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Hestia Mar Calmaretto 0	Posted - 2011.10.26 10:31:00 - [1] - Quote Bearing in mind that Gallente boats are generally drone boats, the new BC should be a Command Ship with drone bonuses - either more drones available (7 instead of 5), or bonuses to drone range and damage...and fleet bonuses so that a gang of Vexors or Myrms would have a raison d'etre. There would be no reason Gallente to design a new BC with a weaker tank, and not increase the effects of drones which are their main weapons. Flame away... H
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 59	Posted - 2011.10.26 10:33:00 - [2] - Quote Hestia Mar wrote: Bearing in mind that Gallente boats are generally drone boats YOU decided that al alone? -because your statement is false. Quote: There would be no reason Gallente to design a new BC with a weaker tank, and not increase the effects of drones which are their main weapons No
Novantco The Scope Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2011.10.26 12:19:00 - [3] - Quote No thanks, plenty of Drone boats already.
Shadowsword The Rough Riders Ares Protectiva 43	Posted - 2011.10.26 12:29:00 - [4] - Quote Hestia Mar wrote: Bearing in mind that Gallente boats are generally drone boats, the new BC should be a Command Ship with drone bonuses - either more drones available (7 instead of 5), or bonuses to drone range and damage...and fleet bonuses so that a gang of Vexors or Myrms would have a raison d'etre. There would be no reason Gallente to design a new BC with a weaker tank, and not increase the effects of drones which are their main weapons. Flame away... H Every other BC will be able to fit for firing at 15km or 150+km, and you want to pigeon-hole the gallente BC to close range. Sound great...not.
1-Up Mushroom Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 47	Posted - 2011.10.26 12:40:00 - [5] - Quote Would cool if it could get fleet bonuses for drones, like at maxed skills, all fleeted ships drones would have a 25% damage increase or something 5 Senses In A Person... 4 Seasons In A Year... 3 Colors In A Stoplight... 2 Poles On The Earth... ONLY 1-UP MUSHROOM!!!-á If You Like My Sig, Like Me!
Songbird 33	Posted - 2011.10.26 12:41:00 - [6] - Quote according to the extracted stats the new BC has bonus to web strength and bonus to DPS - looks to me like it's a mini vindicator , or in other words close range fighter anyway.
Jacob Holland Weyland-Vulcan Industries Alliance not Found 5	Posted - 2011.10.26 12:51:00 - [7] - Quote The Talos shouldn't be a drone boat and it shouldn't be a command vessel. This tier is not designed around links but around big guns... Of course now that there are all of these medium ships with large guns one of the main arguements for nerfing the heck out of the Myrm has disappeared so you'd probably be better off campaigning to get the Myrm its Heavy Drones back.
Hannibal Ord Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group 3	Posted - 2011.10.26 12:58:00 - [8] - Quote No leave the Warbird alone please.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1280	Posted - 2011.10.26 13:44:00 - [9] - Quote how about no
Fronkfurter McSheebleton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2011.10.26 19:21:00 - [10] - Quote Gallente have...what....seven subcap combat ships with bonused drones? Versus about thirty that use hybrids, and a couple of missile ships? Drones are very much a secondary weapon system for gallente, just like missiles with Minmatar/Amarr or hybrids with Caldari.

