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Rich Head
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Posted - 2005.12.18 02:44:00 -
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Loving the drones...yayaya
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Soulita
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Posted - 2005.12.18 02:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Azuriel Talloth
So is this like missile nerf whines version 2.0?
Yea it is, only worse cause drones werent overpowered so didnt deserve a nerf.
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Veronique Lamonte
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Posted - 2005.12.18 02:57:00 -
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Originally by: Parallax Error
Originally by: Veronique Lamonte
Edited by: Veronique Lamonte on 18/12/2005 02:31:04
people are happy with what they are used to.
its just not the same game anymore,if cpp want to cut down on the lag the first thing they could have done is get rid of the dustclouds in deadspace for one.
alot of people are not happy,the miners are furious,i for one cannot say to cpp "here im only paying you 7 euros this month"
like i said it doesnt matter who flames us drone bay nerf whiners,it sucks period.
i am having trouble with it,the raven is now significally weaker psycologically.
its not the same ship anymore,the nerf is unfair
a hull module to accomodate extra drones or a 15m3 per level skill needs to be implemented
Dust clouds would only create client side lag which has little to no bearing on server side lag.
And secondly using drones on a Raven implies that they are there as an anti frigate measure. You obviously have tried this out before coming to the forums (I mean anything else would be utterly illogical right?) fitting 5 lights and 5 mediums gives you far more flexibility (you dont have to fit a webber to kill drones) and you can carry a flight of either light or medium EW/Nos/Repair drones.
I mean, surely you'd have actually taken the effort to look at the situation and thought about it before coming straight to the forums and spouting horsemuck just because all the cool kids are doing it?
Or maybe thats too much like hard work?
the only horsemuck being spouted is from your mouth,i was expressing my opinion,which
others share,which of course you would know about if you bothered to look at other posts.
incidentally,why should i have to downgrade to mediums,i trained for them drones and bought a BS for 100.000.000 isk and with it 150m3 drone bay.
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Maestro Ulv
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Posted - 2005.12.18 03:02:00 -
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As a gallente flying gallente battleships and having held the droner title on both my main chars I figured as most that the "nerf" on drones would annoy the crap out of me. So i tested the same setup on both test and main server before rmr was officialy ported (is that the word!) over.
I can honestly say that this so called nerf is a load of hogwash. Hammerheads now so out perform the old models that comparisons are pointless. Ogres the same but imo at least not by as far. Not that im bothered, Ogres were never the drone of preference for taking down NPC BS and for the small fry they were quite pathetic.
Due to the dumbed down tracking this is even more evident but again but again the damage and strength of the drones more than makes up for it, even when comparing 5 to 9 drones.
I should add that at the moment and when on test I did not have all the new drone skills trained to the full extent. When they are completed it will just add to the satisfaction of throwing five small cruiser or fast frigate type wingmen out on my side.
Anyone with a grudge against combat drones in RMR seriously needs to look at how they used them in combat and re-think there tactics. Drop down to meds, if you were a droner you probably used them more than heavies anyway. Then consider changing BS race.
Galls are the droner race, always have been. The storyline has since day one (despite the changes in history) always shown the superioty of drones in gall hands over any other race. To say that your Raven no longer perfoms well with drones is pointless, it was never meant to perfom well with them, they were a mere back up. When ever I have flew a raven I didn't even look at the drone bay.
People seem to want all things completely even, this is pathetic and not EVE, why do you think we have four races with different bloodlines and such a vast amount of ships?
As one poster has already said, drones are now back where they belong, as a prime weapon for the race they were intended for.
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Zytrel
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Posted - 2005.12.18 03:06:00 -
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Either you didn't read the patch notes or you reading/comprehension abilities suck.
Anyway. We don't care...
regards,
zytrel.
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.12.18 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: Soulita
Originally by: Azuriel Talloth
So is this like missile nerf whines version 2.0?
Yea it is, only worse cause drones werent overpowered so didnt deserve a nerf.
Well, missiles wouldnt crash entire nodes.
