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Yamabushi
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Posted - 2005.12.13 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: Yamabushi on 13/12/2005 14:55:22
Stanley "Tookie" Williams, the legendary founder of the "Crips" died today..this guy turned his point of views in jail , wrote books for children and was nominated 4 time for the nobel price for peace...
It is not my right to judge the american system of rights, still ........life is something only god can take from us since he is the one who gave it to us...
Rest in Peace !!!!!!
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2005.12.13 14:53:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Aradon on 13/12/2005 15:03:48
I cant share sympathy for a man with his colourful history.
He has paid for his crimes, good riddance.
EDIT: Please dont quote god in this, my mother and father gave me life, cripp decided to play "god" go figure.
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Yamabushi
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Posted - 2005.12.13 14:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Lord Aradon
I cant share sympathy for a man with his colourful history.
He has paid for his crimes, good riddance.
well i donŠt want to question why he had to die.., all iŠm trying to say is : it is something worth to remember that someome turned his opinions to help people and tried to save lifes , rather than destroy it, or kill people by himself..
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2005.12.13 14:58:00 -
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mebbe true, but you gotta question his motives coz ****, if i was facing the needle after what he had done i sure as hell would repent.
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Layrex
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Posted - 2005.12.13 14:59:00 -
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Two wrongs don't make a right. He was scum but killing him puts us them on his level.
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2005.12.13 15:02:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Aradon on 13/12/2005 15:04:33
He murdered four people and ran a gang of yobbos who murdered, run drugs, and made peoples lives misery, and eye for and eye doesnt count here.
OP: you opened a can of worms here.
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Yamabushi
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Posted - 2005.12.13 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Layrex
Two wrongs don't make a right. He was scum but killing him puts us them on his level.
well thereŠs a problem which i personally have ..
He played GOD in the second he was commiting the murder he was accused of....and for that he definately (imo ) had to stay for the rest of his life in jail...
On the other hand who do we think we are to play the same "game" by choosing who has to die ??
what i respect him for is that he changed his opinion in jail and that he tried to help people ..
i know this wonŠt make it un.happen what he did.....
but he tried it .... for that he has my "respect" in some kinda way
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Yamabushi
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Posted - 2005.12.13 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Aradon
Edited by: Lord Aradon on 13/12/2005 15:04:33
He murdered four people and ran a gang of yobbos who murdered, run drugs, and made peoples lives misery, and eye for and eye doesnt count here.
OP: you opened a can of worms here.
thx for your open thoughts here m8.....
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2005.12.13 15:10:00 -
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I applaude his "change" during his time in prison, but would this change have happened had he not be caught?
It was only when he was given the time to think about his actions and his own mortality did he decide that it wasnt such a big thing to be in a gang of fellons killing folk.
The only thing i think was wrong about it, was that he had to wait 25years to die, thats not right. He served his time right there.
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Chinsor
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Posted - 2005.12.13 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: Chinsor on 13/12/2005 15:29:42
Originally by: Layrex
Two wrongs don't make a right. He was scum but killing him puts us them on his level.
I've never understood this argument,
the man killed 4 people, he deserved to be executed, what else would you suggest as a suitable punishment to murdering 4 people?
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fairimear
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Posted - 2005.12.13 15:44:00 -
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Edited by: fairimear on 13/12/2005 15:46:55
two rongs don'tever make a right.
execution for murder is 1 of the most hipocritical things in the world.
what does it tell the kids of the world.
people can't change?
in a country that survives so much on people trying to better their lifes it's a real good way to punish people.
what more he was nominated for the nobel peace prize 4 times, something even the best of us would never dream of.
the US goverment is ****ing insane to destroy what moral high ground they had and to destroy 1 of their best tools for solving gang crime.
Ignorance will bring down US culture.
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slip66
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Posted - 2005.12.13 15:52:00 -
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Look its great the guy tried to reform, but he killed people and should pay the consequences.