Goose99 Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 82	Posted - 2011.10.26 19:58:00 - [11] - Quote Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote: Gallente have...what....seven subcap combat ships with bonused drones? Versus about thirty that use hybrids, and a couple of missile ships? Drones are very much a secondary weapon system for gallente, just like missiles with Minmatar/Amarr or hybrids with Caldari. Caldari has hybrids as primary, missiles secondary. Amarr has no secondary according to Eve lore, which only base on t1 line. Arbitrator with drones are about as close to secondary as it gets. Gallante has 3 secondary boats, Vexor, Myrm and Domi.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 62	Posted - 2011.10.26 20:05:00 - [12] - Quote Hestia Mar wrote: Bearing in mind that Gallente boats are generally drone boats, the new BC should be a Command Ship with drone bonuses - either more drones available (7 instead of 5), or bonuses to drone range and damage...and fleet bonuses so that a gang of Vexors or Myrms would have a raison d'etre. There would be no reason Gallente to design a new BC with a weaker tank, and not increase the effects of drones which are their main weapons. Flame away... I like drones. Despite their absolutely incompetent AI and tendency to do exactly the opposite of what you most need them to do, they were the first weapon tree I maxed. I've long wished that maybe, just maybe, the current Astarte could be replaced with an updated version of the old Eos, relegating the blaster ship to the link role. But this? This is a terrible idea. The Talos looks like it can and will absolutely facefuck anything it catches, which is exactly what Gallente ship should be.
thrulinn The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.10.26 20:36:00 - [13] - Quote When I missing run all I use are drone's. my gun is just to gain aggro. Not sure I would want a ship like this. My domi is good enough. Don't use BCs much any longer but still not a very good idea.
SilentSkills Estrale Frontiers 13	Posted - 2011.10.26 20:47:00 - [14] - Quote NO
XXSketchxx Remote Soviet Industries 63	Posted - 2011.10.26 20:49:00 - [15] - Quote They're not command ships. Good reading skills though.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2011.10.26 21:53:00 - [16] - Quote Goose99 wrote: Gallante has 3 secondary boats, Vexor, Myrm and Domi. Navy Vexor, Navy Domi, Sin, Ishtar Ishkur and Eos also have a drone bay bonus, and the imicus has a drone control range bonus
Arazel Chainfire Fury Lords Apex United 11	Posted - 2011.10.27 00:42:00 - [17] - Quote Hestia Mar wrote: Bearing in mind that Gallente boats are generally drone boats, the new BC should be a Command Ship with drone bonuses - either more drones available (7 instead of 5), or bonuses to drone range and damage...and fleet bonuses so that a gang of Vexors or Myrms would have a raison d'etre. There would be no reason Gallente to design a new BC with a weaker tank, and not increase the effects of drones which are their main weapons. Flame away... H What the hell gave you the idea that gallente boats are generally drone boats? The only way that you could have gotten this silly notion is because hybrids previously sucked, so the few gallente ships that were still in use were drone boats. Thankfully, they are working on fixing this sorry state of affairs. However, I do think that it is high time to reverse that stupid ass damn nerf that certain idiots managed to get pushed through for the myrm nerf. It had never been OP in the first place, and the nerf just worked to make it the WORST teir 2 BC, instead of comparable with the others. Oh... and heavy drones AREN'T ***** BATTLESHIP SIZED WEAPONS YOU ***** TARDS! -Arazel
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors 139	Posted - 2011.10.27 01:23:00 - [18] - Quote Arazel Chainfire wrote: However, I do think that it is high time to reverse that stupid ass damn nerf that certain idiots managed to get pushed through for the myrm nerf. It had never been OP in the first place, and the nerf just worked to make it the WORST teir 2 BC, instead of comparable with the others. WHAT? Linky please. edit: wait... is this a nerf coming with the next expansion or are you referring to the old nerf way back in the day where the Myrm's ability to field 5 heavy drones was taken away? Because that old nerf was somewhat justified given the Myrm's other abilities. "Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown
Cunane Jeran 17	Posted - 2011.10.27 01:39:00 - [19] - Quote This boat needs Blasters. The more the better. Another drone boat can go die in a fire tbh.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2011.10.27 01:41:00 - [20] - Quote Worst tier 2? Someone has never fought a tri rep myrm in pvp...

Songbird 35	Posted - 2011.10.27 03:48:00 - [21] - Quote it is the worst tier 2 - it's dps bonus applies to it's 5 medium drones ffs - the only good fits of the myrm don't even field gallente guns. And as for the tri-rep myrm - it's a MULTI-player game - you should have logistics rep you- if you're facing big enough fleet you will die before you have time to cycle the reppers even once. just look at the other 3 BC , gun and gun cap use, gun and gun, missiles and resists. Now myrm gets 5 medium drones - with the bonus 237 DPS - woohooo - I better watch out for those myrm fleets - nearly invulnerable with their triple reppers - it's the scourge of the low secs. I just hope that the new BC is fast enough to be able to use that web bonus, cause as wildly popular as the Brutix is this new one just might have some big shoes to fill.