~Sobe
Originally by: TomB
Originally by: Darpz
Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi
CCP will nerf this probably, but hey, worth a try 
so your saying I should of kept my mouth shut?
Yup.
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nahtoh
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Posted - 2005.12.18 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: Veronique Lamonte
Originally by: Parallax Error
Originally by: Veronique Lamonte
Edited by: Veronique Lamonte on 18/12/2005 02:31:04
You obviously have tried this out before coming to the forums (I mean anything else would be utterly illogical right?)
Or maybe thats too much like hard work?
the only horsemuck being spouted is from your mouth,i was expressing my opinion,which
others share,which of course you would know about if you bothered to look at other posts.
incidentally,why should i have to downgrade to mediums,i trained for them drones and bought a BS for 100.000.000 isk and with it 150m3 drone bay.
So in other words...
Answer to question 1 was no?
And
Answer to question 2 was also no?
"I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but
why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the
problem solve itself" (credits to mcallister TCS)
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Leandro Salazar
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Posted - 2005.12.18 03:43:00 -
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Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 18/12/2005 03:45:38
In my Tempest, I use 1 light 2 med 2 hvy now instead of the 6 hvys I had before RMR. And hell, they do a lot better then my 6 heavies did. And they react a lot better to my commands. I am very pleased with the drone changes. Then again I can barely read the new font while some others seem to love it so I guess there are two sides to every story. Guess Dom drivers do have a valid complaint. But if you run 3 hvs drones out of a Raven you didn't do your homework.
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Maestro Ulv
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Posted - 2005.12.18 03:54:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar
Guess Dom drivers do have a valid complaint.
I am a Dom pilot and its the complete opposite to a complaint, the extra bonus just adds to the fun mate :)
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Veronique Lamonte
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Posted - 2005.12.18 03:56:00 -
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maybe i didnt,thats not the issue.of course i will have to adapt,
and of course i know the three drones give out exellent damage and can
tear up a cruiser easily,i already tried it and yes,better than 6 pre-rmr
my point is the bays should have stayed,across the board.again i find myself reiterating,"sale to veronique lamonte of 100 mil isk for raven INCLUDING 150m3 dronebay" we should have kept the m3,even if we could have only 4-5 in space in any one time.
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Maestro Ulv
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Posted - 2005.12.18 04:04:00 -
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Originally by: Veronique Lamonte
we should have kept the m3,even if we could have only 4-5 in space in any one time.
Because we can only fly 5 drones at a time now, no you should not keep your m3. For the simple reason that ravens are not meant to chuck out the same amount of drones as a gall BS. Whats the point of a backstory and ships if everything is equal?
Do you then intend to give all gall ships the same missile bonus as caldari ones? No, didn't think so. Its just balance.
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Veronique Lamonte
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Posted - 2005.12.18 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: Maestro Ulv
Originally by: Veronique Lamonte
we should have kept the m3,even if we could have only 4-5 in space in any one time.
Because we can only fly 5 drones at a time now, no you should not keep your m3. For the simple reason that ravens are not meant to chuck out the same amount of drones as a gall BS. Whats the point of a backstory and ships if everything is equal?
Do you then intend to give all gall ships the same missile bonus as caldari ones? No, didn't think so. Its just balance.
ok thanks for pointing that out Maestro,i was consumed with dissapointment without the slightest thought or sympathy to what gallente ships have to endure as well.
ill go manufacture some hammerheads,adapt and move on.
i'll have some of that cheese now i think.
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Varsath
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Posted - 2005.12.18 05:20:00 -
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Originally by: Luther Kincaid
would you like some cheese with that?
omg..thats so cliche..heard it a billion times and never want to hear it again. 
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Phoenix Lord
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Posted - 2005.12.18 05:33:00 -
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It seems to me that most of the people that complained just like the sight of tons of drones orbiting them without really noticing the damage :\
Also, if youre not in a gallente BS, then dont complain about low drone capacity, because youre not even meant to be a drone based BS...
