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Lifewire	Posted - 2003.08.16 18:25:00 - [1] k, next 1: CONCORD space is safe, ok - i want unsafe 0.0 systems! Players with negative seccurity level should be able to pass pirate sentry guns and pirate NPCs. But how can that be: the NPC pirates attack every1, even their friends the player pirates and they arent so hard as police, they are targets, nothing more! They should scramble and kill every1 with + seccurity level, get reinforcments and have BS at every gate. It should be as "realistic" as the police ships are in 1.0 systems.
Jarjar	Posted - 2003.08.16 18:32:00 - [2] That would force everyone to make a choice: 1) Life as a carebear (goto 0.0 and die) 2) Become a pirate. Wohoo! Then we'll have two kinds of space: One with all the pirates, one with all the carebears. Great.
nono	Posted - 2003.08.16 18:43:00 - [3] Somehow I think there would be an awful lot of pirates spring up overnight. Carebears wouldn't care much if they could suck in billions of isk with no NPC pirates shooting at them in the feilds dontcha think. Sure PC pirates would be out there but not in the numbers of ever spawning NPC's. Right now mining in 0.0 space has two fronts to worry about.
Digital Sin	Posted - 2003.08.16 18:45:00 - [4] the pirates just need to be harder. throw in like a 5x spawn of battleships or something. currently, i can kill one NPC every six seconds. thacyons dont have to try too hard to punch through a sanshas beast "To be content,to be comfortable, is to be complacent. No one learns anything from pleasure..pain on the other hand is a most efficient instructor"
Xane	Posted - 2003.08.16 18:45:00 - [5] The key to this conundrum is; trade and standings. Get trade working properly in the non-empire space (and I mean regular goods not pirate loot), and get standings applicable to limit low SR pirates from entering most of empire space. That gives the traders a reason to go into 0.0 and consequently gives the pirates something to shoot at. x a n e
Noctoz	Posted - 2003.08.16 18:46:00 - [6] First, pirates have never and will never be friends to all other pirates. Most likely they just blast other pirates as fast as tey blow up a trader passing by. Second, pirates are pirates and not some kind of policeforce. They do not act that way. ------------------ NoctoZ Black Reign Curse Alliance
Riddari	Posted - 2003.08.16 19:05:00 - [7] You have earned the ³bertroll badge! ¼©¼ a history
j0sephine	Posted - 2003.08.16 19:12:00 - [8] Edited by: j0sephine on 16/08/2003 19:14:48 "But how can that be: the NPC pirates attack every1, even their friends the player pirates (..)" ... So, when was the last time you farmed those NPC friends of yours for the loot, Sir? And what's your standings towards their clans? :s "and they arent so hard as police, they are targets, nothing more! They should scramble and kill every1 with + seccurity level, get reinforcments and have BS at every gate." Uhmm, they are pirates; meaning, they don't get their budget from the taxes of billions of people, but only from what they manage to steal from others and/or smuggle. If you indeed want realism, then don't demand them to be unrealistically strong.... edit: what i'd like to see is, having the pirate ship setups based on the succesful PC player setups.. so they can actually provide some challenge in lesser numbers and without having to rely on the unlimited cap etc...
Alexia Te'Len	Posted - 2003.08.16 19:19:00 - [9] The Pirates are of different factions, close-knit groups within themselves, they seek to preserve their own way of life and would not trust any outsiders. CONCORD are a police force that is there to keep peace, not to preserve it's members (Or however you want to view that). Likewise, Pirates would, in all likeliehood, see other Pirates as just another target....unless there was a cause to bring them together, of course (A *****down/blitz by CONCORD, for example, would be a threat to all Pirates so it's fair to guess that the majority of them would "team up" tempoarily so they could preserve Piracy). It's absurd to suggest that Pirates and their turrets should act as police for "un-safe" zones, both from a gaming view (Piracy is something that shouldn't be taken lightly, it's a way of life and _not_ a hobby you just slip into whenever you feel like it) and a story view (Why would Pirates waste their time policing space when they could be out there attacking Industrial Ships and making off with their cargo?).
