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Marlhog Karhigor	Posted - 2005.12.20 12:40:00 - [1] Edited by: Marlhog Karhigor on 20/12/2005 12:41:04 Greetings, i am interested to buy a new monitor for the system on which i play e-o and now, i want to collect all informations i can get before i invest ~1000Ç. #1) Now i hope, that the e-o community can give me some useful informations about max screen resolution, reaction time and so on. What need my new monitor for the best eve experience? Is 1920 x 1200 as max screen resolution state of the art? Is 16ms reaction time enough for eve? What do you think about 24" widescreens for eve? Have you one and are your experience with your monitor more positive or more negative? #2) Currently i have one favorite and this is the "Dell Ultrasharp 2405FPW 24" widescreen LCD Monitor". Have anyone here experience with exactly this monitor and want spend a little bit time to answer me and share your experience about this monitor with me? Thanks in advance for your constructive answers
Seleene	Posted - 2005.12.20 12:45:00 - [2] Edited by: Seleene on 20/12/2005 12:46:27 Get the Dell. I have a 23 inch Sony and wish I'd gotten the Dell. It's bigger, has the same or better stats and is actually cheaper. It also has integrated USB ports, etc... Plus, most of what Dell makes is built to withstand a close range nuclear blast. Stop debating. Get the Dell. It owns. EDIT - I actually play most of the time in 1600:900 windowed mode. It's awesome to run multiple clients on a screen that size and you can still do other stuff on your desktops. However, 1920x1200 is teh SEX in full screen. - The REAL Eve Political Map!
Invisible Touch	Posted - 2005.12.20 12:46:00 - [3] Edited by: Invisible Touch on 20/12/2005 12:48:07 If u like widescreen then that Dell is great. You only need a decent card. I use 1600X1200 on my 20" Dell monitors (2001FP) and Eve is superb. Dells are great VFM. Hope you can get used to the fonts All of the above are personal views/opinions only and not that of my corp or/and alliance Every day we stand is another day for PA.
Fooball	Posted - 2005.12.20 12:50:00 - [4] 1. Buy one that works in one native resolution that is supported by Eve client. Panels look bad if you do not use them exactly in their native resolutions. They will try to anti-alias and fit to the screen and they are doing it well. However it can never look as good as the native resolution. Check what the client supports from settings. 2. The reaction time is complete BS. The measurement of that has never been standardized by the monitor industry and there are some 300% differences in the different ways of measuring it. If you want good action and no trailing etc you can even find 45ms panels that have no such problems. The trick is to find one that has got quality controlling electronics. The specifications can lie to you completely. 3. I suggest that you never ever buy a monitor that you can't see/test in advance. Hit the shops physically. 4. One common problem with cheap panels is that the crystals leak light even when "black". It shows in dark room as weird glow and can **** off people like me. Try to get to see the panel first in DARK. 5. Connectors. You will be happy later if it has got both DVI and the traditional VGA D-SUBs. 6. Warranties. Mine has got next day on-site replacement warranty for still couple months. (Was for 1 year.) Then the couple next years is the repair-and-wait stuff. There are huge differences in that. Some manufacturers have 0-policy for dead pixels or bright ones. With some you can have some 20 broken ones before it goes into warranty. (There's a standard about that and classes and where on the screen the dots may appear and where not etc) Other than that, choose wisely. I myself trust in Viewsonic.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2005.12.20 12:52:00 - [5] I trust Dell COMPLETELY. The laptop I'm typing on now is a new Dell Latitude X1, which just arrived yesterday afternoon. I got this laptop to replace my Dell Latitude C400, which finally died (sorta) after FIVE AND A HALF YEARS of faithful service, despite blatant abuse that would have destroyed a normal machine around year 2. For the last half year of its life, it was so badly beaten that entire sections of its case were missing; I replaced them with handmade plates of aluminum that I glued into place...and despite it all, the damn thing WORKED flawlessly. Definitely go for the Dell Ultrasharp. --------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk

Redundancy	Posted - 2005.12.20 13:04:00 - [6] Edited by: Redundancy on 20/12/2005 13:10:06 Edited by: Redundancy on 20/12/2005 13:08:30 I run a Dell 2405FPW on my home computer, and it's a lovely monitor with good colours. I especially like the fact that you can force sub-natural screen resolutions to be displayed at 1:1 resolution, centered on the screen (I can't run BF2 fullscreen, only 1600x1200). The response time is pretty good (CRT is slightly better, but I don't notice it any more) but at full natural resolution your updates are probably going to be limited to 60Hz, which can lead to 'tearing' in Eve if you move the camera too fast. I think you can enable v-sync through the ESC menu by turning on advanced device settings in prefs.ini though (present interval?). You can also do picture-in-picture with the extra inputs, and run a console / video / etc (although I wish they'd thought of allowing you to turn it vertically and run two horizontal inputs stacked vertically). Personally, I value the extra space on a single monitor (although you can get two smaller LCD monitors for a similar price). I quite like turning it vertical for the forums and for coding, as well as not having any worries about the overview taking up a lot of space when the screen is horizontal. That's just my own opinion, nothing official. There's plenty of good brands of monitor out there, this is just my experience with the one I have. Ps. Just in case it isn't clear, Eve will quite happily run at 1920x1200 (or 1200x1920 if you want to try it) and is in my experience quite happy being driven by a GF 5500 or an x850 (processor always counts for more in Eve anyway).

