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Lee Hyo-Ri
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.27 14:48:00 -
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Thinking about going towards logi training. How badly do fw corps need fleet logi? |
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
295
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Posted - 2013.07.27 16:24:00 -
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A good logi pilot is worth his weight in bacon.
You can never have too many augorors on field |
Lee Hyo-Ri
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.28 04:39:00 -
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hmmm well i do like bacon.. |
Pannax Ni
Fweddit
I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
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Posted - 2013.07.28 11:08:00 -
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Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:A good logi pilot is worth his weight in bacon.
I'm stealing that, holy moly batman! That's an awesome metaphor / analogy (Not a native english speaker)
As for Logi in FW.
Been doing FW for 6 months now, and can tell you that good logi pilots are THE most important factor after FC, be it a 5-10-50 man fight. Logibros best bros better than the rest bros.
Both frigate and cruiser logi are more than welcome, nay, rather WANTED to join any fleet.
Say you have 10v10 frigates, the ones with Logi WILL win 9/10 times. |
Roxxo I'doCocaine
SlammaJammaBamma
31
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Posted - 2013.07.28 12:13:00 -
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Just to be clear, we are talking about T1 logistics, not T2 Logistics ships? |
Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium
Templis Dragonaors
143
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Posted - 2013.07.28 12:44:00 -
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Both are needed direly by all sides. T1 logis obviously are the most common (both frig and cruiser), though T2 are needed from time to time...especially if a side wants to field T2 cruisers/BS's.
Arma Purgatorium - For the State, For the Corporation
Faction Warfare, PvP, Training
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kraiklyn Asatru
T.R.I.A.D
319
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Posted - 2013.07.28 22:39:00 -
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Pannax Ni wrote:Machiavelli's Nemesis wrote:A good logi pilot is worth his weight in bacon. I'm stealing that, holy moly batman! That's an awesome metaphor / analogy (Not a native english speaker) As for Logi in FW. Been doing FW for 6 months now, and can tell you that good logi pilots are THE most important factor after FC, be it a 5-10-50 man fight. Logibros best bros better than the rest bros. Both frigate and cruiser logi are more than welcome, nay, rather WANTED to join any fleet. Say you have 10v10 frigates, the ones with Logi WILL win 9/10 times.
Truth, and I am saying that as a member of a corp that doesn't do logi :)
<3 fweddit I miss you bastards |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
A T O N E M E N T
497
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Posted - 2013.07.29 01:13:00 -
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Depends on the faction and their commonly used fleet comps.
What I have noticed is In smaller cruiser gangs where everyone is running armour tanks, logi is great.
You will be very valuable to these fleets.
The logi has time to get reps on before too much of your main tank is eaten into.
The Gallente have this working very well.
They can broadcast reps when they see their shield being hit and this buys them a small time advantage before their main tank is eaten into. That extra few seconds seem to really make a lot of difference to the outcome of an engagement.
A few times I have been in fleets when Caldari have tried shield logi set ups and it really hasn't worked out.
By the time you broadcast for reps and they are applied a lot of the time you are already as good as dead.
If I look at many battles we have won and lost it seems ECM and Damps are more valuable in shield fleets to counter the logi than using logi to counter logi.
In a cruiser fight - I would rather have more Black Birds on field jamming enemy reps than Ospreys repping me but then again - I'm crap at logi so maybe it's just that ECM suits what we do better.
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Pannax Ni
Fweddit
I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
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Posted - 2013.07.29 11:03:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:
They can broadcast reps when they see their shield being hit
Broadcasting for reps should be done as soon as you see the entire enemy gang yellowbox you.
It should also be mappped to a keyboard shortcut. |
JAF Anders
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
117
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Posted - 2013.07.29 18:42:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Depends on the faction and their commonly used fleet comps.
What I have noticed is In smaller cruiser gangs where everyone is running armour tanks, logi is great.
You will be very valuable to these fleets.
The logi has time to get reps on before too much of your main tank is eaten into.
The Gallente have this working very well.
They can broadcast reps when they see their shield being hit and this buys them a small time advantage before their main tank is eaten into. That extra few seconds seem to really make a lot of difference to the outcome of an engagement.
A few times I have been in fleets when Caldari have tried shield logi set ups and it really hasn't worked out.
By the time you broadcast for reps and they are applied a lot of the time you are already as good as dead.
Remember that Armor reps land at the end of the cycle whereas Shield reps land at the beginning, and that once the shields go down once and you remain targeted, the early-warning system is gone.
Food for thought. |
Lee Hyo-Ri
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.29 20:28:00 -
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I've done logi in guardians in incursions in a prior lifetime. would fleet combat be very similar or more intensive because of the more unpredictable human component of target calling and immediate response? |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
A T O N E M E N T
497
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Posted - 2013.07.30 03:27:00 -
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JAF Anders wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:Depends on the faction and their commonly used fleet comps.
What I have noticed is In smaller cruiser gangs where everyone is running armour tanks, logi is great.
You will be very valuable to these fleets.
The logi has time to get reps on before too much of your main tank is eaten into.
The Gallente have this working very well.
