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Eskiban Vlasic
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:18:00 -
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I've been ordered to spend every last dime of my own money so I can make lots of targets for bob.
- Vlasic of TW Fame
TribalWar, INC
Sister corp to FREE Explorer |
TheJay
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:18:00 -
[32]
Alcoholism ftw 
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Eskiban Vlasic
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Posted - 2005.12.19 15:23:00 -
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I want corp provided beer goddamnit
I'm tired of gathering all the materials to brew my own
someone just GIVE ME BEER
- Vlasic of TW Fame
TribalWar, INC
Sister corp to FREE Explorer |
StoreSlem
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:25:00 -
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Xanadu tried out both 'communism' and later something more akin to 'liberalsm / capitalism'. The latter sucked so Xanadu died.
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Tatsue Nuko
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Posted - 2005.12.19 16:37:00 -
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Actually, the whole capitalism/communism thingie here isn't really correct. Having corp-issued ships etc for use by pilots is "communistic" only insofar as Microsoft would be communists when their workers don't have to buy their own office computers (nor pay rent for their cubicles etc). 
I'd say it's more a debate of whether it's better to run EVE corps as actual corporations or as pseudo-anarchist societies.
Feel the ♥, director, diplomat, recruitment officer |
Eskiban Vlasic
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Posted - 2005.12.19 18:08:00 -
[36]
 Originally by: Tatsue Nuko
Actually, the whole capitalism/communism thingie here isn't really correct. Having corp-issued ships etc for use by pilots is "communistic" only insofar as Microsoft would be communists when their workers don't have to buy their own office computers (nor pay rent for their cubicles etc).
I'd say it's more a debate of whether it's better to run EVE corps as actual corporations or as pseudo-anarchist societies.
hey that's a good point
maybe every player should get their own "salary" as well relative to the amount of work they put into a corp, or maybe have a set salary per role.
CCP needs a salary option!
he corp could provide with the proper equipment befitting skills, and then all your mission or mining or whatever proceeds go directly to the orp, with a percentage returning to the player as a salary
man i r genioues!!
- Vlasic of TW Fame
TribalWar, INC
Sister corp to FREE Explorer |
Golan Trevize
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Posted - 2005.12.19 19:50:00 -
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Edited by: Golan Trevize on 19/12/2005 19:50:34
Hmm Seleenes corp management style cant be called Communism ,its more likely Stalinism/Amazonism/Maoism in one happy coctail of Long leaps forward, 5 year plans and abuse of her male minions........
The Gallente ideals of Freedom, Liberty and Equality will be met by the Amarr realities of Lasers, Armor and Battleships.
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Dahin
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Posted - 2005.12.19 21:18:00 -
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a mixture of both.
People get to keep the isk they make from ratting and their own trading.
But also corp involves quite a lot of work that's "for the corp". Then corp decides where to spend that money/when to fund.
So we don't have the administrative overhead of people asking for ships etc all the time and we have the ability to fund war efforts/invest.
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Raid
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Posted - 2005.12.19 21:28:00 -
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Tyrell has gone to the extreme in both ways. Communism worked well when the game first came out, everyone worked for the corp and each other... 1 year into the game capitalism made everyone work for themselves, the corp buys and sells things to its members.. that worked well at first but was WAY too complicated and managing that stuff felt like a full time job ..
In the end we settled on a sort of half and half situation. We still some stuff to members... Members work for themselves and can buy stuff from the corp is they want to... Directors work for themselves and the corp, getting some stuff free but ultimatly paying for em with donations of ISK, minerals etc...
Works just fine for us as long as you have dedicated people. If we were as large as we once were i think capitalistic would be the only way to go.. If your really small then communistic would be best... If your mid sized with 20-30 members then do a half and half..
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Frankinator
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Posted - 2005.12.19 22:11:00 -
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A unique combination of both tbh: Frankinism.
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2005.12.19 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Frankinator
A unique combination of both tbh: Frankinism.