Im a gallente and i fly a thorax that used to have 200m3 of drone space and now its 50, you dont see me complaining do you? I used to love being able to just send out a new drone once one died, but now they hardly ever die. They do so much damage now i can just use them as a main weapon source for most of the stuff cruisers are meant for and fit things like a remote armor repairer to assist them.
Finally.. dont complain about drones until you have actually trained up those new skills. If you havent, then drones should only be used as support for things like anti frigate. Not as your main damage dealer.
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Gonada
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Posted - 2005.12.18 05:45:00 -
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cry me a river void, your full of crap
i can do lvl 3 extravaganzas just as easily now with 5 drones as i could pre-patch with 15
they are indead tougher hit harder, and if you bothered to learn the 4 new combat skills for em you'd see they even make a bigger differance.
and as for crying bout 3 drones for the bs's, im assuming your talkin bout the raven and the apoc, well OMG batman , you wanted drones then you should have gone with gallent.
so heres a violin song for ya,......
cheese?
-I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
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Ranger 1
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Posted - 2005.12.18 05:57:00 -
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Originally by: Soulita
Edited by: Soulita on 18/12/2005 00:39:44
Originally by: Shirei
Originally by: Soulita
Originally by: Kaaii
Skills > equipment
o_O Muha muhahah muhahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa 0_o
I have a years+ worth of skills in drones and drone carrier piloting related stuff. The skills are now worth crap.
Considering that the Domi has with this patch become probably the strongest close-range BS for 1v1, I call BS.
ROFL
Edit: I am through with arguing this topic, only thing left I can do is laugh my *** off at comments like this.
Fair enough, as the only thing the rest of us can do is laugh at what an ass you've just made of yourself. I would suggest using eve-search to find the 50 or so page thread that spells it all out for you in minute detail... then come back here and someone will explain it to you. 
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dantes inferno
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Posted - 2005.12.18 07:55:00 -
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have you people actualy tried the drones yet or did you just log on see the bay cut in half and have an anerism??? my 5 heavys now kill frigs/cruisers quicker than the 8 i used to use..they eat through Battle cruisers and destroyers.
in case you have not noticed the hp of drones have been increased (i belive doubled), you have a drone durability skill which increased it futher, the drone interfacing skill now will more or less give you double the dot of what the drones had before (specialy those with DI5) light drones have doubled in damage before skills, medium drones have had a increase in damage before skills, you have the new repair, ew and sentry drones, skills to increase drone optimal range and speed (ive not chekced the drone mods..they may be carriers only..if not you now got them to)..so please try engaging your brain and relise that 1 drone in RMR is at least as good if not better than 2 droned in cold war...so those complaining about 3 heavy drones..well those 3 heavy drones are roughly the equivilent of 6 heavy drones in cold war if not better this is stupidest thing ive seen in eve...drones have had a boost if you got the brains to notice it..and people are crying nerf WTF????
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Soulita
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Posted - 2005.12.18 08:43:00 -
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Edited by: Soulita on 18/12/2005 08:44:13
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Soulita
Edited by: Soulita on 18/12/2005 00:39:44
Originally by: Shirei
Originally by: Soulita
Originally by: Kaaii
Skills > equipment
o_O Muha muhahah muhahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa 0_o
I have a years+ worth of skills in drones and drone carrier piloting related stuff. The skills are now worth crap.
Considering that the Domi has with this patch become probably the strongest close-range BS for 1v1, I call BS.
ROFL
Edit: I am through with arguing this topic, only thing left I can do is laugh my *** off at comments like this.
Fair enough, as the only thing the rest of us can do is laugh at what an ass you've just made of yourself. I would suggest using eve-search to find the 50 or so page thread that spells it all out for you in minute detail... then come back here and someone will explain it to you.
You are very funny. Is that you in the picture of your sig?
If you, my friend, would have read the very thread you are referring too, you would also have read my posts there. Basically you are telling me to read a thread which I not only read but also posted in, obviously without having read it yourself. Now how does that make you look??