Torsten Whitehawk	Posted - 2005.12.20 13:07:00 - [7] You should better think about buying a twin-SLI-Ultra-Mega-Card for feeding the load of pixels... And buy me a Mercedes-Benz first _______________________________________ Old NPC-Kill0r-Carebear-Lamer-Spammer Proud to be Octavian!!!
Bsport	Posted - 2005.12.20 13:10:00 - [8] i brougth the dell 24" the other week, eve running at 1920x1200 is a life changing experience Or hf2 and Cs:S at that res is fun worth every penny if u have any question let me know and i'll do my best to answer them --------
Lufio II	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:13:00 - [9] Well, I'm running the Dell 2405FPW as well and loving it. EVE doesn't have any problems with any resolution, as long as they're supported by your card. I got the chance to actually connect 2 of those to my card and got a resolution of 38401280 spanned over both Screens... (had to send one back due to extreme ghosting and they sent the replacement first before they fetched the defective one a day later, that's how I get 2 of them for a day). EVE offered that resolution, as well as any ratio on that, and ran perfectly fine with it. The only problem with that extreme resolution is the fish eye effect you'll get at the very left and right of that screen, and when you look close you'll already notice that on 19201280 as well... anyhow, on 2 screens it looks like that: the two Screens running EVE the resulting Screenshot MSSI Forums Provider of Prorator Blockade Runner Transport Ships in Domain
Larshus Magrus	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:36:00 - [10] Edited by: Larshus Magrus on 20/12/2005 16:37:28 Edited by: Larshus Magrus on 20/12/2005 16:36:42 I am using a 24 inch 1920x1200 with a 7800GT no problem. 70+ (150+ sometimes) fps is the norm. I play fullscreen most times as I have a linux box sitting next to the gaming box to everything else except games. Btw do some research on TFT's before buying the Dell. The Dell's panel is, in my opinion and nearly every other reviewer thats worth his/her salt, substandard. Its slow, its color saturation is sub par, and it has annoying hot spots. It is cheap, but there are a few other monitors that perform much better. In the price range you are looking at I would highly suggest the HP L2335. Its "only" 23 inch. Its 1920x1200 and its "16ms" although as noted, the 16 ms doesnt mean much. However if you read the reviews (anandtech, toms hardware, ect) You'll notice that the panel (which is a current, read THIS year) is exceptionally fast across the full color gamut. Good color reproduction, good blacks, and uniform color. Can you buy a better monitor. Yes. You'll have to spend 2x as much though. Its the best monitor in its price point. Newegg has it in stock, and thier shipping is very reasonable. Oh, plus it has all the tv goodies you'd expect in a high end monitor too. Someone mentioned tearing. Set the vsynch correctly in your card driver and this wont be a problem.
Skarsnik	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:37:00 - [11] I'm with everyone else on this subject - had a dell2405 for the last 5 months at least and I'm on course to buy a second just for the extra extended DVD watching while playing EVE The resolution and depth you can get from it is astounding. ------------------------------------------------- Statement of the Obvious Contrary to Popular belief - it is NOT possible to walk on water.
Thomus	Posted - 2005.12.20 16:37:00 - [12] ibtm? shouldn't this be OOPE. i got 2x 17" tft running, eve in one, this page in the other :-) ---------------- Tom
Kahn Moquil	Posted - 2005.12.20 17:13:00 - [13] Originally by: Redundancy snipped for space It's good to know that the Devs have time to reply to the oh so important issue of what screen to use. Now can you poke the other devs and ask them to give us some info on some of the less important issues please?
Xascor	Posted - 2005.12.20 17:18:00 - [14] I can also recommend the Dell. Great screen at a great price. EVE looks awesome @ 1920 x 1200. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Still working on
Angelus X	Posted - 2005.12.20 17:27:00 - [15] be interesting to hear some prices on these monitors folks! --------------------
Thorne Semperti	Posted - 2005.12.20 17:37:00 - [16] Originally by: Lufio II Well, I'm running the Dell 2405FPW as well and loving it. EVE doesn't have any problems with any resolution, as long as they're supported by your card. I got the chance to actually connect 2 of those to my card and got a resolution of 38401280 spanned over both Screens... (had to send one back due to extreme ghosting and they sent the replacement first before they fetched the defective one a day later, that's how I get 2 of them for a day). EVE offered that resolution, as well as any ratio on that, and ran perfectly fine with it. The only problem with that extreme resolution is the fish eye effect you'll get at the very left and right of that screen, and when you look close you'll already notice that on 19201280 as well... anyhow, on 2 screens it looks like that: the two Screens running EVE the resulting Screenshot I hate you.
