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Tara Read The Bastards Shadow Cartel 463	Posted - 2013.07.24 04:16:00 - [1] - Quote Title states it all. No this isn't a troll, flame or insult toward Goblin but rather I ask a legitimate question. What exactly do his article's contribute toward in improving Eve? I read all the pretty little news sites mainly for laughes over the propoganda war and of course for the abissmal articles written on an almost daily basis by Gelvon Goblin. See I understand that all if not mainly a majority of the news written for EN24 and Mittani well are spun. But even I fail to see any legitimate contribution Goblin brings except for infuriating those who endure the pain of reading his opinions on making Eve like World Of Warcraft. His articles hold little context. Rather than taking an outward look at Eve as a whole, he often gloats from simple things like his wallet balance, to his "acceptance" into TEST (as if this was an achievement worth any merit at this stage in the war), and of course let us never forget my fellow simpletons he achieved the "gold cap" in WoW. No I'm not kidding. Riverini you are on the CSM. Why not stick someone else to fill the gap on the "economic" section of your website? Why keep giving this person chances to make EN24 look comical? Please someone enlighten me. How exactly does comparing looting boars for gold give one credentials in speaking on the vast intricate workings of Eve's economic system? Let's not even touch his opinion on null sec, frig pvp, combat experience vs care bearing etc. My point is Riv. You read these forums. You are a CSM. Do us all a favor and send this little green goblin back to the Horde where he belongs.
Tara Read The Bastards Shadow Cartel 463	Posted - 2013.07.24 04:26:00 - [2] - Quote Benny Ohu wrote: Quote: Riverini you are on the CSM riverini's not on the csm? My apologies got him confused with Ripard Teg. They both post articles on a regular basis
Tara Read The Bastards Shadow Cartel 463	Posted - 2013.07.24 04:31:00 - [3] - Quote Dr Vulix wrote: Someone sounds butthurt No not butthurt. Just rather perplexed. You'd think after three consecutive weeks of Goblin's articles going down in flames in the comments section someone would have taken notice I also find these threads interesting seeing as players are influenced to a degree by editor's and writers in Eve's major news sites. After all information is key in influencing peoples opinions.
Tara Read The Bastards Shadow Cartel 463	Posted - 2013.07.24 04:41:00 - [4] - Quote Jake Warbird wrote: Tara Read wrote: My apologies got him confused with Ripard Teg. They both post articles on a regular basis Hopefully Ripard doesn't feel bad about being confused with Riverini. We can only hope and pray my friend.
Tara Read The Bastards Shadow Cartel 463	Posted - 2013.07.24 04:44:00 - [5] - Quote Ace Uoweme wrote: Tara Read wrote: Title states it all. No this isn't a troll, flame or insult toward Goblin but rather I ask a legitimate question. What exactly do his article's contribute toward in improving Eve? I read all the pretty little news sites mainly for laughes over the propoganda war and of course for the abissmal articles written on an almost daily basis by Gelvon Goblin. See I understand that all if not mainly a majority of the news written for EN24 and Mittani well are spun. But even I fail to see any legitimate contribution Goblin brings except for infuriating those who endure the pain of reading his opinions on making Eve like World Of Warcraft. His articles hold little context. Rather than taking an outward look at Eve as a whole, he often gloats from simple things like his wallet balance, to his "acceptance" into TEST (as if this was an achievement worth any merit at this stage in the war), and of course let us never forget my fellow simpletons he achieved the "gold cap" in WoW. No I'm not kidding. . Why not stick someone else to fill the gap on the "economic" section of your website? Why keep giving this person chances to make EN24 look comical? Please someone enlighten me. How exactly does comparing looting boars for gold give one credentials in speaking on the vast intricate workings of Eve's economic system? Let's not even touch his opinion on null sec, frig pvp, combat experience vs care bearing etc. My point is Riv. You read these forums. And Ripard you are a CSM. Do us all a favor and send this little green goblin back to the Horde where he belongs. (Also I fail at life for confusing Riverini and Ripard Teg. I shall take no less than 50 lashes for my incompetence ) Dang, STILL talking about WoW on the EvE forum -- and it isn't even me -- lololol In b4 ships turn into flying mounts and we can have pets in station
Tara Read The Bastards Shadow Cartel 467	Posted - 2013.07.24 12:11:00 - [6] - Quote Tubrug1 wrote: Ha you read EN24. Gotta read something when I take a s#% t. May as well be EN24
Tara Read The Bastards Shadow Cartel 467	Posted - 2013.07.24 12:16:00 - [7] - Quote dexington wrote: Tara Read wrote: No this isn't a troll... oh really... you are just jealous Goblin is eve famous and you are not, his innovative thinking is revolutionizing the way the game is being played. What are you talking about? I'm already the Pirate Queen so what other infamy do I need? And you are right about one thing. His "thinking" would revolutionize Eve to a point where pve is glorified and combat trivialized. He fails to understand the pretense of combat let alone it"s merits and forsakes small gang pvp as meaningless. I guess if all I cared about was my wallet flashing and my isk balance was considered "endgame" I daresay I'd have the same mindset. Greed is good folks. Remember that.
