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Posted - 2003.08.16 04:01:00 -
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We have a pirate named Janus Drake running sensorboosters with his sound turned off in order to crash many of the people he fights in the area our alliance normally secures. He has been able to hold a gate solo all day against superior forces. These kinds of exploits always seem to get into the hands of pirates, and render the game a struggel against other players into a struggel to see who can cheat the most innovatively. This makes poeple feel like they are helpless, like they can't bring a good fight and have a good shot at winning. When people lose hard work to cheaters they cancel their accounts. Firstly this exploit needs to be fixxed and secondly CCP needs to take MUCH stronger measures against people who are more interested in breaking the game than competing in it.
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Rual Storge
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Posted - 2003.08.16 04:03:00 -
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I think there is a very viable solution here... BANNATION you perma ban a few and people learn.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.08.16 04:05:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 16/08/2003 04:09:18
"We have a pirate named Janus Drake running sensorboosters with his sound turned off in order to crash many of the people he fights in the area our alliance normally secures. He has been able to hold a gate solo all day against superior forces."
... And all day none of these superior combatants thought of disabling the sound on their own machine as well?..
edit: yes, i understand this is not really your point... still, it just seems.. odd? *shrugs*
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.08.16 04:06:00 -
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We have a pirate named Janus Drake running sensorboosters with his sound turned off in order to crash many of the people he fights in the area our alliance normally secures. He has been able to hold a gate solo all day against superior forces. These kinds of exploits always seem to get into the hands of pirates, and render the game a struggel against other players into a struggel to see who can cheat the most innovatively. This makes poeple feel like they are helpless, like they can't bring a good fight and have a good shot at winning. When people lose hard work to cheaters they cancel their accounts. Firstly this exploit needs to be fixxed and secondly CCP needs to take MUCH stronger measures against people who are more interested in breaking the game than competing in it.
Erm...
1) Have you tried reporting him?
2) What happens when you turn off the sound as he has?
The 2nd question is an honest question and not a flame. I suspect I'd prolly be immune since most of my sounds are disabled for some reason.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Photon
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Posted - 2003.08.16 04:08:00 -
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actually i wonder why ccp are so "gentle" with glitch and bug abusers.
Why not just ban the people that use them, right now people think they will just get off with a warning... an example has to be made
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Posted - 2003.08.16 04:09:00 -
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Of course everyone has turned of their sound.... after we figured out the exploit. Fact is most honest players dont' spend their day trying to figure out how to cheat. Before we figured out his exploit many many people died by it.
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Posted - 2003.08.16 04:10:00 -
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Oh and he was reported 5 hours previous to this post with no responce.
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Entity
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Posted - 2003.08.16 06:49:00 -
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Edited by: Entity on 16/08/2003 06:51:59
Some odd stuff...
* I use sensor boosters if the situation requires it. 7s would let targets just saaaail past.
* I don't crash.
* I have my sound turned on.
* If you take heed of the warning not to use Sensorboosters, and indeed don't use them, but your adversary uses them regardless... Then what if you crash? you're ****ed, no way to prove it, no reimbursement. In other words, you'll ALWAYS be at a disadvantage because you can't trust people not to use known bugged modules.
Conclusion:
This class of bug is called a "showstopper" where I come from. It means that it:
1. Prevents a patch from being rolled in, or..
2. Warrants an immediate (that is ASAP) fix as soon as it is found.
Edit: That warning on the news, for some people it just means "Hello, I'm an exploit. Please use me".
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.08.16 07:24:00 -
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Edited by: Entity on 16/08/2003 06:51:59
Some odd stuff...
* I use sensor boosters if the situation requires it. 7s would let targets just saaaail past.
* I don't crash.
* I have my sound turned on.
* If you take heed of the warning not to use Sensorboosters, and indeed don't use them, but your adversary uses them regardless... Then what if you crash? you're ****ed, no way to prove it, no reimbursement. In other words, you'll ALWAYS be at a disadvantage because you can't trust people not to use known bugged modules.
Conclusion:
This class of bug is called a "showstopper" where I come from. It means that it:
1. Prevents a patch from being rolled in, or..
2. Warrants an immediate (that is ASAP) fix as soon as it is found.
Edit: That warning on the news, for some people it just means "Hello, I'm an exploit. Please use me".
