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Myyona
Ataraxia Pharmacies
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Posted - 2013.07.25 11:45:00 -
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Dropbear did leave CCP for a period, but apparently returned to the fold again rather quick (see references here). Apparently he is currently working in Atlanta (ref), and I believe that means he is in no longer working with the Eve Content/Storyline team in any capacity (they work out of Reykjavik) and has not done for quite a while.
Oh, and you want to explore something in zero sec? Try to see what the COSMOS missions there can tell. I have not gotten around to do those myself. Chances are low that the will have Sleeper or Talocan related info, though.
ADD: The Live Event team at the time of A'J tried to do two events in w-space. Both ended up as a farce, so hopefully we will not have anything like that again. CEO - Ataraxia Pharmacies Personal Biography |
Myyona
Ataraxia Pharmacies
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Posted - 2013.07.25 12:03:00 -
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And this:
Quote:All of this - all of it - is unfolding in real time, and it will take either a genius or a collective effort to make sense of the whole from the fragments that remain. We are watching and waiting for the day to come when the capsuleers will move this particular storyline forward. We are still waiting.
Quote:Let me tell you now that if you look closely at all things Sleeper, you will be rewarded for it. Nothing was put anywhere by mistake, and very, very, little of it is what you could describe as "filler". When it comes to the Sleepers, each stroke on the canvas was meant to be there and each part serves a purpose, whether little or...big. There are depths to this storyline that nobody has explored, complexities that have not yet been understood, mysteries that are still waiting to be unraveled, and this is a year and half after the discovery of Anoik...wormhole space. Yeah, I know what it initially looks like. But after having been through the mill a couple of times, I no longer believe my initial interpretation. CEO - Ataraxia Pharmacies Personal Biography |
Cowgeneral
Dark 'N' Dragon's Mining Mayhem
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Posted - 2013.07.25 13:08:00 -
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Here is a theory I sent to Amann Karris and convinced me it was worth sharing due to the dated nature of this story and by extension, lack of people to care (About defending Arek'Jaalan or Hilen Tukoss that is).
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I was reading through the Anoikis and Vitrauze Project chronicles as well as the Arek'Jaalan files just now and a few thoughts occurred to me after reading through them.
It appears Arek'Jaalan is a ruse or some sort of ploy to divert attention from certain items or objects of interest by hiding them in plain sight. Its 'perceived benevolence' as stated in the Anoikis Chronicle is its greatest deception, mostly because it's true. Arek'Jaalan is open and plain about what has been released to the public concerning W-Space, key phrase being 'released to the public.' In the Anoikis Chronicle it is rather explicitly stated that Hilen Tukoss is a primary move behind the Sleeper Component monopolization.
"That will turn the empires toward research.
Not if we intervene and provide for them what convincingly appears to be the most promising final applications of any potential studies. This hints at precisely the point we must illuminate. When framed as a concern for the balance of power between the empires and the capsuleers, our interests will appear far more congruent with theirs, and our actions will remain understandable. The empires can be made to quickly appreciate how little control over these new areas they will have, and from there, it will be simple to assist each of them in coordinating access to components we identify as key. They will recognize it as the only opportunity any of them have for strategic equality. None will refuse."
This ties in with the opening quote:
Imagine if the bars to your prison were all you had ever known.
Then one day, someone appears and unlocks the door.
If they have the power to do this, then are they really the liberator?
You never remembered who it was that closed you in.
(Thanks to Amann, I now know this is a almost verbatim reference to Plato's Allegory of the Cave.)
So my analysis is that either the Sleeper Components are either far more valuable than the empires, Concord and Tukoss have made them out to be or they are in fact not that important but used as a cover-up for something that is.
This leads me to my next point. The ending of Anoikis ends with a large sum of figures listed as the amount of Sleeper Components turned in that October (2010?). The numbers at that time are extraordinary and would certainly be able to provide plenty of data for whatever 'secret project' Tukoss or the mysterious ambassador at the end of Anoikis may have been working on.
"Our research?
>Had she not realized yet? In the early months, we can make a great deal of ground.
Early months?
She had not. The ambassador swallowed. Emotion was rippling inside each cell, bursting throughout the bloodstream as it tried to break free."
