11. Veterans Affairs in Disney World: The agency wasted more than $6 million on two conferences in Orlando. An assistant secretary was fired. 12. Sebelius violates the Hatch Act: A U.S. special counsel determined that Sebelius violated the Hatch Act when she made "extemporaneous partisan remarks" during a speech in her official capacity last year. During the remarks, Sebelius called for the election of the Democratic candidate for governor of North Carolina. 13. Solyndra: Republicans charged the Obama Administration funded and promoted its poster boy for green energy despite warning signs the company was headed for bankruptcy. The administration also allegedly pressed Solyndra to delay layoff announcements until after the 2010 midterm elections. 15. The New Black Panthers: The Justice Department was accused of using a racial double standard in failing to pursue a voter intimidation case against Black Panthers who appeared to be menacing voters at a polling place in 2008 in Philadelphia. 16. Waging war all by myself: Obama may have violated the Constitution and both the letter and the spirit of the War Powers Resolution by attacking Libya without Congressional approval. 20. I'll pass my own laws: Obama has repeatedly been accused of making end runs around Congress by deciding which laws to enforce, including the decision not to deport illegal immigrants who may have been allowed to stay in the United States had Congress passed the "Dream Act." Had to delete some of the points else the forum was going to break.
Adunh Slavy 1166	Posted - 2013.07.18 04:47:00 - [20] - Quote Meanwhile, as the sheep bleat about this case, your taxes have increased, the central banks have printed more money, wars have been escalated, regulatorory bureaucrats have been appointed quietly, more of your freedoms have been stolen. Bleat sheep bleat. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt

Liafcipe9000 Smeghead Empire 8565	Posted - 2013.07.18 06:41:00 - [21] - Quote wat You may gain the knowledge, but you will lose your belief, with all its mystery and comfort. If there was proof, absolute and certain, there is an afterlife, why not quit this life, and be done with it? Ponder about these things all your life, and you're a philosopher. Compress these ponderings into a couple of pages, and you'll go mad.
NeoShocker Interstellar eXodus The Retirement Club 171	Posted - 2013.07.18 07:49:00 - [22] - Quote To be honest, I thought zimmerman is going to be guilty. 5 mom jurors. 4 white, 1 is minority. After 16 hours of debate, he is not guilty. If the mothers say he is not guilty, I really don't understand the fuss of the "world" over reacting. :\
arabella blood Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 81	Posted - 2013.07.18 10:31:00 - [23] - Quote As a lawyer (not american) my opinion the problem is the "jury system". It seems like it always been the problem. But thats your law, and it is what counts. Btw, why only 6 jury members? Not 12?
Shalua Rui Rui Freelance Mining 17678	Posted - 2013.07.18 10:34:00 - [24] - Quote arabella blood wrote: Btw, why only 6 jury members? Not 12? That's what I was wondering too... maybe it's not always like in the movies. But yea, the system is not ideal... but then again, what system is? "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Anna Karhunen Inoue INEXP 89	Posted - 2013.07.18 10:37:00 - [25] - Quote I really hope that Zimmerman and victims of the racial attacks done by Trayvon supporters all across USA take the news networks for the cleaner. The race hustlers of MSNBC and CNN (and others) should pay the price, preferably with their jobs and personal wealth.
arabella blood Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 81	Posted - 2013.07.18 10:39:00 - [26] - Quote I found the answer. Second degree murder, not Capital, not death penalty - 6 jurors. My opinion a bench trial with 6 judges is better...
Shalua Rui Rui Freelance Mining 17689	Posted - 2013.07.18 11:04:00 - [27] - Quote Anna Karhunen wrote: I really hope that Zimmerman and victims of the racial attacks done by Trayvon supporters all across USA take the news networks for the cleaner. The race hustlers of MSNBC and CNN (and others) should pay the price, preferably with their jobs and personal wealth. See, and that's the second problem with the jury system right there... the omni-presence of the media in the western world. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Anna Karhunen Inoue INEXP 89	Posted - 2013.07.18 11:17:00 - [28] - Quote Shalua Rui wrote: Anna Karhunen wrote: I really hope that Zimmerman and victims of the racial attacks done by Trayvon supporters all across USA take the news networks for the cleaner. The race hustlers of MSNBC and CNN (and others) should pay the price, preferably with their jobs and personal wealth. See, and that's the second problem with the jury system right there... the omni-presence of the media in the western world. Zimmerman dodged the bullet. Had media had the influence it hoped, Zimmerman would have been found guilty. Now, jury trials are not perfect, but I find many judges to have warped view of the world (I am Finn, by the way, so my view is not influenced by US cases only).
Shalua Rui Rui Freelance Mining 17708	Posted - 2013.07.18 11:30:00 - [29] - Quote Anna Karhunen wrote: Now, jury trials are not perfect, but I find many judges to have warped view of the world (I am Finn, by the way, so my view is not influenced by US cases only). True, but still... the way juries are handled in the US can be quite disturbing at times... there lieraly is "trading" and bartering for jury members going on, and that's considered normal practice in US courts. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
arabella blood Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 81	Posted - 2013.07.18 11:30:00 - [30] - Quote Anna Karhunen wrote: Shalua Rui wrote: Anna Karhunen wrote: I really hope that Zimmerman and victims of the racial attacks done by Trayvon supporters all across USA take the news networks for the cleaner. The race hustlers of MSNBC and CNN (and others) should pay the price, preferably with their jobs and personal wealth. See, and that's the second problem with the jury system right there... the omni-presence of the media in the western world. Zimmerman dodged the bullet. Had media had the influence it hoped, Zimmerman would have been found guilty. Now, jury trials are not perfect, but I find many judges to have warped view of the world (I am Finn, by the way, so my view is not influenced by US cases only). If the judges are like that, then the people are even more :) Btw, can this be appealed? Its funny how each state has its own rules..



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