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Kaleeb
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Posted - 2005.12.20 10:55:00 -
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In the last thread there were 12 odd pages of information on the megathron and possible options for it being upgraded. I`ve made this post to try and condense those options so we can get some good ideas for the devs to think about.
My main problems with this lovely ship is that it was intended to be a blaster boat but somehow ended up being better used with rails. So my initial ideas about changing the mega might cause problems for all the wimps who dont like it close and personal:
Tracking bonus changed to a reduction in cap used by an mwd
blaster given a 50% bonus in tracking and a reduction in fitting reqs.
So it appears we need to find a compromise on this. The likes of Dalman, Dreez and many other experienced mega pilots have made some very good sugestions and i`d like to build on them further.
Perhaps something like this could work:
Reduce reqs on blasters, and give them a tracking/damage boost while reducing the hull on a mega to give it less mass and thus speed and agility.
Constructive comments only pls.
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Brisi
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Posted - 2005.12.20 11:31:00 -
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This what I think the Mega needs:
More base CPU (50-75)
An increase in cap (500-1000)
I currently have a setup that just fits, however, I have to just all the best named equipment, and it's expensive as hell. Also, I cannot fit tech II weapons, not even electrons, as they take far too much cpu.
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Kaleeb
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Posted - 2005.12.20 11:40:00 -
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I dont think you can give it a base cpu boost as this will boost rails etc which dont need boosting at all.
I can fit tech II ions and 2x large armour reps in a setup but its a squeeze and using implants.
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ChalSto
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Posted - 2005.12.20 11:41:00 -
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well.......I¦ve tested the Blasterthron alot and found some good personal setups. IT IS possible to fit ALL Gun-Points with a full rack of blasters (exept the T2-Neutrons......toooo much CPU need  ). It¦s not a problem of cap, cpu or pg........it¦s a problem of tanking and the ship you want to fight against.
Well.......in a "normal" Blaster-Setup with one or 2 NOS in High you got Reg-Electrons and enough CPU und Pg left to fit a Large and a Med Armor-Repair......so far, so well.......
You deal "enough" dmg............but your tanking-abillitys are more than worse against a Torp or Cruise-spamming BS (let¦s this ship calling "R").
Scenario: You fly to ship R, your cap is halfway down, you put all blasters on him, after your shields are down you put the hardeners, the armor-repairs and the cap-booster on and wait, and wait, and wait.....wait........still waiting.......but his shields don¦t go down and your repair-systems can¦t hold his dmg -> Game-Over
Megapilots need better tanking or more Cap or more PG......CPU is just the 2nd problem.
Maybe a solution -> 5% less PG and Cap usage for MWD per Gallente-BS-Skill-Level
and to blance this maybe only 5% to Tracking-Speed or no Tracking-Bonus.
PS: The start and End of your fitting with CPU are the Hardeners! Try Voltaic or N-Type ones and you got more choises for you fitting.
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Kyle Caldrel
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Posted - 2005.12.20 11:42:00 -
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Edited by: Kyle Caldrel on 20/12/2005 11:42:45
who in hell told you that its intended to be a blasterboat?????
look at bonuses, its a freaking railboat
if you want a blasterboat, get a deimos or vindicator, or something
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.12.20 11:43:00 -
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if anything it is cpu... pg is okish.
HatePeace LoveWar[ATUK] >
they ebayed the bs for
grain
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ChalSto
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Posted - 2005.12.20 11:45:00 -
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 Originally by: Kyle Caldrel
Edited by: Kyle Caldrel on 20/12/2005 11:42:45
who in hell told you that its intended to be a blasterboat?????
look at bonuses, its a freaking railboat
if you want a blasterboat, get a deimos or vindicator, or something
sure.....it is a rail-boat........it¦s just the way to fight..........