Tara Read The Bastards Shadow Cartel 467	Posted - 2013.07.24 12:27:00 - [8] - Quote Ace Uoweme wrote: Tara Read wrote: In b4 ships turn into flying mounts and we can have pets in station And why would you be upset about it in a "sandbox" game? Think EvE doesn't have themepark features? PI is a classic example of it. It'll creep into EvE because just having an open canvas to play on becomes quite boring after awhile, when the only player action is shooting each other (don't know about you, but folks can just get that without a sub or F2P/P2W schemes with a FPS game). If I wanted to play your run of the mill "sandbox" or if I was "bored" of Eve I would have long ago quit this game for something moresimplistic. Eve risks being dumbed down and the games Iinherent ruthlessness is what is it's most redeeming and ever changing quality If I wanted to slay orcs I'd rather play The Two Towers for ps2 than give Blizzard another red cent
Tara Read The Bastards Shadow Cartel 468	Posted - 2013.07.24 14:05:00 - [9] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Tara Read wrote: blah blah incompetence ) There, cut to the chase on that post. I've only visited that Greedy Goblin guy's blog once a few days ago after reading a thread about him in the Missions and Complexes forum (the OP seemed about as butt hurt about Gevlon as you do). So I went to the blog and read how he used a Cheapfit Marauder with dualboxed logi to do missions and make isk. The tone of the article was fairly smug and imo arrogant, as if it were the greatest PVE thing anyone had ever thought of when in fact something like Dual Boxed domis (w/sentries), typhoons, RR cheapfit wormhole style Tengus or Ravens (supporting with FoF missiles) would have been both cheaper and much MUCH more effective. I didn't like the experience of reading his blog post. So I, Jenn aSide, Empress (yes Empress because of white girl avatar) of General Discussion came up with this unique, never before heard of, never before tried, totally experimental plan to solve the problem. I shut down the browser window that had the blog post on it....then I didn't ever go back again. You should maybe try that too. I expect my noble prize for awesomeness to be in the mail shortly, because no one has ever conceived of a plan such as mine! Don't you know the old saying about train wrecks? They are so terrible but once they happen you can't look away. Also instead of being a smartass perhaps you could actually read the EN24 articles where he fumbles around trying to put a spin on things he knows nothing about.
