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Mithylos	Posted - 2005.12.20 02:42:00 - [1] I'm a noob... just to get that straight off the bat... I joined a corp and everything went well for about a week... then a corp member with CEO rights, with no warning at all, decided to fire on me... I was picking up loot from a mission I had recently finished in my Iteron (faster than my fighter)... On the way back to the station, he locks on... I figure "okaaay"... Then here comes the full missile barrage from his Raven... I get wasted before I hit station... Ok... I can live with this.. it sux but I can deal... THEN he pods me before I can get that slow thing into the station... Full set of +3 implants gone just like that... A devestating loss to a noob in empire space. This all happened in .8 (I think it was .8... It was Scolluzer) Q:I understand corp v corp fighting for practice, etc, but why allow corp members to podkill each other?
without	Posted - 2005.12.20 04:20:00 - [2] Originally by: Mithylos I'm a noob... just to get that straight off the bat... I joined a corp and everything went well for about a week... then a corp member with CEO rights, with no warning at all, decided to fire on me... I was picking up loot from a mission I had recently finished in my Iteron (faster than my fighter)... On the way back to the station, he locks on... I figure "okaaay"... Then here comes the full missile barrage from his Raven... I get wasted before I hit station... Ok... I can live with this.. it sux but I can deal... THEN he pods me before I can get that slow thing into the station... Full set of +3 implants gone just like that... A devestating loss to a noob in empire space. This all happened in .8 (I think it was .8... It was Scolluzer) Q:I understand corp v corp fighting for practice, etc, but why allow corp members to podkill each other? ur just too dumb u carebare u deserved to loose the implants why the **** didnt u warp out when u lost ur ship insted of trying to dock PS: leave the corp, PS2: dont brag about implants to corp members. PSú: hell ljoin a pirate or merc corp and maybe in 6months time u would of learned something about fighting and come back and kill that dumb ass ceo
Mithylos	Posted - 2005.12.20 06:29:00 - [3] Quote: Quote: Q:I understand corp v corp fighting for practice, etc, but why allow corp members to podkill each other? ur just too dumb u carebare u deserved to loose the implants why the **** didnt u warp out when u lost ur ship insted of trying to dock PS: leave the corp, PS2: dont brag about implants to corp members. PSú: hell ljoin a pirate or merc corp and maybe in 6months time u would of learned something about fighting and come back and kill that dumb ass ceo Dunno what a carebare is.. Tried to warp out, but he finished me too fast... Indy doesn't hold up well against a Raven... (didn't try to warp until after he fired because I didn't know he was GOING to fire... corpmate after all) Leave the corp? Obvious answer Brag? I didn't... He didn't do it because of any implants... he did it for no reason at all... I just lost the implants as a result. Merc idea: sounds good to me You failed to answer the question though, thereby adding any content of value to the thread... Is there any reason to allow corp pod killing? I can't think of any advantage of practicing firing on pods... btw: you're a [not nice person]
Berak FalCheran	Posted - 2005.12.20 07:17:00 - [4] Edited by: Berak FalCheran on 20/12/2005 07:20:22 Originally by: without ur just too dumb u carebare u deserved to loose the implants why the **** didnt u warp out when u lost ur ship insted of trying to dock PS: leave the corp, PS2: dont brag about implants to corp members. PSú: hell ljoin a pirate or merc corp and maybe in 6months time u would of learned something about fighting and come back and kill that dumb ass ceo Hey idiot, he said he was a n00b. Why don't you try and be at least a little intelligent -- this guy had no idea what was going on, and he got taken advantage of. Sure it's the way of the world, but hell... it's pretty understandable that he's a little confused and upset. Mithylos: look to join a reputable corp that seems to have a steady member base. The only thing 'without' said that's right is: 'don't brag about implants' -- that's just a good rule of thumb. Good luck finding a good corp. And add the jerk who podded you to your addressbook. You'll be able to 'repay' him someday Oh, and the answer to your question is: There isn't really a great reason to allow corp member podding but... there a few situations where it might make sense (sort of). Either way, that's how it is... and I promise that 95% of corps out there won't pod you -- only the few losers who have to resort to cheap tactics for kills. Originally by: Malthros Zenobia In short: Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.