Jesus Rambo Friendship is Magic The Laughing Men 2	Posted - 2011.10.27 05:00:00 - [22] - Quote Songbird wrote: it is the worst tier 2 - it's dps bonus applies to it's 5 medium drones ffs - the only good fits of the myrm don't even field gallente guns. And as for the tri-rep myrm - it's a MULTI-player game - you should have logistics rep you- if you're facing big enough fleet you will die before you have time to cycle the reppers even once. Nope.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors 139	Posted - 2011.10.27 05:12:00 - [23] - Quote Songbird... it sounds like you do more large scale fleets than small gangs. The Myrm is supposed to be a small gang battlecruiser... not a fleet ship. More than that, it possesses adaptability and numerous fits that the other 3 battlecruisers cannot match due to it's slot configuration, lack of turret bonus (it can use whatever it wants), and largish drone bay. Here are two of my favorites: [Myrmidon - Immabrickwatchmesit] [Lows] Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Reactive Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I [Mids] ECCM - Gravametric II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webbifier II [Highs] Light Neutron Blaster II Light Neutron Blaster II Light Neutron Blaster II Light Neutron Blaster II Light Neutron Blaster II Medium Energy Neutralizer II [Rigs] Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I [Drones] 2x Ogre II 2x Hammerhead II 1x Hobgoblin II 5x Warrior II 5x Vespa EC-600 Notes: Moves like a bloated whale, but has 100k+ EHP (more with slave implants) with above average resistances, and dishes ~450 DPS. Cap lasts about 5 minutes with the MWD off. Tactics: Pretty self explanatory... it's bait (that can also work semi-solo). The best part about this fit is that people expect the Myrmidon to be "squishy"... so they tend to make it "primary" in a gang fight. It's only until people get the armor down to 75% that they realize how much buffer it has and scramble to another, "softer," primary target. [Myrmidon - ImmaGankBrutixbutbetter] [Lows] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II [Mids] Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Scrambler II [Highs] Heavy Neutron Blaster II Heavy Neutron Blaster II Heavy Neutron Blaster II Heavy Neutron Blaster II Heavy Neutron Blaster II Small Nosferatu II [Rigs] Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I [Drones] 2x Ogre II 2x Hammerhead II 1x Hobgoblin II 5x Warrior II 5x Vespa EC-600 Notes: About ~60k EHP with so-so resists, has a max speed of ~1100 m/sec, and pumps out ~600 DPS. Tactics: Imagine you are flying a Hurricane... but you are bulkier, dish out a fair bit more DPS and half your damage output comes from a weapon system that is independent of you (and thus free from any "issues" that might be afflicting you). Now... you CAN kite targets if you load the turrets with Null ammo, but it's much more fun (and effective) to go in with weapons overloaded and with faction Antimatter in them. "Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown
Omnathious Deninard M'Tar Deadspace Guard Night Sky Alliance 0	Posted - 2011.10.27 05:13:00 - [24] - Quote I agree that Gallente needs a deticated drone ship but that would have to involve allowing a sub capital ship to control more than 5 drones which I do not see happening. The new BC though are going to be incredible if they are left as is, I looked through the data on them and as far as I can tell they are going to be big destroyers with really big guns or missiles in the case of Caldari
Cillet Baang Scott University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.10.27 05:55:00 - [25] - Quote Hi!.. Barry Scott here. Hope they do something about cruise missiles. Because as it is, I am not training that skill past level 1.