Blasters are much more fun 
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Kyle Caldrel
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Posted - 2005.12.20 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: ChalSto
Originally by: Kyle Caldrel
Edited by: Kyle Caldrel on 20/12/2005 11:42:45
who in hell told you that its intended to be a blasterboat?????
look at bonuses, its a freaking railboat
if you want a blasterboat, get a deimos or vindicator, or something
sure.....it is a rail-boat........it¦s just the way to fight..........
Blasters are much more fun
yes they are, but I dont fit 1400mm on my raven cuz they are fun, and complain that it sux:)
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Kaleeb
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Posted - 2005.12.20 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kyle Caldrel
Edited by: Kyle Caldrel on 20/12/2005 11:42:45
who in hell told you that its intended to be a blasterboat?????
look at bonuses, its a freaking railboat
if you want a blasterboat, get a deimos or vindicator, or something
Hehe some of us arent rich enough for a Vindicator 
And deimos is well.. paper thin and too hard to replace
my setup atm is
7x ion II
1x hopefully med nos when i train advanced upgrades 4
1x tech II sensor booster
1x mwd
1x webber
1x cap injector
2x large acoms
3x n-type hardners
1x cpu upgrade
1x damage mod/damage control
A reduction in mass and tracking would probably seal the deal for me.
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Kaleeb
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Posted - 2005.12.20 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kyle Caldrel
yes they are, but I dont fit 1400mm on my raven cuz they are fun, and complain that it sux:)
Lol now that would be a sight!
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ChalSto
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Posted - 2005.12.20 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kyle Caldrel
Originally by: ChalSto
Originally by: Kyle Caldrel
Edited by: Kyle Caldrel on 20/12/2005 11:42:45
who in hell told you that its intended to be a blasterboat?????
look at bonuses, its a freaking railboat
if you want a blasterboat, get a deimos or vindicator, or something
sure.....it is a rail-boat........it¦s just the way to fight..........
Blasters are much more fun
yes they are, but I dont fit 1400mm on my raven cuz they are fun, and complain that it sux:)
btw.......the gankathron is a awesome ship.........hell.....200km with 200dmg hit per gun.........and you can take down Ravens in no time, becouse his Cruises are flying and flying and flying and flying........
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Kaleeb
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Posted - 2005.12.20 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: ChalSto
btw.......the gankathron is a awesome ship.........hell.....200km with 200dmg hit per gun.........and you can take down Ravens in no time, becouse his Cruises are flying and flying and flying and flying........
Umm there is no gankathron anymore (damage mod nerf) And if you shoot a raven from 200km I doubt you will hit for 200 damage a shot....and he'll warp..
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Wrayeth
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Posted - 2005.12.20 11:59:00 -
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I have three words for all you blasterthron pilots:
Modal.
Mega.
Ions.
(Yes, they're dropping now - I've got two in my hangar already since the patch.)
-Wrayeth
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ChalSto
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Posted - 2005.12.20 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Kaleeb
Originally by: ChalSto
btw.......the gankathron is a awesome ship.........hell.....200km with 200dmg hit per gun.........and you can take down Ravens in no time, becouse his Cruises are flying and flying and flying and flying........
Umm there is no gankathron anymore (damage mod nerf) And if you shoot a raven from 200km I doubt you will hit for 200 damage a shot....and he'll warp..
ups....sorry then......haven¦t testet gankathron after the patch
but Blasters are still nice.......but PLZ GIVE ME MORE PG FOR A BETTER TANKING YARRR
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Kyle Caldrel
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Posted - 2005.12.20 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kaleeb
Originally by: Kyle Caldrel
Edited by: Kyle Caldrel on 20/12/2005 11:42:45
who in hell told you that its intended to be a blasterboat?????
look at bonuses, its a freaking railboat
if you want a blasterboat, get a deimos or vindicator, or something
Hehe some of us arent rich enough for a Vindicator
And deimos is well.. paper thin and too hard to replace
my setup atm is
7x ion II
1x hopefully med nos when i train advanced upgrades 4
1x tech II sensor booster
1x mwd
1x webber
1x cap injector
2x large acoms
3x n-type hardners
1x cpu upgrade
1x damage mod/damage control
A reduction in mass and tracking would probably seal the deal for me.