Detshni	Posted - 2005.12.20 07:53:00 - [5] Mithylos> uuh, wow. Sorry about your loss dude, hope you don't quit the game because of it. Sounds to me, you got unlucky, and got blasted by a son of a *****. If you ever need any help at all, my name is Detshni, so call me up if you need help, getting a new and better corp, equipment, you know. Anything.
Jin XX	Posted - 2005.12.20 08:08:00 - [6] It's not like corporations are "allowed" to podkill their pilots - its rather that the rest of the universe does not care about a corp's business as long as it is internal. Corporations and their struggle for supremacy are a corner stone of the Eve background story, and each faction is build out of corporations which are doing their business in a way they want to. Only if affecting other corporations a kind of common rules and procedures and other entities of the universe like CONCORD get involved.
Mithylos	Posted - 2005.12.20 08:14:00 - [7] Thanks for your responses. I didn't write the message because I was crying about it. I still love the game. I simply wanted to know if there was a reason for allowing corp podkills and gave the information on why I was asking (in case anyone wanted to weigh the good vs the evil). Thank you, Berak, for the answer (that there are some reasons out there). I thought it to be unusual, being attacked by corpmate... And he caught me with my pants down. Detshni, thanks for the offer. I'll be fine... I learn more every day. With patches changing rules I barely understand, I learn the hard way at times, but that's to be expected. Noone knew I had any implants... This guy also attacked another corp mate minutes later. We're not sure why either since he would never respond in comms. For all we know, someone else has his login/password and it wasn't even him. Hopefully that mystery will be solved later. The oddest thing, to me, still is the fact that a. you MUST be in a corp, and b. any corp member can not only attack, but pod you, anytime, anywhere.
Commander Stringer	Posted - 2005.12.20 10:21:00 - [8] Originally by: without Originally by: Mithylos I'm a noob... just to get that straight off the bat... I joined a corp and everything went well for about a week... then a corp member with CEO rights, with no warning at all, decided to fire on me... I was picking up loot from a mission I had recently finished in my Iteron (faster than my fighter)... On the way back to the station, he locks on... I figure "okaaay"... Then here comes the full missile barrage from his Raven... I get wasted before I hit station... Ok... I can live with this.. it sux but I can deal... THEN he pods me before I can get that slow thing into the station... Full set of +3 implants gone just like that... A devestating loss to a noob in empire space. This all happened in .8 (I think it was .8... It was Scolluzer) Q:I understand corp v corp fighting for practice, etc, but why allow corp members to podkill each other? ur just too dumb u carebare u deserved to loose the implants why the **** didnt u warp out when u lost ur ship insted of trying to dock PS: leave the corp, PS2: dont brag about implants to corp members. PSú: hell ljoin a pirate or merc corp and maybe in 6months time u would of learned something about fighting and come back and kill that dumb ass ceo Not only no help but no help with attitude...... Kinda puts a black mark against the Eve community. ........ 'Blow your own trumpet 'cuz no other fecker is going to do it for you'
theRaptor	Posted - 2005.12.20 10:56:00 - [9] How did you as a noob get a full set of +3 implants? Your story smells. Oh and the reason they allow pod killing is for internal corp discipline and justice, as well as for combat accidents. I don't think you trust, in, my, self-righteous suicide.
Julie Lacette	Posted - 2005.12.20 11:16:00 - [10] mithylos said: "...The oddest thing, to me, still is the fact that a. you MUST be in a corp, and b. any corp member can not only attack, but pod you, anytime, anywhere." I think if you¦re in a npc corp you are quite safe of things like: wars, podkills aso. Although I love to be in a player corp and would never return to npc-corp again. P.D. - I am a rookie too, so I may be wrong with this

zoumao	Posted - 2005.12.20 11:47:00 - [11] Clonejumping.. nothing beats getting podded by a corpmate. The 120 secs waittime for selfdestruct are kinda annoying.
