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Khergit Deserters Crom's Angels 1398	Posted - 2013.07.26 18:49:00 - [1] - Quote Oh come on. Now BBC is trying to claim that baseball was invented in the U.K. Everybody knows that the U.S. civil war general Abner Doubleday invented baseball. Just give it a rest guys, will you? Baseball: Prince of Wales played 'first' game in Surrey
Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 25629	Posted - 2013.07.26 19:03:00 - [2] - Quote Next thing you tell me Americans think they made Apple pie first and free market economics. All in our hallowed Land of Hope and Glory... Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 5351	Posted - 2013.07.26 19:33:00 - [3] - Quote Isnt this akin to Ensign Chekov's constant blathering about how everything was a Russian inwention? *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 25652	Posted - 2013.07.26 19:50:00 - [4] - Quote Not exactly, the American colonies were integrally as British as Scotland, Wales, Ireland and England. Also demographically The whole country has around 8 million people at the time, around 2.5 million of them in the 13 colonies. Baseball was a sport developed before independence and probably before the Mayflower, hence so much British culture from before 1774 is the same on both sides. We're all speaking English for one, there's nothing wrong with it we are up until very recently in the grand scheme the same nation spread over the Atlantic Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!
jason hill The Riot Formation 330	Posted - 2013.07.26 20:28:00 - [5] - Quote baseball ! ist it that game played by children ...commonly referred to in the UK as ROUNDERS ? next you will be telling me that DARPA invented to world wide web ? pops out to get some popcorn to get ready for the flame fest to begin
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 5357	Posted - 2013.07.26 20:47:00 - [6] - Quote jason hill wrote: next you will be telling me that DARPA invented to world wide web ? Nope. Invented by Al Gore after his stunning defeat of Manbearpig in 1977. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Ila Gant Hedion University Amarr Empire 323	Posted - 2013.07.26 20:51:00 - [7] - Quote jason hill wrote: baseball ! ist it that game played by children ...commonly referred to in the UK as ROUNDERS ? next you will be telling me that DARPA invented to world wide web ? pops out to get some popcorn to get ready for the flame fest to begin I thought the web was a CERN thing... But ARPANet... That was connected to DARPA. Baseball was sort of Henry Forded, if I may verb the name. Adopted and marketed as America's own.
Khergit Deserters Crom's Angels 1402	Posted - 2013.07.26 20:53:00 - [8] - Quote (After some intensive research (in Wikipedia) on rounders) Yes, it does appear that rounders is a corrupted version of the American game of baseball. Interesting. I wonder how that crossed over the pond from the U.S. to the U.K.?
Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 25662	Posted - 2013.07.26 20:54:00 - [9] - Quote Henry Forded? Simplidied and mass produced? Whichever way you skin it, its still a game played over here in a similar way to Football (soccer) is in the US back in the 70's 80's. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!
Khergit Deserters Crom's Angels 1402	Posted - 2013.07.26 21:03:00 - [10] - Quote Kirjava wrote: Not exactly, the American colonies were integrally as British as Scotland, Wales, Ireland and England. Also demographically The whole country has around 8 million people at the time, around 2.5 million of them in the 13 colonies. Baseball was a sport developed before independence and probably before the Mayflower, hence so much British culture from before 1774 is the same on both sides. We're all speaking English for one, there's nothing wrong with it we are up until very recently in the grand scheme the same nation spread over the Atlantic Yes. I'm reading a book about guerillas and counterinsurgency atm. It says that during the American Revolution, the British army considered the colonials as still "British," so they were pretty lenient with captured guerillas. Actually it seems the colonials considered themselves British too, and not yet "Americans." Most of them had no problem with Britain itself, they just didn't like the government's policies. Hope the above lack of controversy or humor doesn't kill the thread. Flame on!

Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 25668	Posted - 2013.07.26 21:15:00 - [11] - Quote It was a minority that imposed its will on the majority from what I understand. Look where the money goes, who owned slaves in the American founders and what was Britian moving to do to dismantle the slave trade. Arguable the lack of slave trade left the north out of the market and gave economic incentive to be opposed to slavery in addition to moral. So indirectly, the American Rebellion and the American Civil War were both caused by the same policy in London. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!
jason hill The Riot Formation 330	Posted - 2013.07.26 23:26:00 - [12] - Quote Khergit Deserters wrote: (After some intensive research (in Wikipedia) on rounders) Yes, it does appear that rounders is a corrupted version of the American game of baseball. Interesting. I wonder how that crossed over the pond from the U.S. to the U.K.? probably the same way that American football is passed off as rugby but here in the rugby world we don't bother with the pads and helmets ..im not a rugby fan as such ....but I have watched American football and my wife has met a bloke called ricardo toomer (not sure if that's the right spelling) and she asked him about comparisions ... his appararent reply was ..he would not play rugby as its too dangerous .. as the americans would say ...go figure
jason hill The Riot Formation 330	Posted - 2013.07.26 23:33:00 - [13] - Quote oh and for the sake of balance cricket the first actual recorded version of cricket is a 16th century portrait of the game is done by a dutch painter ..so cricket might not actually be an English game but then again neither is golf ...its Scottish
Eurydia Vespasian Nova Insula Mining and Industrial 4038	Posted - 2013.07.27 01:26:00 - [14] - Quote as long as they don't challenge the obvious fact that the hobbit, bandobras "bullroarer" took, invented the game of golf at the battle of greenfields by knocking that goblins head off and it went rolling down a rabbit hole.
Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 25698	Posted - 2013.07.27 09:52:00 - [15] - Quote jason hill wrote: but then again neither is golf ...its Scottish This Scotsman finds no issue with this. Note to self, learn to play Golf... Wait seriously I thought that in NFL they play much more brutaly due to the fact they wear armour. Huh. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!
Fearghaz Tiwas ZOMBIEBEACHPARTYPATROL 20	Posted - 2013.07.30 15:03:00 - [16] - Quote As an english person that has played both rugby and american football, they are not the same. In rugby, tackling is about taking somebody to ground, often by dragging them. This is not effective in american football, because if you tackle like that the offence gets minimum 3 yards a down. Tackling in american football is about stopping the person dead on the spot. That isn't to say that you don't get brutal tackles in Rugby, or that every tackle in american football is harder, but its a different technique altogether. If you tried to american football tackle in a rugby match, you would likely really hurt yourself or the other person, and it would be a penalty. Obviously the pads do make things generally less painful/brutal though
Slade Trillgon Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 740	Posted - 2013.07.30 15:20:00 - [17] - Quote Kirjava wrote: jason hill wrote: but then again neither is golf ...its Scottish This Scotsman finds no issue with this. Note to self, learn to play Golf... Wait seriously I thought that in NFL they play much more brutaly due to the fact they wear armour. Huh. From someone that has played both they are both brutal in their own rights. The standard way to tackle is very different in both, but both NFL and Rugby players utilize both forms of tackles. In NFL the defender typically hits someone as hard as they can and try to push them backwards. In Rugby the defender typically utilizes the ball holders momentum to basically suplex the individual to the ground. Rugby players try to utilize the momentum of the ball holder to take them to the ground while the NFL player tries to totally stop and move the ball holder in the other direction. That being said the NFL and Rugby players use both forms of tackles it is just that the ones described are the predominant form. Basically NFL players will lower their heads and try to battering ram the ball holder. Rugby players try to pick them up and slam them to the ground. Both very violent and both create very similar incidence rates of the same types of injuries.
Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 26471	Posted - 2013.07.30 15:29:00 - [18] - Quote Aye, we had an NFL here a few years back, was popular as Rugby is the main sport I reckon here and the major tournaments are a bit rarer than the fans would like. Pity it got closed down, I was starting to get interested in the sport (we saw it as a similar sport to Rugby than we did to Football) but hey, what can you do. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!
Domanique Altares Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 704	Posted - 2013.07.31 07:15:00 - [19] - Quote Both stories are utter fabrications anyway. Baseball was invented in the beautiful island nation of Cuba, from which comes the finest players of the game that money can buy. Rifterlings Corporation is now recruiting pilots for faction warfare solo & small gang frigate PvP. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter.