Frankinism ftw!!1
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Gilbert Drillerson
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Posted - 2005.12.19 22:33:00 -
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Its a good question tbh and the answer is not one or the other but rather some kind of compromise.... altruistic capitalism maybe. Members have to work for the corp to achieve the bigger things like outposts, dreadnaughts or titans.
Being in a pvp oriented corp we have been mainly capitalistic for a long time, the reason is that it teaches ppl to not loose too many ships. It isnt perfect though, especially not in prolonged campaigns where individuals may run out of ressources to replace stuff... so we are currently looking into a model where we go at least 50% communistic for fleet members... the upside of this is that losses are somewhat shared.
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The Hooch
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Posted - 2005.12.19 22:40:00 -
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Edited by: The Hooch on 19/12/2005 22:40:38
The difference in "isms"
Socialism, Government taxes the milk the cows make and gives money to people who don't have cows to make money with, nor care to.
Communism, Government takes cows, takes hay, takes tractors, takes property, gives you a 5 year plan with nothing to get it done with, sends you to gulag for being social parasite.
Despotism, Government takes cows, shoots you, then leaves.
Capitalism, sell one cow and buy a bull, make more cows, make too much milk, kill prices, get government grant and loans, start over again and do the same thing.
First and Last work, other two are under review.
Cheers
Hooch, Military and Political Guru, Peacenik, Flame Baiter, BoB Watcher, BoB Lover, BoB Hater, BoB Fanboi, *****um, Troll, Forum Warrior, Mister Star Trek, Captain Obvious, Carebear... |
Berilac
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Posted - 2005.12.20 05:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
In real life I have to pay 30% of my salary to society and I hate it VERY VERY MUCH! 
Its not like they build roads for you, or do crazy stuff like make sure you have food to eat is it?
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Tatsue Nuko
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Posted - 2005.12.20 08:57:00 -
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Edited by: Tatsue Nuko on 20/12/2005 08:57:16
Originally by: Berilac
Originally by: Kuolematon
In real life I have to pay 30% of my salary to society and I hate it VERY VERY MUCH!
Its not like they build roads for you, or do crazy stuff like make sure you have food to eat is it?
I thought it was the local pizzeria, supermarket and Lidl that makes sure I have food to eat, not the government... And the roads, well, automobile tax?
I think that's quite a bit offtopic though.
Feel the ♥, director, diplomat, recruitment officer |
Kin Hanyerec
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Posted - 2005.12.20 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: Eskiban Vlasic
Originally by: Tatsue Nuko
Actually, the whole capitalism/communism thingie here isn't really correct. Having corp-issued ships etc for use by pilots is "communistic" only insofar as Microsoft would be communists when their workers don't have to buy their own office computers (nor pay rent for their cubicles etc).
I'd say it's more a debate of whether it's better to run EVE corps as actual corporations or as pseudo-anarchist societies.
hey that's a good point
maybe every player should get their own "salary" as well relative to the amount of work they put into a corp, or maybe have a set salary per role.
CCP needs a salary option!
he corp could provide with the proper equipment befitting skills, and then all your mission or mining or whatever proceeds go directly to the orp, with a percentage returning to the player as a salary
man i r genioues!!
Contracts in Kali ?
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Shivaja
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Posted - 2005.12.20 11:07:00 -
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Neither works in RL neither in game .
You have to create your own system based on mechanicks of Eve universe and evolve together with eve galagxy or you doomed 
NORAD Kill Board
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Rick Dentill
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Posted - 2005.12.21 12:26:00 -
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We have two rules in Boon.
1) Have fun
2) If you are not having fun, refer to 1)
Pretty much we are all capitalist/industrialists. Most of us can make/replace whatever we need, and those who can't tend to find replacements appear magically in their hanger over night. So in someways we are if not communist in the general term, we do certainly help each other out.
/me flicks depressedly at all the red in his wallet
Inherently we are out to have fun and are non to concerned with politics and other similar matters.