Onictus Legendary Knights Vorpal's Edge 3	Posted - 2011.10.27 06:09:00 - [26] - Quote Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote: Worst tier 2? Someone has never fought a tri rep myrm in pvp... Or double plater..... Both are a hell of a lot of fun and don't need their guns at all to push 500DPS specially if you get them in your webs. So far as it goes, the Talos is going to be essentially the Brutix from hell, large blasters have about double the useful range of meduims so in gangs its going to wreck **** with that web bonus and a blaster loving.
Lord Mandelor Consolidated Holdings War Ensemble. 6	Posted - 2011.10.27 07:13:00 - [27] - Quote Nah, the Gallente have plenty of drone boats already. ConHo Daily: http://conhodaily.blogspot.com Stories ranging from midgets inside your Damage Control to drones becoming self-aware.
Hungry Eyes Ministry of War Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2011.10.27 08:20:00 - [28] - Quote i wish theyd just fix the Eos. wouldnt need a BC drone boat then. domi, ishtar and ishkur are some of the best in the class. people also need to stop counting the myrm's blaster dps as dps. the myrm cant catch ANYTHING, and the only viable dps fit involves medium autocannons.
Onictus Legendary Knights Vorpal's Edge 3	Posted - 2011.10.27 09:38:00 - [29] - Quote That is debatable. I have a number sub 5 man BC gang kills that my little no blaster deeps Myrm did more damage than the other four guys....its just a matter of getting them pinned down.
Cron Moonvexor The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2011.10.27 12:06:00 - [30] - Quote OMG! 90% SpeedPenalty for Talos' web !! Looks like CCP reads my thoughts and goes right way =) http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5238/taloample.jpg I think we need give the devs a hint about giving gallente blaster ships interesting bonuses for stasis webs)) For ex., bonus on web's range for large ships and speedpenalty bonus on fast agile ships. Truly, if Galls are not outstanding in speed and turrets range, they should be OUTSTANDING in their webs' range! =)

Fronkfurter McSheebleton Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 9	Posted - 2011.10.27 12:12:00 - [31] - Quote Agreed, web range would be a much better tool for a blaster boat, though 90% webs are quite nice on the occasion that you actually manage to catch something.
Naomi Knight Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2011.10.27 12:38:00 - [32] - Quote No way , gall already has the dominix which is very close to being a bc itself , i think new tier 3 bc would cost around tier 1 bs cost , so what would be the difference between this and a domi ? Very little ,so why to make a new class just for that? It should be a heavily hybrid oriented ship without drones.
X Gallentius Quantum Cats Syndicate 26	Posted - 2011.10.27 15:28:00 - [33] - Quote Nah, until they improve drones let's stick to the proposed omgwtfpwn boat called the Talos. I'd like to own at least one Gallente ship that can nano around the battlefield with the rest of my fleetmates and not feel like a cripple.
Boodreau The Elysian Horde Elysian Empire 0	Posted - 2011.10.27 16:00:00 - [34] - Quote They just unvailed some pictures of the Talos. Eve Gate home page, bottom left, there is a link for it. It is described as "smaller, more expendable vindicator". I know it looks really good.
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 63	Posted - 2011.10.27 19:05:00 - [35] - Quote Cillet Baang Scott wrote: Hi!.. Barry Scott here. Hope they do something about cruise missiles. Because as it is, I am not training that skill past level 1. TP's+Rigor +spec = win, now if you want to hunt dramiels with you're better with light's
Naomi Knight Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2011.10.27 19:09:00 - [36] - Quote Tanya Powers wrote: Cillet Baang Scott wrote: Hi!.. Barry Scott here. Hope they do something about cruise missiles. Because as it is, I am not training that skill past level 1. TP's+Rigor +spec = win, now if you want to hunt dramiels with you're better with light's no cruise missiles are crap, too low explosion velocity with too high sig radius and delay is way too high at their intended range
bloomeh Ghost Militia BricK sQuAD. 0	Posted - 2011.10.28 08:00:00 - [37] - Quote I wouldn't have a problem with it being a drone boat with 125. Give it a bonus to heavy drone dmg and a bonus to sentry range to compete with the others. With a flight of ogre IIs it would do mean close range damage and with a flight of T2 sentries it could hit decent sniper range and do mean damage. It's an idea anyways. Just because it's not how you would play it doesn't mean it's fail folks. It just means it is a different play style than you play.
