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Cytan
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Posted - 2005.12.18 07:46:00 -
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I have, in the past, popped a Destroyer with ease in my Rifter. In fact would not even consider it a fight. I was not even equipped for PVP at the time, he attacked me while rat hunting. But I was wondering when should a frig pilot with good skills and knows how to handle his ship decide.."that ship looks to hard to beat." Can a good frig pilot hope to take on a Cruiser? Even an NPC one?
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CelticKnight
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Posted - 2005.12.18 07:59:00 -
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I hear interceptors and Assault frigates can easily tackle a cruiser...
Neva tried it myself... but i have good rep from friends that it can be done...
But then again.. this is eve.. if its a thorax with mining lasers and CPUs in the lows.... a rifter WILL KILL IT.. if it can web and warp scramble it. its just wether you REAALY can be bothered taking the time to kill it.
Its not can this ship beat this ship its. how are those ships fitted that makes it matter..
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Szordin
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Posted - 2005.12.18 08:43:00 -
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Edited by: Szordin on 18/12/2005 08:44:50
It depends, rifters can pretty easily kill npc cruisers up to 55k or so at least they could before the patch, based on what I just did with my rifter, in the fitting I would say it can probably do better than that now. But NPC's have changed aswell. And I am waiting for the game to stablize a bit before I experiment in combat.
I my rifter I have taken on 3 40k npc cruisers and had little difficulty pre-RMR. Of course I have 13M skill points or so, and I am mostly dedicated to frigs and AF piloting.
Of course Players are much different, some players you can probably beat others you will not be able too. The wide variety of setups and pilot skills makes it hard to predict. Personally if I was in a rifter I would probably avoid pvp with cruisers. Unless I could tell it was a noob piloting it.
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FiGHT XZen
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Posted - 2005.12.18 08:45:00 -
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inty can kill a BS
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Diamos Conleus
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Posted - 2005.12.18 08:50:00 -
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well atleast now i think i know why i'm loseing rifters left and right. I've been attacking Cruisers in pvp and getting sent home in a Pod or less sometimes. So taking out Cruisers is not something to be done in a frig(atleast for a n00b)?
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Skyscorcher
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Posted - 2005.12.18 08:50:00 -
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 Originally by: FiGHT XZen
Edited by: FiGHT XZen on 18/12/2005 08:46:05
inty can kill a BS
It will just take a very long time.
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.12.18 09:06:00 -
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Tier 3 Frigs can easily handle fighting a cruiser. It really comes down to pilot skills and what is fitted tho. Is the cruiser a newbie...is he a vet...etc.
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Originally by: TomB
Originally by: Darpz
Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi
CCP will nerf this probably, but hey, worth a try 
so your saying I should of kept my mouth shut?
Yup.
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FiGHT XZen
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Posted - 2005.12.18 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Skyscorcher
Originally by: FiGHT XZen
Edited by: FiGHT XZen on 18/12/2005 08:46:05
inty can kill a BS
It will just take a very long time.
no it wont
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Phelan Lore
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Posted - 2005.12.18 09:33:00 -
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If the cruiser has no web, no nos, and isn't equiped with frig guns, a frigate can easilly take it out.
It really depends though. If you are talkin actual PvP a frig probably can't kill a cruiser.
If you are talking jumping carebears who have an NPC set up, then yes it can be done.
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PyroEra
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Posted - 2005.12.18 09:58:00 -
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i was in a long range cyclone...got owned by a dude in assault frig...im not the most experienced...but not the dumbest either...its very possible
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Forsch
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Posted - 2005.12.18 10:11:00 -
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t1 and t2 frig is a big difference imo. t2 frigs can be really nasty for cruisers. but in a t1 frig you must be very lucky to kill a cruiser. less firepower, hitpoints and resists than the t2 frigs.
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solidshot
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Posted - 2005.12.18 10:30:00 -
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before the patch a rocket kessie could pop a cruiser easily probably gonna be even easier now?
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Walok
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Posted - 2005.12.18 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Forsch
t1 and t2 frig is a big difference imo. t2 frigs can be really nasty for cruisers. but in a t1 frig you must be very lucky to kill a cruiser. less firepower, hitpoints and resists than the t2 frigs.
qft.
T1 against Cruiser - Luck
T2 against Cruiser - Good chance
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.12.18 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Walok
Originally by: Forsch
t1 and t2 frig is a big difference imo. t2 frigs can be really nasty for cruisers. but in a t1 frig you must be very lucky to kill a cruiser. less firepower, hitpoints and resists than the t2 frigs.
qft.