That does have me wondering how difficult it would have been to:
1) Modify the appropriate db entry to remove the sound association from the object's usage
2) Path the updated db
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Wolf Leader
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Posted - 2003.08.16 07:30:00 -
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I use dampeners all the time and they have same problem as booster. And for your information they crash me as often as they crash you. People complain when they log back in to a pod but half the time ive crashed as well. Ive ctd after i scrambled dampened and webbed a moa. Logged back in and there he was sitting there not moving and all my modules were off. So when i dampen u im taking as much risk of a ctd as u are
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Ieigh
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Posted - 2003.08.16 08:15:00 -
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Are you guys talking about the sensor boosters that decrease targetting time, like the F-90 positional etc? I've never had a problem with those. Or do you mean the sensor dampeners?
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2003.08.16 10:05:00 -
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I use dampeners all the time and they have same problem as booster. And for your information they crash me as often as they crash you. People complain when they log back in to a pod but half the time ive crashed as well. Ive ctd after i scrambled dampened and webbed a moa. Logged back in and there he was sitting there not moving and all my modules were off. So when i dampen u im taking as much risk of a ctd as u are
How do you roleplay to CTD in combat?
Why are you doing it when you know it's an *exploit* no matter if you may crash or not?
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.08.16 10:11:00 -
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I use dampeners all the time and they have same problem as booster. And for your information they crash me as often as they crash you. People complain when they log back in to a pod but half the time ive crashed as well. Ive ctd after i scrambled dampened and webbed a moa. Logged back in and there he was sitting there not moving and all my modules were off. So when i dampen u im taking as much risk of a ctd as u are
You are a leech, a worm, nothing worth and i hope they will ban you.
You have openly admit you know this causes people to crash, and because you know you use it to your advantage.
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illuminati
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Posted - 2003.08.16 11:26:00 -
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The chat concerning this Janus Drake hunt was strange to watch, an EW-guy warps in to lock the pirate down. 5 seconds later the EW-guy drops out. Comes back on 30-40 seconds later spitting fire from his mouth and ass because he managed to target-lock faster and secure the Scorpion Janus was in and then he dropped.
Mysterious timing, no?
Sometimes, you just cant get there fast enough, sorry to say. But if someone took me down with biyatch-tactics like this I would demand a ban.
Read the EULA or something.
It covers the bull**** reply of "just using game mechanics" very nicely 
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SkyLeach
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Posted - 2003.08.16 11:26:00 -
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Drax from M0o did this to me the other day.
i mean, no maller pilot in his right mind would try take on an Apocalypse.
First time i see him he aproaches a gate just after me.. i see him behind, but its too late im gating. Next gate i stop and wait, Drax comes in.. game goes CTD, machine reboots.
when i come back in game my shields are at 50%. some silly maller has been pecking at them, shame he wasnt still there trying it because he would then have been a corpsicle.
And dont tell me you didnt know i was CTD, that was obvious and deliberate what you did there. Maller would run from Apoc normally, like you did for the rest of the night with 30 or more battleships after you.
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ga'ia
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Posted - 2003.08.16 11:27:00 -
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Edited by: ga'ia on 16/08/2003 11:28:27
sure is lame to exploit, if it is a exploit really... file petition about it and hope he¦s baned ;)
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.16 11:31:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 16/08/2003 11:33:01
[Devils Advocate on]
Let's see:
1) You warp to him with your sound ON and you get a CTD.
2) You warp to him with your sound OFF and you don't CTD.
That doesn't really imply he is using an exploit - maybe he is as bemused as everyone else at the number of easy kills he is getting?
Have you approached him in local or evemail explaining you think his setup is causing CTD's?
[Advocate off]
If he IS knowingly causing CTD's then he should be severely reprimanded.
Considering the Sensor Dampener/Booster CTD has proven common enough to result in a News Item he can't really plead ignorance.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
illuminati
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Posted - 2003.08.16 11:40:00 -
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Joshua, someone with a high secrating, camping system jump-spawn-points and gates, killing indys in a Scorpion doesnt qualify for the noobie I-didnt-know-award. 
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.16 11:44:00 -
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Joshua, someone with a high secrating, camping system jump-spawn-points and gates, killing indys in a Scorpion doesnt qualify for the noobie I-didnt-know-award.
I'm trying to be the voice of reason, y'know.
Mr August is coming up soon........
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.08.16 14:43:00 -
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Edited by: Ulstan on 16/08/2003 14:45:33
"Why are you doing it when you know it's an *exploit* no matter if you may crash or not?"
