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Tophereon
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Posted - 2005.12.16 10:59:00 -
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Hi guys,
Well after a lot of work I have all 24 factories running again. But here are a few suggestions to make the system better imho...
1. Obviously we need a cancel button.
2. Some streamlining of the system would help make things quicker when setting up jobs.. ie being able to set default options such as station.
3. Automatic selecting of the next free assembly line.
Simple things I know but when you have a lot to set up I think this would help.
Anyone else have any ideas?
Toph.
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Devonian
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Posted - 2005.12.16 11:03:00 -
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I agree with your suggestions.
In addition, the orphan windows left at the end need to be tidied up.
That said, I like the new arrangements and the ability to remote manage lab and factory jobs.
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Nobody I
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Posted - 2005.12.16 11:04:00 -
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Edited by: Nobody I on 16/12/2005 11:05:21
YES
1) cancel button
2) on the job_bord that we can reading by Info - not "the station and his positon in eve itself " but the progress of the job fully.
3) the choice by delivering sepretly one-by-one of total as diliver button.
4) possibility to hire the labslots such as the old situations.
Nobody
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Civ Zomas
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Posted - 2005.12.16 11:12:00 -
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Some obvious goofs:
* No estimate of the job time on the quote screen
* No indication of the maximum runs per copy allowed when setting up a copy job.
Also, it looks like there will be a shortage of copying facilities and an over-supply of all other types of lab facility.
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Matthew
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Posted - 2005.12.16 11:29:00 -
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 Originally by: Tophereon
Hi guys,
Well after a lot of work I have all 24 factories running again. But here are a few suggestions to make the system better imho...
1. Obviously we need a cancel button.
Going to be hard, and I'm kinda thinking the lack of one is actually a deliberate design decision at this point. Probably to stop the very practices people are complaining about not being able to use.
Originally by: Tophereon
2. Some streamlining of the system would help make things quicker when setting up jobs.. ie being able to set default options such as station.
3. Automatic selecting of the next free assembly line.
Agree with these, could be done as client-side tweaks and would be nice.
Originally by: Civ Zomas
* No indication of the maximum runs per copy allowed when setting up a copy job.
Inconvenient, but the entry box will automatically limit you to the max runs, so if you want max runs, just enter some ludicroulsy high value for now and let it cap automatically.
Originally by: Civ Zomas
Also, it looks like there will be a shortage of copying facilities and an over-supply of all other types of lab facility.
When I looked, it seemed that all the old lab facilities had been converted into 3 sets of assembly lines, one each for copying, ME and PE, and all with about as many "slots" as before. So unless I missed something, the number of slots available for copying will actually have increased, as ME and PE research have moved to their own allocations. The new system also improves the usage of slots, with unused slots becoming available immediately instead of sitting empty under someone's rental. It also means that a lot of copying that was done just to hold lab rentals open will stop too. So at the very least I can't see how the new system will be worse for supply of copying facilities, and there are many reasons why it could be better.
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Civ Zomas
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Posted - 2005.12.16 12:34:00 -
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Edited by: Civ Zomas on 16/12/2005 12:37:59
Okay, here's the situation at Kusomonmon V - Moon 9 - Caldari Navy Testing Facility:
Before RMR: 50 or so lab slots (52 iirc) - most in use.
Now: 10 copying and 20 each of other lab facilities - all copying facilities in use already.
In other words, this represents a 5x drop in capacity. With the new skills, one character can use every copying facility in the station.
Shouldn't it be more like 30 copying and 10 each of the other two?
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Tophereon
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Posted - 2005.12.16 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Civ Zomas
* No estimate of the job time on the quote screen
Thats the most important to me actually... I totally forgot.
You really need this information to plan your production properly.
Toph.
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Dr Liebknecht
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Posted - 2005.12.16 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Liebknecht on 16/12/2005 14:49:18
The "Jobs" status screen should have
- a column showing the number of runs inserted, and
- an <i>nfo button for the blueprint inserted.