T1 against Cruiser - Luck
T2 against Cruiser - Good chance
Actually, i'd humbly add: if there is anything that i'm afraid of when in frig, it is cruisers/BCs.
Simply they much too often pack small guns and webs and mwd and plates ... dead frig :)
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Maltar
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Posted - 2005.12.18 11:30:00 -
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hehe an af like my enyo can take cruisers if you fit it the right way. In RMR i can tackle
3/4 cruisers and battle cruiser at once without getting them through my shield. Just know what your doing speed is the main weopon of a frig the other guys or the npc can't track you then.
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R31D
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Posted - 2005.12.18 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Maltar
hehe an af like my enyo can take cruisers if you fit it the right way. In RMR i can tackle
3/4 cruisers and battle cruiser at once without getting them through my shield. Just know what your doing speed is the main weopon of a frig the other guys or the npc can't track you then.
I presume you mean PvE because if that happened in PvP the guys you were fighting deserve to be forced to fly Ibis for the rest of their lives
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Ysolde Xen
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Posted - 2005.12.18 11:34:00 -
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PvP - anyone's guess. Depends on your frigate, your setup, your experience, your skills and all of that on the opponent cruiser too.
PvE - well I've killed cruisers up to 120K (pre-RMR) in Rifters, Merlins, Kestrels, Tristans and Breachers without too much issue. Keep moving fast, avoid web range/light missile barrages and it's easy. A hard tanker might cause some issues so missile/ammo/drone swaps help.
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Kilo Paskaa
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Posted - 2005.12.18 11:44:00 -
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in rmr i have difficulty killing sansha cruisers. They can tank t1 no named merlin easily. I emptied about 1000 antimatter (125mm railgun T1) ammo and 500 bloodclaws (standard launcher) into sansha phantasm and all i did was just scratching da paint job.
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Skyscorcher
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Posted - 2005.12.18 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: FiGHT XZen
Originally by: Skyscorcher
Originally by: FiGHT XZen
Edited by: FiGHT XZen on 18/12/2005 08:46:05
inty can kill a BS
It will just take a very long time.
no it wont
Are we talking a Player Battleship or an NPC Battleship?
If it is a Player Battleship, then you are just being silly.
If it an NPC Battleship, then maybe you are correct.
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Godpool
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Posted - 2005.12.18 12:08:00 -
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A good idea is to memorize the stats for all the cruisers and then use the right ammo.
Firing bloodclaws at a ship with shields up isnt a great idea, but firing sabertooth would be, then switch to explosive missiles when the shields go down. |
Hiccup
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Posted - 2005.12.18 12:59:00 -
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I was in a raven in a rat setup killing a 0.0 spawn when an inty popped on me. If I didn't have my two NOS and used small/med rails instead I'd have been toast. Torps just wouldn't touch him.
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Reto
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Posted - 2005.12.18 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: FiGHT XZen
Edited by: FiGHT XZen on 18/12/2005 08:46:05
inty can kill a BS
its all about setup and about knowing both ships capabilities
this is seriously true! i was almost pwned by a claw in my megathron, got a rathunting setup without any nos, missles or smbs...8 ogres saved my arse when i realized i had em...at this time my armour was 50%ish...1 web and i could have had the claw but....fate
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KilROCK
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Posted - 2005.12.18 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Reto
Originally by: FiGHT XZen
Edited by: FiGHT XZen on 18/12/2005 08:46:05
inty can kill a BS
its all about setup and about knowing both ships capabilities
this is seriously true! i was almost pwned by a claw in my megathron, got a rathunting setup without any nos, missles or smbs...8 ogres saved my arse when i realized i had em...at this time my armour was 50%ish...1 web and i could have had the claw but....fate
How do you NPC with such a ****ty tank, if 1 interceptor can knock your armor repair down that much, damn your setup blows..
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FiGHT XZen
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Posted - 2005.12.18 13:55:00 -
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Edited by: FiGHT XZen on 18/12/2005 13:55:42
Originally by: Skyscorcher
Originally by: FiGHT XZen
Originally by: Skyscorcher
Originally by: FiGHT XZen
Edited by: FiGHT XZen on 18/12/2005 08:46:05
inty can kill a BS
It will just take a very long time.
no it wont
Are we talking a Player Battleship or an NPC Battleship?
If it is a Player Battleship, then you are just being silly.
If it an NPC Battleship, then maybe you are correct.