It's an exploit? Says who? CCP? Nope. They haven't even officially admitted there is a problem, despite us posting and bumping all kinds of threads on the patch review boards to bring this their attention. The fact that they *haven't* said anything about sensor dampeners, while they have about sensor boosters, makes me think they have decided sensor dampeners are not bugged at all.
And it doesn't cause a crash all the times - I've only crashed about 3 or 4 of the times I've used Sensor dampeners. One of them cost me my ship and the other guy was just fine. I have never caused someone else to crash without me crashing myself.
So how again is this an exploit?
It's an integral part of how my ship was set up and I intend to use it. CCP can just jolly well get around to fixing it. That would be like asking a hybrid user not to use his 250 rail guns because they cause other people and him to crash sometimes. He needs to use those modules and it is up to CCP to fix the code. If he dosn't, he is at a *severe* disadvantage, and it's not fair to put him in that situation.
A bug only becomes an exploit when you can use it for your own advantage. So far our corp has lost, oh, about 4 or 5 bb's to this 'exploit'. Wow it's really helping us.
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Wolf Leader
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Posted - 2003.08.16 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: Wolf Leader on 16/08/2003 15:54:48
thank u for the support ulstan. The idea is that your 250 proto gausses cause me to ctd you just spent **** loads of cash to buy 7 of them for your armaggedon or some such nonsense like that. Ooops theres a bug in the sound. When u use them u may ctd or other may. Everyone stop using them or your an exploiter. Would u still use them...what are you saying you would... EXPLOITER!!! Burn him at the stake no quarter. I mean seriously. Sensor damps are the only way for a cruiser to kill a bs they are part of my arsenal if you dotn like it kindly kiss off cause i dont care. When ccp fixes it i will still kill you its not like i need ctd for that. So dont get your panties in an uproar either way ctd or not you will die so why fight it.. give in to me.
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Wolf Leader
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Posted - 2003.08.16 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: Wolf Leader on 16/08/2003 15:53:49
Double post
But im a nice guy..... |
Sally
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Posted - 2003.08.16 16:26:00 -
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http://www.eve-offline.de/bug-sensor-boosters-dampeners.html:
"Best thing you carebears can do now, is to file an exploit petition against the person you lose the ship to, he might have been using the module. And even if it is a bug and CCP's fault, the GMs will screw everyone using it accusing him of using exploits. I am joking here, for you own safety, stop using that stuff until CCP fixes it."
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.16 16:42:00 -
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Molly the New Breed,
Your obsession with CCP's fault is becoming very disturbing.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Sally
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Posted - 2003.08.16 16:43:00 -
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Lol go away you *****, you are using even the word "afk" in the RP forum. Get lost. Idiot.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.16 16:47:00 -
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The shock, the horror, and abomination!
So I didn't stick to roleplay in the roleplay forum.
What are you gonna do about it?
Come back, the real Molly, all is forgiven.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
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Posted - 2003.08.16 17:19:00 -
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Edited by: Ends on 16/08/2003 17:21:57
Edited by: Ends on 16/08/2003 17:20:24
Edited by: Ends on 16/08/2003 17:19:51
A person who knowingly uses sensor boosters with their sound disabled for the purpose of gaining advantage is exploiting.
sorry for the numerous edits, you can see the original quote below in all its glory : P
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.08.16 17:20:00 -
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A person who knowingly uses sensorbooster with their sound disabled is exploiting.
Agreed.
Sound quality in Eve seems to have slowly degraded with each patch....
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Sally
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Posted - 2003.08.16 17:23:00 -
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Yet you people come to the forums, talk about exploits, accuse people of using it. Mods wont do anything against it, though it is against the forum rules.
As soon as someone starts to defend himself here, they will lock or delete his threads!
Yay!
Carebears own.
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Cruise
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Posted - 2003.08.16 17:30:00 -
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Ulstan stated CCP haven't said a word about this, but I beg to differ. I saw it pop up when I first booted the game several days ago, don't you read those things? The DO include information other than roleplaying, you know.
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Using Sensor boosters causes CTD
We have traced various CTDs (Crash to Desktop) to the use of sensor boosters. We ask you to refrain from their use while we trace the problem with that particular sound content.
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That was posted on 2003.08.14. In case you DIDN'T notice it then, CCP HAVE said something about it and that alone makes an exploit to continue using them.
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