Onictus Legendary Knights Vorpal's Edge 3	Posted - 2011.10.28 08:16:00 - [38] - Quote Naomi Knight wrote: No way , gall already has the dominix which is very close to being a bc itself , i think new tier 3 bc would cost around tier 1 bs cost , so what would be the difference between this and a domi ? Very little ,so why to make a new class just for that? It should be a heavily hybrid oriented ship without drones. Essentially because everyone else is getting them. Plus, while the Domi is cheap, its not exactly fast, and its not an ideal roamer outside of R/R BS gangs or the ever-lovable neut-you-hell fit. I'd seriously laugh my ass off the first nano-domi I killed. From the test server changes Talos only has a 25m3 drone bay, so that is 5 lights, period. Gallente have plenty of drone boats, If I wanted to rely on drones (which I certainly don't) I'd just fly an Ishkur or Ishtar. However tackling people and waiting for your drones to catch up sucks, so I rarely fly non-bait plated ships with heavy drones.
Barbelo Valentinian The Scope Gallente Federation 101	Posted - 2011.10.28 18:47:00 - [39] - Quote I think the Talos should have one of them CPU reduction bonuses for Drone Control Units so it can fit up to two Drone Control Units if it wants to. That would be fun.
Calapine Xeno Tech Corp Flatline. 6	Posted - 2011.10.28 23:26:00 - [40] - Quote Disagree (sorry!). A Talos as blaster-gank-BC fits much better into the glasscannon theme CCP has chosen for the new Tier 3s. Myrmidon on the other hand could need a little tweak. It's a rather good ship, the problem is it plays in the same category as the very good Hurricane or Drake. A little more drone bandwidth (lets say 100 m/bit) would go a long way. Cala

Leo Hornet Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2011.10.28 23:33:00 - [41] - Quote Shadowsword wrote: Hestia Mar wrote: Bearing in mind that Gallente boats are generally drone boats, the new BC should be a Command Ship with drone bonuses - either more drones available (7 instead of 5), or bonuses to drone range and damage...and fleet bonuses so that a gang of Vexors or Myrms would have a raison d'etre. There would be no reason Gallente to design a new BC with a weaker tank, and not increase the effects of drones which are their main weapons. Flame away... H Every other BC will be able to fit for firing at 15km or 150+km, and you want to pigeon-hole the gallente BC to close range. Sound great...not. Hmm, what if said BC bonus extended to Sentrys. Range, ROF and Damage bonuses would be pretty nasty. A group of them dropping sentry drones and hitting you from 100Km would be pretty mean. Aka MiniDomi.
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2011.10.29 00:57:00 - [42] - Quote Given that these are, if I read correctly, supposed to be weak against smaller ships, a drone bonus works against that. It surprises me that the initial build had any drones at all. The web bonus seems wrong as well. 10%/lvl seems too strong for a T1 ship that is supposed to be weak against it's smaller counterparts.
Desudes Pixelmoon The Star League 8	Posted - 2011.10.29 02:20:00 - [43] - Quote If you give it sentry bonuses you become stationary dps, unless you want a frig to waltz over and pop your dps. What you can do, on the other hand, is please give the proteus 25 more bandwidth, give the Eos 125 bandwidth plus dmg bonus, don't touch the Myrm and for god sakes keep the Talos rolling around with 8 hybrids (tracking bonus instead of web bonus so rails are benefitted would stand to reason but I'll take either!). FOR THE DESU!!!
Dalloway Jones Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 44	Posted - 2011.10.29 03:12:00 - [44] - Quote The Gallente BC line already has a drone boat with the Myrmidon. I would guess that the Talos will have a bigger or slightly better drone bay than the other 3 races new BC's but it won't be a drone boat.


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