John Zeppe	Posted - 2003.08.16 19:22:00 - [10] Quote: the pirates just need to be harder. throw in like a 5x spawn of battleships or something. currently, i can kill one NPC every six seconds. thacyons dont have to try too hard to punch through a sanshas beast 8 tachs, 3 sec rof?
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.16 19:40:00 - [11] Quote: The Pirates are of different factions, close-knit groups within themselves, they seek to preserve their own way of life and would not trust any outsiders. CONCORD are a police force that is there to keep peace, not to preserve it's members (Or however you want to view that). Likewise, Pirates would, in all likeliehood, see other Pirates as just another target....unless there was a cause to bring them together, of course (A ****down/blitz by CONCORD, for example, would be a threat to all Pirates so it's fair to guess that the majority of them would "team up" tempoarily so they could preserve Piracy). It's absurd to suggest that Pirates and their turrets should act as police for "un-safe" zones, both from a gaming view (Piracy is something that shouldn't be taken lightly, it's a way of life and _not_ a hobby you just slip into whenever you feel like it) and a story view (Why would Pirates waste their time policing space when they could be out there attacking Industrial Ships and making off with their cargo?). If you open your map and select the stars according to sovereignty, you'll notice something: Stain is under the sovereignty of the Sansha Nation. Curse belongs to the Angel Cartel. Great Wildlands is the domain of the Thukker Tribe (if you hunt in Minmatar Space, you know the significance of that). Gurista Pirates claim Venal. Those regions are the claimed space of Pirate Factions, not loot machines. And it would be fitting from a RP perspective and a game mechanic perspective for them to defend their space against intrusions by 'known criminals' as well. The 'known criminals' being those with negative faction and high security status. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Ana Khouri	Posted - 2003.08.16 19:57:00 - [12] Quote: k, next 1: CONCORD space is safe, ok - i want unsafe 0.0 systems! Players with negative seccurity level should be able to pass pirate sentry guns and pirate NPCs. But how can that be: the NPC pirates attack every1, even their friends the player pirates and they arent so hard as police, they are targets, nothing more! They should scramble and kill every1 with + seccurity level, get reinforcments and have BS at every gate. It should be as "realistic" as the police ships are in 1.0 systems. While I aggree to that general statement there is a tiny flaw in it. Rare ores are in the pirate realm - so, if those changes would be made only the players with a negative sce status would be able to mine them. free speech not allowed here
Lifewire	Posted - 2003.08.16 20:01:00 - [13] Hey folks...be "realistic": if CONCORD saves its space with sentry guns and fires on known pirates then the pirate tribes would do the same with players that have a security status of +5 They also would have scramblers (they are pirates and loot is full of scramblers), so why dont they use it? Perhaps because game must be easy for traders and miners? They woulnd fire on pirate players with security level -5, they love these guys!
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.16 20:06:00 - [14] Quote: Hey folks...be "realistic": if CONCORD saves its space with sentry guns and fires on known pirates then the pirate tribes would do the same with players that have a security status of +5 They also would have scramblers (they are pirates and loot is full of scramblers), so why dont they use it? Perhaps because game must be easy for traders and miners? They woulnd fire on pirate players with security level -5, they love these guys! Now on that one, I'm pretty certain you're wrong. Safe bet very few people have positive pirate faction standing. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Digital Sin	Posted - 2003.08.16 20:09:00 - [15] right now i run 4x thacyon 4x heavymod beam 4x recharger 6x heatsink. i actually get bored waiting for the respawn. "To be content,to be comfortable, is to be complacent. No one learns anything from pleasure..pain on the other hand is a most efficient instructor"
colla tidet	Posted - 2003.08.16 21:07:00 - [16] Once again i am amazed at the human capacity for understanding... Cause & Effect = is a basic law. This post is the root of all the evil that goes on in this game, and will keep the game stagnate (meaning not growing as opposed to boring-defined for the flamers) as it has become. Pc's have been allowed to take the game away from CCP. There is no way an entire region should be able to be taken over by alliances. Everyone who hunts/farms pirates and then docks at there station, jumps through there gate in that factions region is EXPLOITING the game. This idea does not stop with pirates, it goes for anything else in the game. Another example is the trade good situation. Buying some form of good and being able to trek however far across the galaxy to sell the goods in places they (meaning the Pc's toon) probably should not be. It happens that everything is brought back at the same time everyday which compounds the problem of the trade situation. In short it is just to easy for an individuals toon to go anywhere, anythime. Without control u only have chaos. The Syndicate = -9.29 Guristas = -9.96 Serpentis = -9.29 these are the standings that they have towards my toon. Should I be allowed to dock at a station under there control? The names of the servers should be switched... "Let us have faith that right makes right, and in that faith let us to the end dare to do our duty as we understand it."