They can broadcast reps when they see their shield being hit and this buys them a small time advantage before their main tank is eaten into. That extra few seconds seem to really make a lot of difference to the outcome of an engagement.
A few times I have been in fleets when Caldari have tried shield logi set ups and it really hasn't worked out.
By the time you broadcast for reps and they are applied a lot of the time you are already as good as dead.
Remember that Armor reps land at the end of the cycle whereas Shield reps land at the beginning, and that once the shields go down once and you remain targeted, the early-warning system is gone. Food for thought.
Good point.
Someone above mentioned adding broadcast as a keyboard shortcut - that is a great idea and might really help buy a second or two for most people in the cluster fck of windows eve is.
We really need to get more experience using logi.
The Gallente have more experienced logi pilots too which really makes their effectiveness stand out.
Hopefully in time we can get it to flow - will be a few dead ospreys while we get it going but might be worth derping some isk to get decent at it.
Till then I'll keep saying - JAM THEIR LOGI BRO. 
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Morgan Torry
Arma Purgatorium
Templis Dragonaors
143
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Posted - 2013.07.30 12:20:00 -
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Lee Hyo-Ri wrote:I've done logi in guardians in incursions in a prior lifetime. would fleet combat be very similar or more intensive because of the more unpredictable human component of target calling and immediate response?
Will using a ship for PvP differ from using it in a PvE environment? Of course. Logi'ing in a PvP scenario is true logistics. Not everyone broadcasts as well as in most incursion sites and half the time you find yourself EWAR/primaried. You also learn to use and value the watchlist for your logibros and known FCs/leaders in your fleet. You also learn how to react to damps, ECM, etc.. when cap chaining. So much more intensive and individually demanding in a PvP scenario....like any other vessel.
Arma Purgatorium - For the State, For the Corporation
Faction Warfare, PvP, Training
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Cal Stantson
I.I.I
60
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Posted - 2013.07.30 13:13:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Depends on the faction and their commonly used fleet comps.
What I have noticed is In smaller cruiser gangs where everyone is running armour tanks, logi is great.
You will be very valuable to these fleets.
The logi has time to get reps on before too much of your main tank is eaten into.
The Gallente have this working very well.
They can broadcast reps when they see their shield being hit and this buys them a small time advantage before their main tank is eaten into. That extra few seconds seem to really make a lot of difference to the outcome of an engagement.
A few times I have been in fleets when Caldari have tried shield logi set ups and it really hasn't worked out.
By the time you broadcast for reps and they are applied a lot of the time you are already as good as dead.
If I look at many battles we have won and lost it seems ECM and Damps are more valuable in shield fleets to counter the logi than using logi to counter logi.
In a cruiser fight - I would rather have more Black Birds on field jamming enemy reps than Ospreys repping me but then again - I'm crap at logi so maybe it's just that ECM suits what we do better.
The flaw in your reasoning is that you attribute your failure to the "shield logi" part rather than the "Caldari" part. Plenty of people run shield cruisers just fine. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
497
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Posted - 2013.07.30 23:17:00 -
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Cal Stantson wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:Depends on the faction and their commonly used fleet comps.
What I have noticed is In smaller cruiser gangs where everyone is running armour tanks, logi is great.
You will be very valuable to these fleets.
The logi has time to get reps on before too much of your main tank is eaten into.
The Gallente have this working very well.
They can broadcast reps when they see their shield being hit and this buys them a small time advantage before their main tank is eaten into. That extra few seconds seem to really make a lot of difference to the outcome of an engagement.
A few times I have been in fleets when Caldari have tried shield logi set ups and it really hasn't worked out.
By the time you broadcast for reps and they are applied a lot of the time you are already as good as dead.
If I look at many battles we have won and lost it seems ECM and Damps are more valuable in shield fleets to counter the logi than using logi to counter logi.
In a cruiser fight - I would rather have more Black Birds on field jamming enemy reps than Ospreys repping me but then again - I'm crap at logi so maybe it's just that ECM suits what we do better.
The flaw in your reasoning is that you attribute your failure to the "shield logi" part rather than the "Caldari" part. Plenty of people run shield cruisers just fine.
Crashing a FW plex and setting the Logi up when the enemy are already set up in the FW plex is not that easy.
If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me.
Now don't judge or question.
You are broken now, but faith can heal you.
Just do everything I tell you to do.
(Opiate - Tool) |
Pannax Ni
Fweddit
I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
22
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Posted - 2013.08.01 22:15:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote: Crashing a FW plex and setting the Logi up when the enemy are already set up in the FW plex is not that easy.
If they got in first, they took the advantage, and taking said advantage away shouldn't be easy.
That statement adds nothing to the discussion. |
Taoist Dragon
The Church of Awesome
Caldari State Capturing
532
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Posted - 2013.08.01 23:06:00 -
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Pannax Ni wrote:IbanezLaney wrote: Crashing a FW plex and setting the Logi up when the enemy are already set up in the FW plex is not that easy.
If they got in first, they took the advantage, and taking said advantage away shouldn't be easy.That statement adds nothing to the discussion.