hm,, cant you fit scrambler instead of sensorbooster?
of if you have a tackler with you, then painter would be more usefull imo
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R31D
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Posted - 2005.12.20 12:03:00 -
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Your suggested changes would properly sort the blasterthron out, although I'm not sure if it would unbalance railgun setups. Just a small CPU reduction for blasters would be enough (5 per gun) as cap isn't a problem with the megathron, it's a problem with the blasters it fits (and with a cap booster cap is sustainable as long as you have spare cap boost charges, but then you shouldn't be forced to rely upon them...
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ChalSto
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Posted - 2005.12.20 12:11:00 -
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Edited by: ChalSto on 20/12/2005 12:14:27
Originally by: Wrayeth
I have three words for all you blasterthron pilots:
Modal.
Mega.
Ions.
(Yes, they're dropping now - I've got two in my hangar already since the patch.)
My three words in my setup are
Mondal.
Mega.
Neutrons.!
7X Mondal-Mega-Neutrons; 1X Arbalest-Standart
Langour-Webber; Faint-Scrambler(20km); T2-AB; Electro.Chem.Cap-Booster
PDU; T2-MagFieldStab; 3X Voltaic-Hardeners of choise; Large and Med-Accom
It is a fair price/power. Just the accoms and the gun¦s cost about 80-90m
Downside (!) -> Stay away from everything up from 15km!!
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Kaleeb
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Posted - 2005.12.20 12:16:00 -
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I tend to fly with a scout/tackler so sensor booster is helpful. I cant get a named 20km scram on (J5).
Wayreth I dont want to fit Tech I guns on my battleship when I have trained for tech II and should be able to fit them onto the ship. I have 7x modal Ions (thanks rmr)but would rather fit tech II
Cant remember the other guys name, but to fly a blasterthron without covert ops u need a mwd so AB isnt worth it
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Xtro 2
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Posted - 2005.12.20 12:45:00 -
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The thron is probably 1 of few ships that is "Perfect" the way it is, and its NOT a blaster boat, its a ship that does whatever you fit it to do, im a rail user, the ship doesnt need any tweaking or alterations to suit any one favoured setup.
Leave it alone.
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Kaleeb
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Posted - 2005.12.20 13:07:00 -
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Edited by: Kaleeb on 20/12/2005 13:09:25
Edited by: Kaleeb on 20/12/2005 13:07:54
Its perfect for rails yes but if you think blasters work perfectly on it i`d hate to see what you think unbalanced is.
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without
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Posted - 2005.12.20 13:17:00 -
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please reduce T2 blasters CPU requirment, it makes it almost always better to use t1 named because t2 is so cpu intensive
if u get close to a rail, beam, proj ship, u can orbit it and it will miss you a few times, giveing u that reward for getting in closer. but with a raven it doesnt effect it how close you get. it still does the same damage. so maybe bring back splash damage. perhaps only for cruise and torps. or this is gona sound stupid, but give the close range ships a +25% damage output versus the raven (probably unrealistic)
but like i said, if u get close to a long rang turret BS and u orbit him at 3km, he will not hit u well at all so that is the one real bonous of flying close range ships. but vs missiles this doesnt apply
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2005.12.20 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Xtro 2
The thron is probably 1 of few ships that is "Perfect" the way it is, and its NOT a blaster boat, its a ship that does whatever you fit it to do, im a rail user, the ship doesnt need any tweaking or alterations to suit any one favoured setup.
Leave it alone.
i dont think that the megathron needs any of its pg or cpu or slots or bonouses changed
just want lower CPU requirment of t2 large blasters for a start, perhaps increase tracking although this isnt that big a problem.
 lower CPU of t2 blasters (maybe even t1)
lower the cap useage of ALL hybrid and lasers (from small to large, its crazy missiles use no cap and proj use next to no cap)
perhpas lower the PG required by blasters a lil bit (auto tempest guns use less cpu AND LESS PG not to mention 20x less cap)
tempest and gedden have lower sig, which greatly helps in close range combat, any change of getting the megathrons sig reduced? to perhaps that of the gedden? (not a majour issue but would be nice)
did i mention the cpu and cap?