Tara Read The Bastards Shadow Cartel 468	Posted - 2013.07.24 14:12:00 - [10] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: Yeah, that is the solution. However (yes, there's a however) EN24 is one of 2 main news sites, and they have opposing bias, so generally it's best to read both. EN24 chooses to post Gevlon's nonsense as a news article. That's what the complaint here is about. As EN24 don't seem to respond to the mass of complaints on it's site about Gevlon, someone chose to raise the topic here. I fully support it and think EN24 should stop publishing Gevlon's articles. He will still get his supporters on his blog and they can go chat nonsense all the want. I'm sorry, how much are you paying for EN24 or Mittani.com subscriptions. I don't know, I haven't gotten my bill in the email yet..... Last time I looked, This above mentioned sites are privately owned and operated, which means that if all they ever wanted to do is post Chinese translations of Das Kapital and Mien Kampf, that's their business. Your choice is go there and read ...or don't, that's it. What you posted reminds me soooo much of the people in the Ships and mods forum who complain about EFT and EVEMON...FREE TOOLs you get for free and don't even have to pay a dime for (lol), yet people think they are entitled to some kind of rights regarding them. That's BS, don't like free stuff, don't use it and tell your freinds to not use it. I'm amazed that things that are so simple for most of us turn out to be so hard for certain others.... Yes, I'm fully aware they are free and run off of ads, but they alienate their readers. I used to primarily read EN24 as I liked the blog cross posts. Now I go there maybe once a week to cherry pick the articles I care about and just go straight to the bloggers for the rest. I'm certainly not saying anyone is entitled to anything, but if they want to take their site seriously they need to read and respond to feedback, which they do not appear to be doing. EDIT: And just to clarify, no one is asking for action. We are simply stating our opinions about the trash articles and EN24 can feel free to take on board or ignore the posts here as they see fit. Action? I'd love for TEST to take his advice so this war would be over much quicker
Tara Read The Bastards Shadow Cartel 468	Posted - 2013.07.24 14:22:00 - [11] - Quote Lucas Kell wrote: Tara Read wrote: Action? I'd love for TEST to take his advice so this war would be over much quicker I'm not entirely sure it's possible for TEST to be losing quicker than they are. Have you seen the fountain changes for the past 3 days? I have. And like I thought once PL got bored (or upset over that little AWOX) TEST's allies would pack up their toys and go home. Mittani also has always been the diplomatic wizard regardless which makes me smile. GOONS have become the new BoB at this point. It really is quite ironic
Tara Read The Bastards Shadow Cartel 469	Posted - 2013.07.24 15:02:00 - [12] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Tara Read wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Tara Read wrote: blah blah incompetence ) There, cut to the chase on that post. I've only visited that Greedy Goblin guy's blog once a few days ago after reading a thread about him in the Missions and Complexes forum (the OP seemed about as butt hurt about Gevlon as you do). So I went to the blog and read how he used a Cheapfit Marauder with dualboxed logi to do missions and make isk. The tone of the article was fairly smug and imo arrogant, as if it were the greatest PVE thing anyone had ever thought of when in fact something like Dual Boxed domis (w/sentries), typhoons, RR cheapfit wormhole style Tengus or Ravens (supporting with FoF missiles) would have been both cheaper and much MUCH more effective. I didn't like the experience of reading his blog post. So I, Jenn aSide, Empress (yes Empress because of white girl avatar) of General Discussion came up with this unique, never before heard of, never before tried, totally experimental plan to solve the problem. I shut down the browser window that had the blog post on it....then I didn't ever go back again. You should maybe try that too. I expect my noble prize for awesomeness to be in the mail shortly, because no one has ever conceived of a plan such as mine! Don't you know the old saying about train wrecks? They are so terrible but once they happen you can't look away. Also instead of being a smartass perhaps you could actually read the EN24 articles where he fumbles around trying to put a spin on things he knows nothing about. i've read his articles. I found nothing to like, so i don't read them. The train wreck thing is just an excuse for someone who wants to force someone else to stop talking. Sorry, while I think the guy is a tool (based on my brief examination of his writing), i also think I don't have to read it, so there is no problem worthy of a butt hurt sounding GD thread. How exactly do I force Goblin to stop talking? He has his own blog and is an active member (allegedly) of TEST forums so please... stop trying to paint this as something it isn't. Myself as well as others are just curious besides page views what else does he contribute to EN24 or just Eve in general? From your response and others I've read nothing at all.
Tara Read The Bastards Shadow Cartel 470	Posted - 2013.07.24 15:13:00 - [13] - Quote Ripard Teg wrote: Hopefully, you're not confusing me with Riverini also. . Again my apologies on that. Coming in off a train with a 12 hour work day makes your brain stop working
Tara Read The Bastards Shadow Cartel 470	Posted - 2013.07.24 15:15:00 - [14] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Tara Read wrote: How exactly do I force Goblin to stop talking? He has his own blog and is an active member (allegedly) of TEST forums so please... stop trying to paint this as something it isn't. Myself as well as others are just curious besides page views what else does he contribute to EN24 or just Eve in general? From your response and others I've read nothing at all. You already know the guy is a tool,You already know he contributes nothing, You're asking this question is at best a troll and at worst a bigger troll. And you know it. The bad thing is, you're giving the guy free advertising. Now people who would have never heard the name Gevlon...have heard the name Gevlon. Good job. Maybe that "free" advertising will do him some good. By the same account you responding to my question is "trolling" simply because you must have your opinion heard and contribute nothing toward the actual discussion.