I guess some people like the new drones, for me they in effect are a nerf.
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dantes inferno
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Posted - 2005.12.18 08:50:00 -
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Quote:
for me asa drone carrier pilot they in effect are a nerf.
how exactly are they a nerf? list your reasons for stating that the changed are a nerf? or is this just a whine without you actuyalyu testing or trainng any new skills
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Brastagi
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Posted - 2005.12.18 09:06:00 -
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Interesting...
How many drones a carrier and motherships can hold? (the fighter drones of course)
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Watch me gravitate Ha ha ha ha ha....
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Dak Hakin
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Posted - 2005.12.18 09:11:00 -
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Hmm ok. I dont use drones, so this is just a sideline view of things.
So some people will turn off graphic effects, sounds, etc to get better performance from the game. Some, dont know if they are the same ones or not, are unhappy because it "doesnt look as cool" to not have a huge swarm of bugs flying around their ship. It does not matter that less drones with more power is better, it just does not look cool.
Hmm ok. I guess we all have our priorities.
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Right Eyeighty
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Posted - 2005.12.18 09:16:00 -
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Edited by: Right Eyeighty on 18/12/2005 09:16:35
Originally by: Dak Hakin
unhappy because it "doesnt look as cool" to not have a huge swarm of bugs flying around their ship. It does not matter that less drones with more power is better, it just does not look cool.
Heh, I have the same though about people whining dronebay nerf.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.12.18 09:22:00 -
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drones appear to be ok - sure theres a few less but im still able to fight just as effective as before in a co op setting wth corp mates
CCP please restore the recruitment channel - add divisional wallets and also add a days since last login details available to CEOs so we can better manage inactive players - also concord interbus and |
Sergio Ling
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Posted - 2005.12.18 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Nathan Rees
ok now that i am home from work and have more time to explain... this is crap because:
1. not only have i spent the time to get my drones ability to be able to use 5 and can no longer use them in a Raven ... what a waste.. a battleship that can only carry 3 drones..
2. now that i can only CARRY 3 heavy drones if i am engaged and lose one then how many more do i have to replace it with? thats right 0 so now you take out my 3 drones and i am short range = screwed...
not a very good deal all the way around if you ask me .. thanks alot for wasting all my precious skill time on trainging drones to five CCP .. preciate that one..
dude, shush...use meds, you get more, and you're in a rave ffs. the one battleship that's guaranteed not to have a problem with range.
Originally by: Lluthiunne Atalaron
He's too busy adjusting his leather pants and mullet to worry about petty things such as physics.
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Sessho Seki
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Posted - 2005.12.18 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Soulita
Oh yea? Please explain to me in complete detail (Skills & exact dom setup - plz no shield tank setup since this would take me a lot of extra training, and tank must be able to sustain lvl4 mission damage) how you achieve this Uberness (going solo against BSs, cruisers and frigs). If ya cant i wont believe ya.
Edit: Oh and plz no theoretical stuff, try it out in a lvl 4 like angel extra or silince the informant or such.
Ok, you are complaining about your dominix not being able to wade through a lv4 mission, but you will hear nothing of shield tank setup since that would take ôextra trainingö?
For the love of God, the bulk of this game is training (shock, horror, surprise!)
Training is what separates a rank one newbie from a battle hardened veteran. If you are reluctant to train up perfectly logical skills related to and indeed necessary to make your ship do what you are intending on doing, then the only weakness in the fitting is the pilot.
The dominix can tank EXTREMELY well, especially with a couple NOS to let your enemy fuel the fire, but if you donÆt have the skills nor the desire to acquire them, then nothing can be said to convince you since youÆve already made up your mind to not want to bother with it.
So long as you are unwilling to meet the game in the middle on your plans, the game isnÆt going to conform to your plans. You have to make the sacrifices of time and effort to get out of the game what you want.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.12.18 09:51:00 -
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co op are level 4 missions now enough said (except for manufacturing agents) well yet anyway
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Kusotarre
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Posted - 2005.12.18 09:53:00 -
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If you have Drone Interfacing lvl4, your 3 post-RMR drones are equal to 5.4 pre-RMR drones.