Lifewire	Posted - 2003.08.16 21:30:00 - [17] This thread shows 1 thing very clear: the game is made easy for peacefull players so that they dont get killed and dont leave the game. CCP has to think over $ not ISK! They need every player and most of them spend their time on mining astros and would be very frustrated when beeing killed in pvp or by NPC pirates. So it has to be "easy" for that type of players...but really hard for every pirate player. Thats no fair game...it¦s a bad joke and not worth 1 $! The devs should think over what they did: they started a chess match with white having 16 figures and black having 2! Black is not allowed to move on white fields, but white can move everywhere! Its a wonder that M3G4, the gang, M0o and all the others pirates survided till now - they must play like hell!
Technolisa	Posted - 2003.08.16 21:33:00 - [18] Or CCP could make 0.0 to -1.0 systems 0.0 to -0.5 would have rather small forces of pirates , but -0.6 to -1.0 would have strong pirate defence , like -1.0 would be Pirate HQ , in each pirate region there could be 1 system -1.0 wich would be the HQ system of that pirate corporation and it would be heavely guarded like 1.0 system is guarded by concord. _______________________________________________
colla tidet	Posted - 2003.08.16 21:35:00 - [19] Edited by: colla tidet on 16/08/2003 21:36:03 ... p.s. not directed at u techno. "Let us have faith that right makes right, and in that faith let us to the end dare to do our duty as we understand it."
Lifewire	Posted - 2003.08.16 21:39:00 - [20] Good idea! CCP could make a lot better...i say they have big problems in balancing the game and it¦s on us players to help them. It¦s weekend, 4500 players online...this game dies if there is no solution in the next months.
colla tidet	Posted - 2003.08.16 21:43:00 - [21] Edited by: colla tidet on 16/08/2003 21:44:46 ...I often wonder how some open the box that EVE came in... "Let us have faith that right makes right, and in that faith let us to the end dare to do our duty as we understand it."
Shock	Posted - 2003.08.16 22:04:00 - [22] Quote: This thread shows 1 thing very clear: the game is made easy for peacefull players so that they dont get killed and dont leave the game. CCP has to think over $ not ISK! They need every player and most of them spend their time on mining astros and would be very frustrated when beeing killed in pvp or by NPC pirates. So it has to be "easy" for that type of players...but really hard for every pirate player. Thats no fair game...it¦s a bad joke and not worth 1 $! So you are saying pirates should have all the advantages that lawabiding players have ON TOP of the enourmous advantage that they can kill others at all times? Face it, pirates are parasites. They leach from the traders and miners. But why seems overbody fail to see that when they leech too hard they endanger themselves? So weeklong blockades and raids into 1.0 should be forbidden not only to help the lawabiding players but also to protect the pirates from themselves Pirating is supposed to be harder then mining. Otherwise everybody could go out buy a bb and start pirating until all what's left are pirates. Quote: The devs should think over what they did: they started a chess match with white having 16 figures and black having 2! Black is not allowed to move on white fields, but white can move everywhere! Are you serious? Is it really opinion that pirates should be as strong as the rest of the community? Pirates are supposed to hit and run. --- soonÖ
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.08.16 22:41:00 - [23] you want them to wear unfeasibly large beards, wonky hats, peg legs, and a deranged parrot on their shoulders? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.16 22:42:00 - [24] Quote: Quote: This thread shows 1 thing very clear: the game is made easy for peacefull players so that they dont get killed and dont leave the game. CCP has to think over $ not ISK! They need every player and most of them spend their time on mining astros and would be very frustrated when beeing killed in pvp or by NPC pirates. So it has to be "easy" for that type of players...but really hard for every pirate player. Thats no fair game...it¦s a bad joke and not worth 1 $! So you are saying pirates should have all the advantages that lawabiding players have ON TOP of the enourmous advantage that they can kill others at all times? Face it, pirates are parasites. They leach from the traders and miners. But why seems overbody fail to see that when they leech too hard they endanger themselves? So weeklong blockades and raids into 1.0 should be forbidden not only to help