Tara Read The Bastards Shadow Cartel 474	Posted - 2013.07.24 16:46:00 - [15] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: [quote=Tara Read] I'm sorry, i call them like I see them. This discussion is pretty worthless, but like all the people who post butt hurt about goons, you are empowering their stupid. Oh well, it's your funeral as they say and I won't argue further, , but what you're doing is dumb. Who am I empowering? We are discussing the quality of opinions allotted to a blogger whom gets posted on one of the major news sites for this game. It isn't just myself but many other EN24 readers as well have expressed distaste at his lack of evidence or even factual claims on the pieces he writes. My point being is that he contributes NOTHING of value toward bettering the content we all enjoy. All you do is flail and scream about my topic inciting goon level hatred which makes no sense whatsoever. Maybe you should go troll someone else's thread or go write a local government official on how certain houses in your neighborhood are out of code. I'm certain they'll be thrilled to hear your bitching Now go home and get your shine box. The big boys are talking.
Tara Read The Bastards Shadow Cartel 474	Posted - 2013.07.24 16:49:00 - [16] - Quote Malcolm Shinhwa wrote: Lucas Kell wrote: Right, but you said this is for noobs. Market velocity is important. If you have 1b, and you sit ona 20m buy order for 2 days, you have 980m to play with. If you have 20m and you sit on a 20m buy order, you are stagnating until that completes. Once it completes, you might make 15% on your investment. But in the same time, you could have make say 10% on your investment 4 times over, reinvesting the same cash over and over. I'm glad you enjoy station trading, I do not. I'd rather be out blowing something up knowing that in a day or two I'll have a new ship waiting for me when I leroy this one into some bad guys. I'll have that ship at a significant discount over the sell order too. I'm not stangnating, I'm in space blowing stuff up. That you like station trading and want to maximize the isk made that way, not everyone does. Also, a couple of times you've mentioned that the things Gevlon has said on his blog are things people already knew. Now, I'm but a simple noobie, but I wonder where those people learned those things? Also I wonder were newbros will learn those things? Can't tell you how many guides I've read online to fit ships for PvP.. most of them conflicting. There are at least 2 sites I can go to for intel on how to get that stupid damsel rescued yet again. How many places can I get information on what is going on in the wormhole I just went through? I know at least 3. So whats it to you if he writes on a topic that you happen to already know? Someone doesn't know that.. new someones join Eve every day. Except his articles DON'T help new players in anyway shape or form! All his articles do is give him a platform to gloat about his wallet amount and make a babbling ramble about how small gang pvp is unimportant or how he'd run TEST finances. Some of us actually care about newer player's and aiding them in their Eve careers. Goblin does not.
Tara Read The Bastards Shadow Cartel 481	Posted - 2013.07.25 02:32:00 - [17] - Quote Mark Munoz wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: [quote=Tara Read] I'm sorry, i call them like I see them. This discussion is pretty worthless, but like all the people who post butt hurt about goons, you are empowering their stupid. Oh well, it's your funeral as they say and I won't argue further, , but what you're doing is dumb. While I agree with your overall sentiment that this ranting is pointless it is no different than players coming to rant about a feature or any other cause within this game to CCP. They do it because they enjoy the product or service offered. When something bad taints that image it's a fairly common reaction to let it be known. While yes it is very easy to skip over the posts, not read, say that they don't pay for the service(which isn't true), the actual point is that the customer is unhappy with the level of service. They have made it known that they have tried to reach Riverini through his officially provided channels with no response. So they are choosing to elevate the issue. Whether that is the correct course of action is for neither of us to decide. At the end of the day I feel that the OP and friends feel that the continued syndication of this author will and has significantly hurt the service, possibly to the point where they can no longer enjoy it. At the end of the day I see the OP trying to preserve a service they enjoy. Of course this is an opinion, please feel free to skip it and not reply if it doesn't suit your tastes. Not really. Goblin has no effect on myself personally and my enjoyment of Eve. Rather I find his articles a detriment in ways of influencing less experienced players simply because they don't know better.