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Mactire
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Posted - 2005.12.13 15:53:00 -
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Hmmmm.. So you invade a country on false pretences, kill thousands of people. Steal all their resources. What do you get? A second term!
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Exaali Vendraxxil
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Posted - 2005.12.13 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: fairimear
the US goverment is ****ing insane to destroy what moral high ground they had
Uh, the United States didn't execute him, the State of California did. 
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Sentani
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Posted - 2005.12.13 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Mactire
Hmmmm.. So you invade a country on false pretences, kill thousands of people. Steal all their resources. What do you get? A second term!
heh... from one point of view the military is his gang...
why dont we execute him instead ?
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Lord Aradon
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Posted - 2005.12.13 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: fairimear
what does it tell the kids of the world.
people can't change?
better than telling the kids of the world that you can do all you like and youll just be put up in prison, with cable TV, 3 square meals a day, excercise, free health care and education all at the tax-payers expense 
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Esaam DeVries
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Posted - 2005.12.13 16:59:00 -
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Justice is the upholding of what is just, especially fair treatment and due reward in accordance with the law. Justice must treat adequately, fairly, or with full appreciation. Stanely Williams was found guilty. But death penalty has nothing to do with justice. Looking at the statistics in the USA, you can see that coloured and/or poor people have more chance to be sentenced to death. Where is the justice of democracy in that ? Is that the expression of equality of treatment ? Justice is the expression of democracy valors. Justice says that no man should be deprived from his life. How can you pretend to be fair when you do not stand for what you say ? Stanley Williams was guilty of the charges but because the death penalty is unfair it should not have been used.
And if you need one single reason : "Since 1973, 113 prisoners have been released from death row in the USA after evidence emerged of their innocence of the crimes for which they were sentenced to death. Some came close to execution after spending many years under sentence of death".
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2005.12.13 17:08:00 -
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It doesn't matter how he turned his life around in jail, he can never muster the karma to attone for the blood on his hands. He stole the lives of 3 people, and because of this, his life in turn was stolen.
The real crime would be allowing someone like this to live. It would set an example to other criminals, that no matter what you did before you were imprisoned, you're not accountable if you realize the error of your ways and say "Do as I say, not as I do" to the next generation of thugs.
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Plim
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Posted - 2005.12.13 17:12:00 -
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Yeah, great way to solve gang crime. Execute the one guy that was making it look like people can reform themselves and become better people. Smart move.
Then again if they wanted to reduce levels of crime they would have to deal with the reasons why it occurs, and that certainly isn't going to happen.
Reserve army of labor 4tw.
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Derovius Vaden
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Posted - 2005.12.13 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Plim
Yeah, great way to solve gang crime. Execute the one guy that was making it look like people can reform themselves and become better people. Smart move.
Then again if they wanted to reduce levels of crime they would have to deal with the reasons why it occurs, and that certainly isn't going to happen.
Reserve army of labor 4tw.
Or you could, you know, take half a trillion out of military spending and put it into social programs. That might be just as good as a reformed gangbanger who murdered 3 people in the street.
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Sirkill
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:08:00 -
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I doubt Bush was in favour of the execution, having praised Stanley williams on occasion.
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Yamabushi
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:23:00 -
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Edited by: Yamabushi on 13/12/2005 18:24:09
Originally by: Sirkill
I doubt Bush was in favour of the execution, having praised Stanley williams on occasion.
wait a minute..,. since this was happening in california , wasnŠt that the "Gouvernator" denying the " to live " request ( oh my god my english is so bad :( )
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Eskiban Vlasic
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:27:00 -
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How anyone can defend this guy is totally beyond me.
He LAUGHED as people lied dying in front of him. He killed people and he laughed at them.
And you're telling me he's somehow different now?
Are you that naive?
The ONLY reason he "repented" and "turned his life around" is because he was facing death. The prospect of losing your life can have a profound effect on your behavior.
Many of you contine to be bamboozled by this murderous criminal.