You barely got nerfed.
Now, if you were using mediums or lights, instead of heavies, you just got an enormous bonus.
And since you're talking about the raven, here, you should take that other fellow's advice and go with the meds or lights anyways, and let your missiles handle the other guys.
And Soulita, as for the Dominix being a bad 1v1 close combat ship, you really do know nothing. With jamming, the dominix is the only ship that can beat a shield tanked raven in a 1v1, and, of course, all other ships.
You call people asses and laughable, but you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
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Soulita
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Posted - 2005.12.18 09:53:00 -
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Edited by: Soulita on 18/12/2005 09:54:51
Originally by: dantes inferno
Quote:
for me asa drone carrier pilot they in effect are a nerf.
how exactly are they a nerf? list your reasons for stating that the changed are a nerf? or is this just a whine without you actuyalyu testing or trainng any new skills
Since you asked:
a) tracking of heavy drones has been nerfed - they cant kill frigs anymore (taken the frigs are neither painted nor webbed). Now in order to kill frigs lites have to be used. The new lites not only kill frigs slower then the old heavies used to, but if drones are used as primary weapons this also means the type of drones has to be changed in fight when fighting various sizes of ships. This is very problematic since it often takes ages to scoop drones (depending on behaviour of drones can be minutes), meaning during this time a drone carrier pilot cant use his/her primary weapon.
b) using a lower number of drones means each drone destroyed causes a sharper drop in drone damage output. (In case of dom it was 1/15th before and now is 1/5th (durability increase doesnt help because once targeted by tons of npcs the drones die very fast, even with increased durability))
c) drone carrier users cant use the new types of drones since they depend on all 5 combat drones as primary weapon. (this part of the drone changes only effects drone carrier users negatively)
d) the amount of spare drones is reduced in absolute numbers(especially if you have to carry various sizes of drones to be able to counter frigs/cruisers and BSs).
And you can read my opinion on some of the new skills here.
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Plexreticle
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Posted - 2005.12.18 10:10:00 -
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My opinion on the drone nerf:
It's not about the new drones being stronger or better, it's about advantage. People train skills for advantage. When advantage is removed then it is a nerf.
Hypothetically a person trains to control 9 or 10 drones. Someone else trains less than half the time to control 5 or 6. Most ships won't hold more that 5 mediums anymore. The advantage of the additional training to 9-10 is gone because of the size constraint.
This pulls the rug out on people that chose to train addition drone control.
Maybe some folks trained up the Thorax because it was uber. Perhaps someone decided to train up missiles before the last patch because missiles pwned with little training.
I don't see how this was unfair. Everybody here has/had access to the same information and the same market and same original training skills.
CCP adding additional skills to even out the playing field is a nerf. Having to train additional skills to achieve an advantage that one HAD is a nerf. ItÆs changing the rules during the middle of a game.
For some people itÆs great. Rail Boy has 5 better drones and has less drone training than the Drone Master. The whole time the Drone Master was training drone skills Rail Boy was training large hybrids. Rail Boy pwns Drone Master now.
Is there a player in Eve that doesnÆt have some kind of plan or direction for their training?
How can additional unexpected or unavailable training not be a nerf if it does not follow your training career path?
I really have no suggestions to make this a better system. Maybe CCP could release the skills a month or so before the patch to let people adjust to the changes.
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Tatsue Nuko
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Posted - 2005.12.18 10:21:00 -
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Quick note about this:
Originally by: Soulita
d) the amount of spare drones is reduced in absolute numbers(especially if you have to carry various sizes of drones to be able to counter frigs/cruisers and BSs).
So in other words, your drones were "nerfed" in the same way my missiles were: you are no longer able to carry weapons suitable to kill every possible type of target at the same time? I'd use the word "balanced" for that particular part of it, actually.
Kit to suit your targets, and bring friends for those targets you can't accomodate in your setup. Sounds good to me.
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