When inserting a new manufacturing job, if none enters a number of runs which gives a production time longer than 30 days the numer of runs should automatically be recalculated to fit for a maximum number of runs within 30 days.
There should be a warning with appropriate info before inserting a qued job.
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elFarto
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Posted - 2005.12.16 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: elFarto on 16/12/2005 18:52:17
Originally by: Matthew
Originally by: Tophereon
Hi guys,
Well after a lot of work I have all 24 factories running again. But here are a few suggestions to make the system better imho...
1. Obviously we need a cancel button.
Going to be hard, and I'm kinda thinking the lack of one is actually a deliberate design decision at this point. Probably to stop the very practices people are complaining about not being able to use.
There is a way it could be implemented, without it being abused. You can cancel the job at any time, you get all your minerals back (if any where needed) and you get the bpo back, without any changes (In exactly the state it went into the slot in).
Even that could be difficult if CCP aren't keeping track of the minerals that were placed into the slot.
Regards
elFarto
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Firid Soulbane
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Posted - 2005.12.16 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Civ Zomas
Edited by: Civ Zomas on 16/12/2005 12:37:59
Okay, here's the situation at Kusomonmon V - Moon 9 - Caldari Navy Testing Facility:
Before RMR: 50 or so lab slots (52 iirc) - most in use.
Now: 10 copying and 20 each of other lab facilities - all copying facilities in use already.
In other words, this represents a 5x drop in capacity. With the new skills, one character can use every copying facility in the station.
Shouldn't it be more like 30 copying and 10 each of the other two?
Yes this is really annoying. For me and my corp its the exact opposite. We mainly do ME research but at our normal research station all the ME slots have been taken and only 1 of each copying and pe slots are taken. We are now forced to spread out and do research at several different stations instead of just having one or two stations in the same system. This makes coordinating blueprint research for corps much harder and we have to have offices at several different stations to acomodate our research.
Was this really neccesary? I may see a reason for trying to curb the amount of copying taking place but i see no reason for penalizing ppl wanting to do pe/me lvls.
Its my understanding that when improving your BPO a majority of the labtime is spend on doing ME lvl's and not so much PE lvl's. Why do they have an equal split of slots then?
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Taku
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Posted - 2005.12.16 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Firid Soulbane
Its my understanding that when improving your BPO a majority of the labtime is spend on doing ME lvl's and not so much PE lvl's. Why do they have an equal split of slots then?
Agreed. PE should have half, maybe even less.
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Dr Liebknecht
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Posted - 2005.12.18 01:58:00 -
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I don't agree.
Lab slots should all be universal, to use for the purpose anyone see fit (me/pe research or copying).
If there is a need felt by ccp to make certain activities, such as copying, less attractive it should be dealt with through a price mechanism.
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Kaathar Rielspar
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Posted - 2005.12.18 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Liebknecht
I don't agree.
Lab slots should all be universal, to use for the purpose anyone see fit (me/pe research or copying).
If there is a need felt by ccp to make certain activities, such as copying, less attractive it should be dealt with through a price mechanism.
and while they're at it double (at least) the number of available slots. pre-patch i used to be able to run 5 ME research jobs at once no problems since i always had 5 labs rented (out of the 50+ that were available, just under half of which were free). now there are only 20 labs and they're *all* fully booked. I dont want to relocate my bpo's either.
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Kaathar Rielspar
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Posted - 2005.12.18 02:26:00 -
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Edited by: Kaathar Rielspar on 18/12/2005 02:26:33
A useful feature to add would be a few sortable columns listing whether the print is a bpo or bpc, and another sortable column by runs left. Also desirable would be sortable ME and PE columns to so you can quickly select your unresearched prints and get working on them.
edit: typo
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Tachy
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Posted - 2005.12.18 06:11:00 -
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Cancelling with getting minerals back?
That would be abused heavily to keep the competition out of an area completely at very low cost.
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