PC BS, and I'm not silly, its pritty easy and I'v done it couple of times
oh and NPC BS can be killed in inty also
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DrakeZakharov
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Posted - 2005.12.18 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: FiGHT XZen
Edited by: FiGHT XZen on 18/12/2005 13:55:42
Originally by: Skyscorcher
Originally by: FiGHT XZen
Originally by: Skyscorcher
Originally by: FiGHT XZen
Edited by: FiGHT XZen on 18/12/2005 08:46:05
inty can kill a BS
It will just take a very long time.
no it wont
Are we talking a Player Battleship or an NPC Battleship?
If it is a Player Battleship, then you are just being silly.
If it an NPC Battleship, then maybe you are correct.
PC BS, and I'm not silly, its pritty easy and I'v done it couple of times
oh and NPC BS can be killed in inty also
 were these all PvE set-ups with bad tanks ? Becuase if the guy has any nos or med drones or ANYTHING he should be able to down you a LONG time before you get him ...
Even if your doing an unrealistic 300 dps it'll take you around a minute assuming the other guys has no resists and no repair ... so quite how badly the BS pilots sucked i guess is more of the discussion
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FiGHT XZen
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Posted - 2005.12.18 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: DrakeZakharov
Originally by: FiGHT XZen
Edited by: FiGHT XZen on 18/12/2005 13:55:42
Originally by: Skyscorcher
Originally by: FiGHT XZen
Originally by: Skyscorcher
Originally by: FiGHT XZen
Edited by: FiGHT XZen on 18/12/2005 08:46:05
inty can kill a BS
It will just take a very long time.
no it wont
Are we talking a Player Battleship or an NPC Battleship?
If it is a Player Battleship, then you are just being silly.
If it an NPC Battleship, then maybe you are correct.
PC BS, and I'm not silly, its pritty easy and I'v done it couple of times
oh and NPC BS can be killed in inty also
were these all PvE set-ups with bad tanks ? Becuase if the guy has any nos or med drones or ANYTHING he should be able to down you a LONG time before you get him ...
Even if your doing an unrealistic 300 dps it'll take you around a minute assuming the other guys has no resists and no repair ... so quite how badly the BS pilots sucked i guess is more of the discussion
Nos doesnt fit on most setups, drones can be lost/killed, and ofcourse they didnt had uber tank setups, snipers, gankers mostly...and some just dont belong in BS's
ps. almost killed dual large reps tanked poc ones, but its only cuz he lost connection
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Miss CJB
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Posted - 2005.12.18 15:37:00 -
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i found a T1 frig was can be a good match for a cruser, pre-RMR, i used to go around in my rifter, owning rathunting crusers. (paper, stone, sizzers)
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Crellion
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Posted - 2005.12.19 02:27:00 -
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Edited by: Crellion on 19/12/2005 02:27:05
PvP a cruiser set up to kill frigs has a 5% chance of losing a 1v1 with tech II frig (by: set up to kill frigs one includes things as drones, small guns, med nos, usual super tank to go with small guns, mwd that makes you faster than an AF, web scram).
I cant fathom how a player can set up an Enyo to be sure of victory over such a cruiser as a friend said earlier... must be different than my Enyo...
Out numbering techII frigs will of course kill said cruisr. Vastly outnumbering or EW set up tech I frigs will also kill it.
Inty set up for damage (especially if having ab instead of mwd) will kill any BS other than supertank, Nosing and will die to nosing if it also has web drones. (RMR might bring about the advent of light drones capable of killing inty set for dmg without the support of Nos - web, remains to be seen).
tier 3 tech I frigs can kill mining BS if they have skills set up to kill its drones.
To get back to OP's question: If you mean in straight pvp, as Lucek said most cruisers these days are set up as anti frig - tackler support in group fighting and close range M guns (or S guns / drones / supertank) and tackling in solo. Either way your tech I frig is toast.
pick your victims. A mining Osprey with 1 assault launcher and 1 1/2 drones or something and crappy skills is your best bet. Try not to attack tier one gallente cruiser in belts... not only it has too many drones for a tech I frig but some wackos  fit it with 4 Electrons II mwd web scram cap booster and sit in belts waiting for peeps like you to attack
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Yiggi
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Posted - 2005.12.19 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: Skyscorcher
If it is a Player Battleship, then you are just being silly.
Depends on the setup, I saw a video of a Taranis taking out an Apoc. Granted he had no nos of web/drones, just tachs. It's the setup that matters. Stupid Apoc pilot.
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