Atm we build freighters as a corp project, but there is no pressure for people to get involved, we just get a pat on the back if we do .
We have no real corp structure bar ceo, some of us are directors as it makes life easier with the cap ship project, but we dont tell people what to do. Basically we are just a bunch of people who like to do things together and chat aimlessly in corp chat. The fact that we are all getting richer is just a bonus.
in response to...
Originally by: Coupo
communism = win
capitalism = oh noes i cant lose my lovely ship i cant afford it
a few months ago maybe this might have been true for many of us, but given the number of Battleships we have lost lately, all I can say is... The first one is always the hardest
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2005.12.21 20:31:00 -
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My corp is Libertarian...
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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The Cosby
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Posted - 2005.12.22 00:37:00 -
[50]
let me ask cartiff, see if he feels inspired enough to beat us today
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Arron S
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Posted - 2005.12.25 00:51:00 -
[51]
hm..
I dont know what I would call my corp. We help our members mine to build battleships and stuff(Then we loss them with in a week:p)
I know my CEO and I have been talking about building ships for the corp to use in Corperate operations more or less so out members don't loss much money when we go on a drunken rampage.
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Angelus X
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Posted - 2005.12.25 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Dahin
a mixture of both.
/agree
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Elendar
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Posted - 2005.12.25 15:19:00 -
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Fachism 
whips hurt
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Faust Revis
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Posted - 2005.12.25 17:34:00 -
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Dictatorship ftw \o/
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Timon Sirii
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Posted - 2005.12.25 20:01:00 -
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Im not a Alkoholic just because Im drunk all the time..
Its all NSN style.
Tovarich Bamse pays us in booze...
o7
Salute the chief!
-Sa nsn sksl eller???
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Kane Jacobs
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Posted - 2005.12.25 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kusotarre
All our mods come from loot, and all our ships come from SS busting.
I'm getting sick of flying shuttles and iteron mk 3s, tbh.
<3
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.12.25 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Shivaja
Neither works in RL neither in game.
So wrong, and the statement you make following from that proves it. ANY system can work, in EVE (and indeed irl) so long as the attitude of the people within the system is condusive to it.
Originally by: Thomas Jefferson
A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
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Kalissa
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Posted - 2005.12.26 00:08:00 -
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Socialism can only really work if it's very well organised within a corp, and the corp has to be very rich to do it. I'm not sure how well pure capitalism would work within a corp either, it certainly wouldnt help the newer player.
Speaking for this corp, we generally come together to help a member who has fallen on hard times and we've done this several times in the past. Richer members also come together to pool resources for BPO's etc as well. But generally on a day-to-day thing members are left to do what they want, buy/sell/fight/carebear or whatever they wanna do.
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Lowa
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Posted - 2005.12.26 03:09:00 -
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Except qualifying for the Rule of Alcohol NSN is 80/20.
(Sel would say 100% commie and come rabble-rabble about our language but...)
80% Commie:
Ships, modules (T1, T2 and low grade named), skills, insurance etc are
given to the trusted members.
20% Capitalism:
Each member can have a "buffert", 150m max with the rest going to the Corp.
We run a 10% tax system for simple cash flow and then every member dumps
his or hers Mission/NPC stash when appropriate.
Not many of us have more than 20-30 at any given time though.
Expenses in terms of replacing losses are handled by the corp but
the member(s) loosing ships are responsible for replacing the money in someway.
NPC, missions or our favourite thing; Corp wide Mining Ops! \o/
There is ofcourse a lot more behind this but it comes down to our motto:
TOGETHER
Everything we do we do for NSN because NSN is its members.
Very simple when it works. And it does, very well for us.
Cheers,
LOWA
NSN - Forcing EVE reviewers to mine since 2003! |
Khatred
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Posted - 2005.12.26 11:01:00 -
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Narcissism!
I log daily with my alts and praise myself in corp chat about how bold, intelligent, wise, brave etc. etc. I am. Works wonders.
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