the lawabiding players but also to protect the pirates from themselves Pirating is supposed to be harder then mining. Otherwise everybody could go out buy a bb and start pirating until all what's left are pirates. Quote: The devs should think over what they did: they started a chess match with white having 16 figures and black having 2! Black is not allowed to move on white fields, but white can move everywhere! Are you serious? Is it really opinion that pirates should be as strong as the rest of the community? Pirates are supposed to hit and run. if pirating is supposed to be harder than mining, it should also be more profitable. However as it stands, a pirate would make more isk with mining lasers on his bship than any other type of turret. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.08.16 22:48:00 - [25] Quote: Quote: Quote: This thread shows 1 thing very clear: the game is made easy for peacefull players so that they dont get killed and dont leave the game. CCP has to think over $ not ISK! They need every player and most of them spend their time on mining astros and would be very frustrated when beeing killed in pvp or by NPC pirates. So it has to be "easy" for that type of players...but really hard for every pirate player. Thats no fair game...it¦s a bad joke and not worth 1 $! So you are saying pirates should have all the advantages that lawabiding players have ON TOP of the enourmous advantage that they can kill others at all times? Face it, pirates are parasites. They leach from the traders and miners. But why seems overbody fail to see that when they leech too hard they endanger themselves? So weeklong blockades and raids into 1.0 should be forbidden not only to help the lawabiding players but also to protect the pirates from themselves Pirating is supposed to be harder then mining. Otherwise everybody could go out buy a bb and start pirating until all what's left are pirates. Quote: The devs should think over what they did: they started a chess match with white having 16 figures and black having 2! Black is not allowed to move on white fields, but white can move everywhere! Are you serious? Is it really opinion that pirates should be as strong as the rest of the community? Pirates are supposed to hit and run. if pirating is supposed to be harder than mining, it should also be more profitable. However as it stands, a pirate would make more isk with mining lasers on his bship than any other type of turret. There are more than a few pirates out there with battleships who have lost their battleship and replaced it pretty damn quick. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.08.16 23:34:00 - [26] Quote: There are more than a few pirates out there with battleships who have lost their battleship and replaced it pretty damn quick. And more than a few with links to corporations like TTI to get those replacements from cheap. B'sides, who said the isk came from actual piracy? Or are you ignoring where all the pirates are forced to live...Surrounded by high bounty npc spawns and high end ores. You can and will make more isk doing anything other than piracy. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Lifewire	Posted - 2003.08.16 23:36:00 - [27] A fair game is: same conditions for all players! Every1 can attack - no only pirates! Fact is: pirates can be attacked without security hit!!! Wanted? just shoot him and here some players want to tell the mare that pirates have an advantage in beeing the attacker! At the moment we dont have a fair game: white has hundrets of advantages! Black team is still alive because they learn to make the best of the situation.
j0sephine	Posted - 2003.08.16 23:38:00 - [28] "Every1 can attack - no only pirates! Fact is: pirates can be attacked without security hit!!! Wanted? just shoot him (..)" ... Where do you draw your facts from?..
Zakura	Posted - 2003.08.16 23:39:00 - [29] Yeha, Why does a Pirate in a Velator, even consider attacking me in a Thorax with 8 wasps? lol..:) AND!! U never find any drugs in the loot, really bad smugglers =)
Wolf Leader	Posted - 2003.08.17 07:54:00 - [30] The mods locked your last topic so you had to start a new one with your off the wall ideas. This one is not as bad as the last but it is still horrible. Think how easy it would be for a person to camp a gate with a couble webs and scrambler and watch npcs eat you. And it would put an end to all negotiation. No more tolls which is where most of the money is made. So no once again i disagree with you and think you should stop polluting the forum with this gibberish and monkey talk But im a nice guy.....

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