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KompleX
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Posted - 2005.12.20 14:05:00 -
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Why would you want to lower the cap usage of lasers?
Ammarians and theyr lasers have it easy...
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Dreez
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Posted - 2005.12.20 14:18:00 -
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TomB replied that he¦s aware of the issues and did appologise
for "ignoring" the thread. He also said that these issues would
be looked into asap after RMR. Lets leave it at that for now please.
Current Location: In my Blasterthron chasing TomB with a blowtorch
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Kaleeb
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Posted - 2005.12.20 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dreez
TomB replied that he¦s aware of the issues and did appologise
for "ignoring" the thread. He also said that these issues would
be looked into asap after RMR. Lets leave it at that for now please.
Ah thats good news, thanks dreez
As the issues are now being looked at can a mod pls lock this thread as its served its purpose.
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Reto
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Posted - 2005.12.20 14:32:00 -
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Quote:
My main problems with this lovely ship is that it was intended to be a blaster boat but somehow ended up being better used with rails. So my initial ideas about changing the mega might cause problems for all the wimps who dont like it close and personal:
i doubt that there are nay good chnages which limit the variety of kitting out ur ship. imo the more versatile ur ship is the more task it can be imploit in.
rails are a sweet weapon for fleet operations, pos killing (trust me u wouldnt survive a pos assault with having to mwd to a 10km range), npcing etc. one sided changes waeken a ship aswell since ur opponents will use ur closerange specialization against u.
if u intend to strenghten the balster related bonuses i agree with you but if u also intend to weaken the longrange abilities for compensation i doubt its a good idea.
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Rex Martell
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Posted - 2005.12.20 14:57:00 -
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Using the Megathron as a Rail platform is "Evil WRong" and should never be done.
The Megathron IS a Blaster Boat.
I play pretty much exclusively with the Blaster Mega and it is a great Ship. Good Damage and can sport a pretty decent tank.
What it can't do is... Good Damage, sport a decent tank and tackle targets. But to be honest no ship can exceed at all three, two yes but not all three.
Blaster do sufficient damage have excellent tracking.. however less cap usage would be excellent.
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Kaleeb
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Posted - 2005.12.20 14:59:00 -
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Your right I`d never survive a pos without an mwd... 
I think you'll find remote armour reps and a couple of plates are more useful
Blasters are getting fixed so i`m happy now.
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.12.20 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
I have three words for all you blasterthron pilots:
Modal.
Mega.
Ions.
(Yes, they're dropping now - I've got two in my hangar already since the patch.)
I didn't train large blaster spec to use named guns.. >_>
Originally by: ChalSto
My three words in my setup are
Mondal.
Mega.
Neutrons.!
7X Mondal-Mega-Neutrons; 1X Arbalest-Standart
Langour-Webber; Faint-Scrambler(20km); T2-AB; Electro.Chem.Cap-Booster
PDU; T2-MagFieldStab; 3X Voltaic-Hardeners of choise; Large and Med-Accom
It is a fair price/power. Just the accoms and the gun¦s cost about 80-90m
Downside (!) -> Stay away from everything up from 15km!!
That pretty much sums up the crappiness of this setup.
King Liu is RIGHT!!
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Rex Martell
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Posted - 2005.12.20 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kaleeb
Your right I`d never survive a pos without an mwd...
I think you'll find remote armour reps and a couple of plates are more useful
Blasters are getting fixed so i`m happy now.
What are you on? This is a general discussion about the Megathron, Blasters Versus Rails. Strenghts and weakness and neccessary fixes.
POS busting is an extremely specialised job and requires very task specific setup's which are not realistically transferrable to any other task much less a gereral discussion forum.
Go troll somewhere else!
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