Angelic Resolution	Posted - 2005.12.20 11:51:00 - [12] Nothing can be done about it, best thing to do is leave the corp and rip them off at the same time. I mean it, take stuff from their hangars to the price of what you lost in implants (And only to the price you lost in implants) then pick up and leave. Otherwise ask him why he pod'd you and then ask for re-imbursement. Cause podding a corp mate is just stupid.
BeethovenX	Posted - 2005.12.20 11:52:00 - [13] We had the same in our corp except i podded the corp member a noob he said he was with a frig who flew 1500 m/s a full of T2 stuff constant trying to lure corp members in unsafe space. so i think the story went a little bit like this for he was for sure an alt and for those in care of his name BESTBRAIN if he's in your corp don't trust him ... regards Beethovenx
Macro Media	Posted - 2005.12.20 12:02:00 - [14] Edited by: Macro Media on 20/12/2005 12:02:50 Its CEO piracy. It is actually quite rife. Why risk your ass in a 0.4 pirating, when you can get all the carebears to come to YOU! What some people do is that they can recruit at least 5 decent people a day, lure them to their space, and screw em over. I admit, I have done some carebear piracy, but even I do not stoop so low as to CEO piracy. I assumed the person asked for a randsom beforehand? EDIT: I just thought I would say that CEO pirates are the richest pirates of them all. ------------ Criminal EVE Guides Evil Genius 101 Guide
Aeleva	Posted - 2005.12.20 12:10:00 - [15] yeah that really sucks, although interested to know how a n00b got a full set of +3s. Anyway ignore Without as he seems to have NO idea and not read the topic before posting. Ill agree that if suddenly a corp member locked my ship and fired i would run the hell away. Unless it was my apoc. Mmm apoc.
gfldex	Posted - 2005.12.20 15:36:00 - [16] Originally by: Mithylos I simply wanted to know if there was a reason for allowing corp podkills and gave the information on why I was asking (in case anyone wanted to weigh the good vs the evil). There are plenty of reasons why somebody want to kill corp mates. Maybe somebody else just lifted all corp hangars and you where suspected to do it _and_ fly around in a hauler. Or your corp has a spy problem. Sadly in nearly any empire war the attacker tries to get a spy into the target corp to gather tactical informations. And to shoot spies is fun. :) Actualy shooting ppl is fun in general so your CEO may just get bored. If you want to get some revenge keep an eye on that corp and tell every new member what happend to you. You CEO may give up and joins another corp. Tell them too. EVE may seams to have no penalty for bad behavior but there are a lot chars that commited social suicide and will never be in a good corp again. -- $ perl -n -e 'print "Stop blameing pirates! Oveur is the root of all evil!\n" if m/podkill\|lost my ship\|gank\|gate camp\|Verone/;'
Mithylos	Posted - 2005.12.21 07:59:00 - [17] Originally by: theRaptor How did you as a noob get a full set of +3 implants? Your story smells. Oh and the reason they allow pod killing is for internal corp discipline and justice, as well as for combat accidents. Depends on how you define noob... Been playing for 3 months.. have a battleship (even some tech 2 stuff)... No skills up to lvl 5 yet, but I'm working on it now. I can handle lvl 4 missions with help and I can mine. To me, that's still very noob. Low on ISK atm but I'll get em back one at a time as they pop up on escrow.