Tara Read The Bastards Shadow Cartel 481	Posted - 2013.07.25 02:35:00 - [18] - Quote Incindir Mauser wrote: Bollocks. Having been a former employee of riverini, I can tell you why he syndicates Gubbins on EN24. Because he's bad. It's troll food. It feeds the click throughs and comments sections generating rivvy-poo money to pay the few people that do write fresh content for him. Goblin suffers from WoW-itis. His whole lens is tinted by his experience there. For some reason he thinks that gold-capping toons in WoW means something. Some people were playing the auction house and making a mint long before Gubbins came alone and popularized it. Making Scrooge McDuck piles of ISK only matters to other people making piles of ISK. Accumulating ISK for the sake of accumulating ISK is just ONE way to play the game and have fun in Eve. To Gubbins, it's the world. I have more respect for the likes of Helicity Boson who find thoroughly entertaining ways of amusing themselves in Eve with scant resources. That being said. Goblin, (shocking!) occasionally writes something that is not-shite. Although, a day or two after he will leave a stinky upper-decker that rivvy-poo will repost. Again feeding the trolls and unmoderated badposting in the comments section. Riv is a pro at being a one-man-band but even he can't do everything all the time. You pretty much summed up the sad tale that is Goblin. Funny you mention Hellicity. I haven't seen him around lately but he comes and goes. Like a leprechaun with a bazooka or something
Tara Read The Bastards Shadow Cartel 483	Posted - 2013.07.26 01:44:00 - [19] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: Gevlon Goblin gives us all a person to point and laugh at because of how hilariously wrong they are on most things. You know, like every other libertarian on the face of the planet. Ron Paul for President 2016. Goblin for president of EA games.
Tara Read The Bastards Shadow Cartel 483	Posted - 2013.07.26 02:15:00 - [20] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: SmilingVagrant wrote: Gevlon Goblin gives us all a person to point and laugh at because of how hilariously wrong they are on most things. Stealth bombers without bombs shooting structures. Literally the worst fleet concept ever. Hahahaha He really said that? Jesus....
Tara Read The Bastards Shadow Cartel 483	Posted - 2013.07.26 02:41:00 - [21] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Tara Read wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: SmilingVagrant wrote: Gevlon Goblin gives us all a person to point and laugh at because of how hilariously wrong they are on most things. Stealth bombers without bombs shooting structures. Literally the worst fleet concept ever. Hahahaha He really said that? Jesus.... Let me see if I have the quote. Well I have his blog a view to get it, so be grateful. I didn't do it for you... Quote: Stealth bombers are great ships, they can decimate whole fleets in a bombing run. They can move undetectable, they can jump to covert cynos, they can light cynos and they can do many more. Grinding down multi-million HP Sov structures is not among them. Making people fly "siege fleets" has the same effect on their willingness to log in again as making them fly remote-repping Rokhs. Note: After a couple weeks of running nigh-non-stop Siege fleets, we were keeping numbers of ~100, and in peak times reached 160 in fleet at a time. Oh god. He was also just mentioned as a side joke in an EN24 article as being manager of Test finances. The article was about Test being robbed again lol... my sides. Oh my sides. Maybe he'll pull a fast one on them and nab some loot? That's what I would do. The 120 bil the logi director just ran off with isn't a bad haul at all
Tara Read The Bastards Shadow Cartel 483	Posted - 2013.07.26 02:57:00 - [22] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Goblin has been pouring isk into TEST, in a way he's the one being robbed here.... You know your Alliance is in the shitter when the likes of Gelvon Goblin funds your war. I'd be interested to see of this is true. If it is well color me purple because I'm choking on dinner cause I'm laughing so hard.
Tara Read The Bastards Shadow Cartel 483	Posted - 2013.07.26 03:28:00 - [23] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Tara Read wrote: You know your Alliance is in the shitter when the likes of Gelvon Goblin funds your war. I'd be interested to see of this is true. If it is well color me purple because I'm choking on dinner cause I'm laughing so hard. http://covertcyno.com/donors.html He is listed as having given ~40 billion. Oh...oh god. I'm in tears I can't stop lauging.
Tara Read The Bastards Shadow Cartel 494	Posted - 2013.07.27 22:32:00 - [24] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Please don't make fun of TEST. But moooooom!