CCP Falcon 3665	Posted - 2013.07.31 11:32:00 - [20] - Quote This is where baseball's roots are. The US did technically invent Baseball, but it's a spin off from a game that's been played in the UK for centuries which leads to a lot of arguments. The vast majority of sports that exist in the USA are the same as the foundations of it's culture; an amalgamation of ideas from many countries brought over when the US was colonized by Europe. I think the only sport that's really "truly" american is stock car racing, which evolved from people illegally running hooch across state lines in cars modified specifically to do so. CCP Falcon -á \|\| -á EVE Community Team -á \|\| -á EVE Illuminati -á \|\| -á Live Events Organizer @CCP_Falcon -á \|\| -á-á@EVE_LiveEvents


Hrothgar Nilsson 384	Posted - 2013.07.31 18:16:00 - [21] - Quote CCP Falcon wrote: This is where baseball's roots are. The US did technically invent Baseball, but it's a spin off from a game that's been played in the UK for centuries which leads to a lot of arguments. The vast majority of sports that exist in the USA are the same as the foundations of it's culture; an amalgamation of ideas from many countries brought over when the US was colonized by Europe. I think the only sport that's really "truly" american is stock car racing, which evolved from people illegally running hooch across state lines in cars modified specifically to do so. Basketball and volleyball are independently developed American sports. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8
Graygor 1kB Realty 1kB Galactic 47281	Posted - 2013.07.31 18:39:00 - [22] - Quote Im still waiting for the Chinese to claim they invented it 2,500 years ago. They seem to be trying to claim everything else as of late. "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara "I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commisar Kate
Khergit Deserters Crom's Angels 1417	Posted - 2013.07.31 20:13:00 - [23] - Quote OK, so America didn't invent baseball after all. But we invented minor league baseball mascots. My favorite is Ballapeno for the San Antonio Missions. Looks like he's have a googly eyes equipment fail. Click around some of the other leagues for some equally cheap and weird characters. Barley in the Northwest League might be a disguised Cthulhu.
Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 27049	Posted - 2013.08.02 14:13:00 - [24] - Quote US should take credit for what the world takes pride in its achievement. Chearleaders with really short mini skirts ....Also mini skirts are a British thing But then you guys have Daisy Dukes. Nuff said. Anglobrofist! Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!
Graygor 1kB Realty 1kB Galactic 48003	Posted - 2013.08.02 15:55:00 - [25] - Quote Kirjava wrote: US should take credit for what the world takes pride in its achievement. Chearleaders with really short mini skirts ....Also mini skirts are a British thing But then you guys have Daisy Dukes. Nuff said. Anglobrofist! But then asia took the miniskirt to the true belt length. Evolution ftw! "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara "I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commisar Kate
Myfanwy Heimdal Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc 302	Posted - 2013.08.02 17:43:00 - [26] - Quote Khergit Deserters wrote: (After some intensive research (in Wikipedia) on rounders) Yes, it does appear that rounders is a corrupted version of the American game of baseball. Interesting. I wonder how that crossed over the pond from the U.S. to the U.K.? Baseball was very popular in the UK once upon a time. There was an old football stadium belonging to Derby County which was, I think 99 years old, referred to as "The Baseball Ground". It was popular here in UK well before the two world wars but it fizzled out. There is still a forerunner of the game still played called 'Welsh Baseball' which is clearly an older variant of the sport. It's not played much at all but it does seem to survive a little in the Lancashire and Liverpool areas. The thing is that, like football, no-one knows where it came from originally as foot/ball and bat/ball games have been going on forever and it's only when the laws of the games are put into code when one can really put a marker on the sport. It's going to be hard to say where baseball came from but perhaps it may be safe to say that the modern version was born in the US but where it came from it's going to be impossible to say. It's like saying where does golf come from? There's records and paintings of Dutch people with stick and ball well before it went to Scotland but it was they who codified the game's laws. But dig deep enough and baseball's predecessors would most likely have come from elsewhere. But where? GÇ£No man ought to commit his life into the hands of that Physician, who is ignorant of Astrologic: because he is a Physician of no value.GÇ¥ - Nicholas Culpeper