What it does point out is that logi is easier for defending fleets than offensive fleets thats all. The op can then make an informed decision on weather they want to sepc for logi or not (initially anyways) based on how their fleets are generally operating.
That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
http://taoistdragon.blogspot.com.au/ |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
OLD MAN GANG
546
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Posted - 2013.08.01 23:07:00 -
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logi is always way to make sure enemy bring enough numbers to win your reps, so good way to get blobbed every time. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
Caldari State Capturing
502
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Posted - 2013.08.02 01:32:00 -
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Pannax Ni wrote:IbanezLaney wrote: Crashing a FW plex and setting the Logi up when the enemy are already set up in the FW plex is not that easy.
If they got in first, they took the advantage, and taking said advantage away shouldn't be easy.That statement adds nothing to the discussion.
And your post was some sort of brilliant and insightful piece of information that no one knew ???
Gee - thanks for adding sooo much to the discussion.
If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me.
Now don't judge or question.
You are broken now, but faith can heal you.
Just do everything I tell you to do.
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Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q
Iron Oxide.
52
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Posted - 2013.08.02 14:05:00 -
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T1 logi is awesome. It's much easier to get into them, they're affordable, people actually fly them, even the logi frigates have one drone to properly ***** on killmails, the only thing one could complain about is that they might actually be too good considering the huge impact they have.
Also, T1 logi brought alot of new tactics and viable gang compositions into FW and it's been lots of fun. We had some really, really awesome fights since T1 logi got introduced.
pew pew |
JAF Anders
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
117
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Posted - 2013.08.02 16:12:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:logi is always way to make sure enemy bring enough numbers to win your reps, so good way to get blobbed every time.
You've been hanging out with the Russians for too long and your English is suffering for it. |
Ersahi Kir
The Eminence Front
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
248
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Posted - 2013.08.02 17:02:00 -
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Good logi are always wanted in any kind, and any size of fleet. |
FuzzyButt
Rainbow Dash Goes Red
Rainbow Dash Friends
49
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Posted - 2013.08.03 12:54:00 -
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Logi is the key too every fight =)
PS, we are Recruiting people with logi trained <3 o/ |
DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
39
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Posted - 2013.08.03 19:11:00 -
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If your looking for real gold as a logi pilot train to fly them in the Incursions. You'll make far more ISK than running with any Fleet in a PvP Roam. |
Sai Weisman
Biohazard.
0
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Posted - 2013.08.03 19:59:00 -
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DrysonBennington wrote:If your looking for real gold as a logi pilot train to fly them in the Incursions. You'll make far more ISK than running with any Fleet in a PvP Roam.
People looking to fly logi in PvP are most likely not looking to earn isk doing it. |
Syrias Bizniz
Space-Brewery-Association
24eme Legion Etrangere
207
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Posted - 2013.08.03 21:03:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:JAF Anders wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:Depends on the faction and their commonly used fleet comps.
What I have noticed is In smaller cruiser gangs where everyone is running armour tanks, logi is great.
You will be very valuable to these fleets.
The logi has time to get reps on before too much of your main tank is eaten into.
The Gallente have this working very well.
They can broadcast reps when they see their shield being hit and this buys them a small time advantage before their main tank is eaten into. That extra few seconds seem to really make a lot of difference to the outcome of an engagement.
A few times I have been in fleets when Caldari have tried shield logi set ups and it really hasn't worked out.
By the time you broadcast for reps and they are applied a lot of the time you are already as good as dead.
Remember that Armor reps land at the end of the cycle whereas Shield reps land at the beginning, and that once the shields go down once and you remain targeted, the early-warning system is gone. Food for thought. Good point. Someone above mentioned adding broadcast as a keyboard shortcut - that is a great idea and might really help buy a second or two for most people in the cluster fck of windows eve is. We really need to get more experience using logi. The Gallente have more experienced logi pilots too which really makes their effectiveness stand out. Hopefully in time we can get it to flow - will be a few dead ospreys while we get it going but might be worth derping some isk to get decent at it. Till then I'll keep saying - JAM THEIR LOGI BRO.
The main problem you people are having with your shield logi is not the behaviour of shield reps or that you don't have that thin layer of shields in front of your primary tank like armor ships do.
It's the fact that T1 shield logi are way more vulnerable than the armor variants.
Imo, especially the Scythe is really bad. If you fit it for EHP so your logi-bros can keep you alive, you're very, very vulnerable to ewar - in which case a single blackbird or celestis can ruin your whole fleet's day.
If you fit it up for ewar resilience, you're running either into serious fitting issues, or you drop on the tank side.
Therefor, you have to bring Ospreys as shield logi. And they still lack some ewar resilience, AND have the hazzle with the capchain - which is really killing ships in factional warfare ad-hoc fleets.
I have seen several ships explode because capchains needed to be setup instead of reps landing independantly.
I'd say, the Exequror is by far the most powerful T1 Logi, followed by the Augoror, and then a huge gap comes, with Osprey slightly ahead of the Scythe.
I'm still trying to eft Ospreys and Scythes i feel comfortable with in fleet situations that are not some out-of-the-box brawling Logi-only gang.
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