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Lui Chan
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:32:00 -
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Edited by: Lui Chan on 13/12/2005 18:33:18
Ill-educated mind that grew up in gangs. Environment you are raised have lot effect who you become and doubt he would have become that if he had real dad and mom. 17 year old mom isnt exactly "parent figure". Add gangs and weak mind to that in very young age and you got another like him.
Not justifying what he did as it was wrong, but killing him aint right either when he could have continued hes work and turn young kids away from gangs, but I guess we cant let that happen when we seek for revenge.
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Lenil Star
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Eskiban Vlasic
How anyone can defend this guy is totally beyond me.
He LAUGHED as people lied dying in front of him. He killed people and he laughed at them.
And you're telling me he's somehow different now?
Are you that naive?
The ONLY reason he "repented" and "turned his life around" is because he was facing death. The prospect of losing your life can have a profound effect on your behavior.
Many of you contine to be bamboozled by this murderous criminal.
The death penalty is useless. It doens't detter crime and when it is abolished the crime level doesn't rise...
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fairimear
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:41:00 -
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how dare people condem others they have not met to death based on what they are said to have or did do over 1/4 of a centry ago.
if u beleive people can't change no matter how evil they once had been u may as well craw into a hole
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Saeris Tal'Urduar
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Posted - 2005.12.13 18:55:00 -
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Edited by: Saeris Tal''Urduar on 13/12/2005 18:55:18
I wont get on the political debate of peoples foreign policy because its argued from childish and ignorant point of view.
But to the OP. I have no sympathy for the man.
The fact remains and this is something no one argued, not the celebrities not famous people, not all his supporters. They never said he was innocent..the argued he was a changed man.
Why because he wasnt innocent.
He did murder 4 people, and for the families who lost their loved ones to never have resolution by him admiting to what he had done...he paid the ultimate price.
If he spent the rest of his life in jail or he was executed is for me irrelaveant..peorsonaly I'm glad hes gone.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.12.13 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: fairimear
how dare people condem others they have not met to death based on what they are said to have or did do over 1/4 of a centry ago.
if u beleive people can't change no matter how evil they once had been u may as well craw into a hole
It's not about changing. It's about paying the price for the crime you have commited. If it was about changing. Then half the people who abuse 8 year olds would be out on the street with in a month. Everyone knows the laws. It's not cool for the state to kill a man for his crimes but if we didn't then how could we enforce law. Being in jail is like a vaction for most mind you. Just think of how many more sickos we would have if we didn't scare them to not committing the crime to begin with
He died for his actions and im sure he understood that. Death is only another step he has to take.
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Yamabushi
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Posted - 2005.12.13 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Saeris Tal'Urduar
Edited by: Saeris Tal''Urduar on 13/12/2005 18:55:18
I wont get on the political debate of peoples foreign policy because its argued from childish and ignorant point of view.
But to the OP. I have no sympathy for the man.
The fact remains and this is something no one argued, not the celebrities not famous people, not all his supporters. They never said he was innocent..the argued he was a changed man.
Why because he wasnt innocent.
He did murder 4 people, and for the families who lost their loved ones to never have resolution by him admiting to what he had done...he paid the ultimate price.
If he spent the rest of his life in jail or he was executed is for me irrelaveant..peorsonaly I'm glad hes gone.
hzmm well thatŠs your personal opinion , still i donŠt get it how such reaction could be an exdample for the forthcomming generations : sounds to me like : oh we canŠt handle it, letŠs get rid of it...
Paying the price for what he did is something i donŠt wanna discuss,, anyone who takes a live should be punished, still even though he took lives, we are still not allowed to do the same under the banner of justice
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Yamabushi
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Posted - 2005.12.13 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: Yamabushi on 13/12/2005 19:12:51
on a personal note :
i wanna thank everyone here who posted so far...
you all made me think about this a bit more specific..
thx to your open impressions / thoughts so far
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