Myfanwy Heimdal Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc 302	Posted - 2013.08.02 17:48:00 - [27] - Quote jason hill wrote: oh and for the sake of balance cricket the first actual recorded version of cricket is a 16th century portrait of the game is done by a dutch painter ..so cricket might not actually be an English game but then again neither is golf ...its Scottish Cricket has its origins in the Indian sub-continent. I don't think that any true cricket afficionado would ever claim that it was derived in England. Trying to force the topic back on track; how many people actually know that the first recorded international match between two nations was cricket? It was played between Canada and the US. Canada, I understand, won. GÇ£No man ought to commit his life into the hands of that Physician, who is ignorant of Astrologic: because he is a Physician of no value.GÇ¥ - Nicholas Culpeper
jason hill The Riot Formation 335	Posted - 2013.08.02 18:30:00 - [28] - Quote Hrothgar Nilsson wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: This is where baseball's roots are. The US did technically invent Baseball, but it's a spin off from a game that's been played in the UK for centuries which leads to a lot of arguments. The vast majority of sports that exist in the USA are the same as the foundations of it's culture; an amalgamation of ideas from many countries brought over when the US was colonized by Europe. I think the only sport that's really "truly" american is stock car racing, which evolved from people illegally running hooch across state lines in cars modified specifically to do so. Basketball and volleyball are independently developed American sports. meh ...the only decent game the yanks have created ...is wimmins beach volleyball not that I`m a pervy or anything
Khergit Deserters Crom's Angels 1428	Posted - 2013.08.03 16:29:00 - [29] - Quote jason hill wrote: Hrothgar Nilsson wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: This is where baseball's roots are. The US did technically invent Baseball, but it's a spin off from a game that's been played in the UK for centuries which leads to a lot of arguments. The vast majority of sports that exist in the USA are the same as the foundations of it's culture; an amalgamation of ideas from many countries brought over when the US was colonized by Europe. I think the only sport that's really "truly" american is stock car racing, which evolved from people illegally running hooch across state lines in cars modified specifically to do so. Basketball and volleyball are independently developed American sports. meh ...the only decent game the yanks have created ...is wimmins beach volleyball not that I`m a pervy or anything Women's beach volleyball is the only Olympic sport. At least, if you watch American network TV coverage of the summer Olympics, that's all you see.
duglas Luven Confederate Industry and Investments Inc. Confederacy of Stellar Empires 137	Posted - 2013.08.05 11:05:00 - [30] - Quote The core objective of baseball is to run home.

Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 27101	Posted - 2013.08.05 12:09:00 - [31] - Quote Graygor wrote: Kirjava wrote: US should take credit for what the world takes pride in its achievement. Chearleaders with really short mini skirts ....Also mini skirts are a British thing But then you guys have Daisy Dukes. Nuff said. Anglobrofist! But then asia took the miniskirt to the true belt length. Evolution ftw! Asian girls don't have the arse for it. Turns out Brazilian girls do. Mini Kilt. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!
Disturbed Pilot Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 18	Posted - 2013.08.07 03:20:00 - [32] - Quote hi five to this topic
Astenion Eternal Profiteers Eternal Syndicate 275	Posted - 2013.08.08 22:50:00 - [33] - Quote Who gives a ****? INB4 some waspish Brit jumps in with his incorrect assumption that it's the same thing as rounders. INB4 some ignorant American says something equally stupid in retort.
Kirjava Lothian Enterprises 27892	Posted - 2013.08.08 22:59:00 - [34] - Quote Astenion wrote: Who gives a ****? INB4 some waspish Brit jumps in with his incorrect assumption that it's the same thing as rounders. INB4 some ignorant American says something equally stupid in retort. Way too late for the first one and this is OOPE, so the latter is considerably beneath average in probability. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. /S¦¦GùòGÇ+GÇ+GùòS¦¦\ Unban Saede!
Khergit Deserters Crom's Angels 1471	Posted - 2013.08.09 00:28:00 - [35] - Quote Kirjava wrote: Astenion wrote: Who gives a ****? INB4 some waspish Brit jumps in with his incorrect assumption that it's the same thing as rounders. INB4 some ignorant American says something equally stupid in retort. Way too late for the first one and this is OOPE, so the latter is considerably beneath average in probability. Damn straight. Anyway, this is just a sister thread to the "Bored" thread elsewhere in OOPE. It's been slow, it's the summer off-season, you know.


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