My conclusion is that the 'ambassador' at the end of Anoikis is either a member of Sansha's Nation or Sansha Kuvakei himself (possessing a True Slave). While that is an extraordinary claim here are a few salient pieces of information I want to try and tie together.
1. The 'previous experience' of Ishukone as mentioned by the director to Tukoss is their contact with the Jove.
2. Lianda Burreau was chosen because of her extensive background in . This seems to imply her clone or consciousness was intercepted somehow after she was killed in Anoikis.
3. All four of the Sleeper Components seem to integrate locations, time stamps, monitoring, and AI respectively. The funneling of these items to Sansha's Nation would account for their apparent mastery of Wormhole technology and access to Jove space.
4. Even though the ambassador is at first glance supposed to be recognized of the Empires, his female associate consistently refers to "The Empires" not "The other Empires." While flimsy, I believe it implies either the ambassador hailing from CONCORD or some other entity.
5. The 'most promising final applications of any potential studies' appears to be the Tech III cruisers. This implies that there is a further possibility with Sleeper technology and our current exploits have only scratched the surface.
Also,
-Arek'Jaalan as said by Tukoss himself is to be taken as "To get revenge." That seems to fall into line with Sansha Kuvakei's driving theme.
-Arek'Jaalan actively avoids investigation into Sleeper Components. (As far as I know.) All I've seen so far is a few cursory mentions.
-Arek'Jaalan fits within the quote about the prison bars and the liberator at the beginning of Anoikis, if the Project sets the standard, how will we ever know anything beyond it?
-Talocan technology vaguely resembles Nation technology, particularly the spines on certain structures. This one is a stretch I know, but it could fit.
Other possibilities is that CONCORD is behind this, which begs the question as to why and whether or not their security is compromised by foreign agents (Sansha) or worse they're doing it of their own internal accord.
My theory is that Sansha's Nation has been using the Sleeper Components and a captured Lianda Burreau for their recent breakthroughs in Wormhole technology. Additionally, we have been duped by CONCORD and Hilen Tukoss into buying into their prescribed definitions of the potential of Sleeper technology. This leads to further perception that their reason for this is direct manipulation by Sansha's Nation.
To me these pieces of information fall together fairly well and would account for several aspects of the current plot. However, this does take several assertions, such as knowledge of the CreoDron meeting, Hilen Tukoss' conversations, the ambassador's monologue, etc... |
Myyona
Ataraxia Pharmacies
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Posted - 2013.07.25 13:37:00 -
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Great theory crafting, lack of references. Regardless, an interesting hypothesis you got there.
If some new folks have not seen it; The Haakkainen Musings is probably still the best attempt at deriving plausible explanations based on all evidence presented. Sadly, Mr. Haakkainen decided to leave Eve and stop theory crafting after/because of Templar One. CEO - Ataraxia Pharmacies Personal Biography |
Cowgeneral
Dark 'N' Dragon's Mining Mayhem
6
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Posted - 2013.07.25 14:18:00 -
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My mistake, seems like I violated my own rules there. Although the majority of the points are speculation, most everything can be found in the Chronicles or the EVElopedia.
Anoikis Chronicle. The Vitrauze Project Chronicle. Sleeper Components. Arek'Jaalan Project. ("To get revenge" quote at very bottom.) Also for images where I compared Talocan and Nation technology: Arek'Jaalan Library.
Also thank you so very much for that link, I'm going through the PDF file now and this is incredible. Also that is the first post-Old Forums thread I've seen where Dropbear made an appearance, thank you. |
Job Valador
Super Moose Defence Force
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Posted - 2013.07.26 03:40:00 -
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I read every wall of text on here and my brain just dripped out of my ears.
@_@
I think we all have been living in wormholes for too long "The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement." |
Nakami Saans
Perkone Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.07.26 11:21:00 -
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Job Valador wrote:I read every wall of text on here and my brain just dripped out of my ears.