Mithylos	Posted - 2005.12.21 08:06:00 - [18] Originally by: Macro Media Edited by: Macro Media on 20/12/2005 12:02:50 I assumed the person asked for a randsom beforehand? EDIT: I just thought I would say that CEO pirates are the richest pirates of them all. Not a word before (he was online for at least 30 minutes before this happened) nor after the kill (he stayed outside the station for almost an hour shooting at me and another corp member before logging off). It's been 2 days and no word in corp mail from him... Plenty from everybody else asking wtf... The other member left the corp and as of 10 minutes ago, I did too (Hello again, Scope). The corp was X-Tray. CEO is zwerg, who, as far as I can tell hasn't been on since before the incident and co-CEO Puncher 01 (the offender). Still don't know what a "carebear" is and if I am one. Thanks for all the input everyone.
Julie Lacette	Posted - 2005.12.21 09:23:00 - [19] Mithylos, so if you¦re a noob, I am a supernoob for being with eve for about 2 month. Hmmm, somehow I dont feel like a noob, mining in 0.0 and trying to keep my butt out of PKs target systems for weeks now. Learned another thing.
Inky Blackness	Posted - 2005.12.21 11:50:00 - [20] our ceo, and directors do that now and again, but it's usually when we have a corp op going on and only half of the peeps who are on are there, not entirely unusual for the ceo to shout a time or 2 on corp chat and ts for guys to join or else, else in this case was the ceo pod juimping to empire and killing said members mining ship, blowing up his indy and podding him back to 0.0 where he should be in the first place, he even helped haul in the op for 20 mins befor logging. Ofcourse we kicked his ass after that and this was the end of a period of "not helping out". Loss for him couple mil for 2 ship, Ceo 34 million in clones. None participation once a week in corp activity and not reading corp chat can be fatal . Morale of the story is being able to pod you corp members is very handy. But not very nice if employed without just cause.

Mithylos	Posted - 2005.12.22 00:21:00 - [21] Originally by: Julie Lacette Mithylos, so if you¦re a noob, I am a supernoob for being with eve for about 2 month. Hmmm, somehow I dont feel like a noob, mining in 0.0 and trying to keep my butt out of PKs target systems for weeks now. Learned another thing. Different people have different learning curves. Also, there are differences in play time. If you play for 2 months at 20-30 hours per week vs someone having been playing for 4 months at 10-14 hours per week. Also, I'm skiddish, so 0.0 is something I saw, briefly, to say I saw it. Again, the definition of noob is subjective. I used to play an FPS called Soldier of Fortune II. After playing for a year, I was still getting mopped by newer players that had spent the time to find shortcuts I simply didn't have the will or interest to go look for. If we had a conversation, judging solely by the content of the conversation (exempting the knowledge of time playing the game), you'd think I was a noob compared to him. I would argue that that was in fact the case regardless of the fact that I had been playing longer.
Ravenstar	Posted - 2005.12.22 10:28:00 - [22] Edited by: Ravenstar on 22/12/2005 10:30:03 Is it just me, or is this not so much a problem of bad corps instead of bad players? I mean every place I have worked has had the policy of firing people when they they asault or steal from a coleague. I think that if a corp is worth anything it should ban and hunt down any member who behaves in a hostile way to other members. Also it would be good thing to have a public record of corps with bad practices. This ofcourse would mean that any corp worth it's salt should have a tribunal where members can defend themselves against false acusations.
Mithylos	Posted - 2005.12.26 09:07:00 - [23] *Update* For those of you who are interested: He evemailed me to apologize for the incident. I am no longer part of that corp, so he easily could've just went his way. He asked about my losses and sent me 100mil ISK for the implant loss. I think this was a very nice (if not rare) gesture on his part. He claims to have no idea what happened either which suggests the possibility of his account being hijacked. I'm an optimist, so I believe him. He and I are squared up now. For the record, I'm still not liking the ability of ANYONE to podkill in high sec regardless of circumstance.
Ysabelle nKataros	Posted - 2005.12.26 11:18:00 - [24] Edited by: Ysabelle nKataros on 26/12/2005 11:18:52 also if this happens to anyone else I recommend that people post their name on the forums to blacklist them so everyone can kill them on sight. Sounds like this guy could be on the level though. -------- MAcheTT3 > Hehe, ok... How much would you take them off for?


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