@_@
I think we all have been living in wormholes for too long
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
I know how you feel. I've been trying to catch up while in the process of moving and registering for classes. |
Nakami Saans
Perkone Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.07.26 11:23:00 -
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Myyona, you've given me alot to read and since my life has been crazy the past few days it might take me a while to sift through it all. Same to you Cow. Thanks! ^.^ |
Cowgeneral
Dark 'N' Dragon's Mining Mayhem
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Posted - 2013.07.28 05:47:00 -
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An interesting find concerning the shift between lore focus on Wormhole Space in the Dropbear Era (2009-2011 from my estimations) to the current focus on Empires in the Illuminati Team Era (2011-present) by Rhavas, a long time player and Arek'Jaalan contributor.
http://interstellarprivateer.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/the-humans-are-the-real-monsters/
It'd be interesting to find out just how much of that is true and how much is speculation but from what has happened so far it seems like Rhavas is mostly correct. I wonder if W-Space will ever be pickd up in the future but the article speaks for itself. |
Alex Etolle
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.09 23:05:00 -
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I hope we find out the truth. This looks rather interesting and I'd love a return update for W-space. |
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Nakami Saans
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.10 05:01:00 -
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Alex Etolle wrote:I hope we find out the truth. This looks rather interesting and I'd love a return update for W-space.
Me too lol |
Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
452
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Posted - 2013.08.11 10:07:00 -
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Good to see back story lore getting a fresh set of eye's.
Project Compass and Atlas stemmed party from the practical need but also by recognising some apparent connections with Euclid and Rene Descartes.
Some of us (though perhaps only me :)) became convinced the latter could provide an insight into worm hole space geometry and perhaps the under lying physics of New Eden. Despite the distance problem it was a success in the former rather than the latter and science is as much about eliminating things as proving them.
I think for some it provided a good hook for exploring the experimental interactive story telling and perhaps live events. However it never really came off and it's a little unclear if this was a result of Drop Bears departure (he seemed to encouraged this) or we were simply barking down a blind alley.
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Cowgeneral
Dark 'N' Dragon's Mining Mayhem
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Posted - 2013.08.24 22:15:00 -
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I appreciate everyone who posted in their efforts to find out more about Wormholes and keep this thread alive. It is my hope that through our combined interest in that part of the lore that we can elicit a direct response by Devs either through this thread or by other means. Any further information or links to other items of interest would be of great use and so I encourage anyone to post with their opinions, theories and information concerning Sleepers and the Wormhole Storyline.
Furthermore, there is a thread in the Wormhole board labeled 'What is wrong with wormhole space?' started by a CSM member in SSC in which you can post and make your voice heard about things you think need to be changed. The vast majority of posters are gameplay driven requests, however I have ventured to make a couple of posts concerning the story side of things. If canon is a significant content driver for you I highly recommend posting and supporting lore updates for Wormholes. |
Roga Dracor
Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood
546
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Posted - 2013.08.27 17:11:00 -
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Hiding in plain sight.. If CCP would concentrate some effort into hashing out the backstory, they might get my subscription money back.. lol
As it is, I am having a BLAST in Dust 514.. Ever wonder why we can create wormholes between an MCC and a planet, but, can't figure out how to open them between points in space? It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
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Cowgeneral
Dark 'N' Dragon's Mining Mayhem
10
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Posted - 2013.09.05 03:57:00 -
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Just a small update with a little extra information and speculation.
Certain threads such as this one, this one and this one all seem to imply trend changes in the lore. This is much like what Rhavas mentioned in his blog post that I referred to earlier.
Unfortunately for us it seems to be that the Sleepers and the other ancient races, and by extension Wormholes themselves have been left behind in lieu of greener pastures so to speak with other more concrete entities in known space.
It is unfortunate to see that this sort of status quo is maintained, seeing as all of the great questions brought up by the Sleeper lore as well as other things such as the Huttaken Incident seemed to imply that everything was not so cut and dry as it was made out to be at first glance. Numerous topics are brought up such as the legitimacy and power of CONCORD, what Sansha's Nation is really about, Jove space and more.
To be honest, I never expected lore to really take a front seat in EVE and I'm sure many people who care about it like it that way anyway. Insofar, the rather lukewarm response on this topic in the first place seems to be indicative of jaded lore seekers who have insulated themselves from disappointment. Or one could compare today's in-character threads to those of a few years past and make their own judgement. Either way, for the reasons stated above and the lack of CCP response, this topic has left me to believe that this is something the Devs wish either had not come about or that it has been deemed untenable or incompatible with their current view of the lore.
Again as always, any more comments or critiques are encouraged as well as any future CCP input. |
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