Harlequinn	Posted - 2005.12.20 19:15:00 - [17] Originally by: Lufio II Well, I'm running the Dell 2405FPW as well and loving it. EVE doesn't have any problems with any resolution, as long as they're supported by your card. I got the chance to actually connect 2 of those to my card and got a resolution of 38401280 spanned over both Screens... (had to send one back due to extreme ghosting and they sent the replacement first before they fetched the defective one a day later, that's how I get 2 of them for a day). EVE offered that resolution, as well as any ratio on that, and ran perfectly fine with it. The only problem with that extreme resolution is the fish eye effect you'll get at the very left and right of that screen, and when you look close you'll already notice that on 19201280 as well... anyhow, on 2 screens it looks like that: the two Screens running EVE the resulting Screenshot Well, thats it! Nobody is getting X-mas presents now! Papa needs a second widescreen monitor. --Victory needs no explanation, defeat allows none.--
Jarnis McPieksu	Posted - 2005.12.20 19:27:00 - [18] WTB: Modification to EVE to be able to alter 3D viewport. So with 2 monitors, you can have fullscreen 3D view in one display, and drag UI windows to the second display without the problem that your ship will get split in half mid-screen and everything is veeeery wide. So I could put two 1600x1200 screens side by side, then set EVE Fullscreen 3200x1200, BUT specify that 3D viewport should only be 1600x1200. Then set that viewport to screen 1, and use screen 2 for overview, scanner, inventory etc etc...
Alvara	Posted - 2005.12.20 19:32:00 - [19] whats even more fun is havin g duel monitors and having an eve client on each one. :) Yes it is possible. I did so with a bfg 6800 gt oc. its gorgeous.
MrPops	Posted - 2005.12.20 19:37:00 - [20] I'm running EVE on a 27" Viewsonic LCD at 1280 X 720 and an ATI 9800pro. It simply looks amazing and no ghosting. I would like to run it at a higher resolution but I bought the screen on sale for $699 and I thought it was a bargain. http://www.viewsonic.com/products/tventertainment/lcdtv/n2750w/
Miss Marketing	Posted - 2005.12.20 19:47:00 - [21] Originally by: Marlhog Karhigor Edited by: Marlhog Karhigor on 20/12/2005 12:41:04 Greetings, i am interested to buy a new monitor for the system on which i play e-o and now, i want to collect all informations i can get before i invest ~1000Ç. #1) Now i hope, that the e-o community can give me some useful informations about max screen resolution, reaction time and so on. What need my new monitor for the best eve experience? Is 1920 x 1200 as max screen resolution state of the art? Is 16ms reaction time enough for eve? What do you think about 24" widescreens for eve? Have you one and are your experience with your monitor more positive or more negative? #2) Currently i have one favorite and this is the "Dell Ultrasharp 2405FPW 24" widescreen LCD Monitor". Have anyone here experience with exactly this monitor and want spend a little bit time to answer me and share your experience about this monitor with me? Thanks in advance for your constructive answers I'm running two 2405FPW's and am very happy with them. I needed the ability to have picture-in-picture for two SVideo feeds I have from security cameras though plus I'm using the D-SUB connectors to pull in the output from two different KVMs, and I use the component on one to watch a AV feed when I need too. You could go for the version that has less inputs if you don't need all of that though. Very nice monitor.
Razin	Posted - 2005.12.20 19:58:00 - [22] But is there a way to disable the EVE's screen-edge distortion at wide screen resolutions? (or any resolutions)
Emmerich Steiner	Posted - 2005.12.20 20:01:00 - [23] Edited by: Emmerich Steiner on 20/12/2005 20:01:58 I have a 2405FPW as well, and it is a most excellent monitor. Thought 1000 euros is a little steep for one of those.. Dell often has sales on that monitor, I got mine for $850 USD about 4 months ago.. And my buddy got one with a Pentium-D system for $1200 (He sold the system for $500, on Ebay.. effectivly making the monitor cost about $700 USD) If you wait and check the various hot deal forums on sites like www.anandtech.com and www.broadbandreports.com, the dell monitor hot deals will eventually show up. Currently training: Original Sig / Rank 1 / SP: 254657 of 256000
nonsequitur	Posted - 2005.12.20 20:39:00 - [24] I bought my Dell 2405FPW about 3 months ago, and all I can say is whoot! I had an ati 9800pro when I first got the display, and various resolutions (especially the native 1920x1200) were supported out of the box with eve. With the 9800pro at 1920x1200 I was getting about 40-50fps in eve. As for ghosting (with eve) it is present, but for me, hardly noticeable. What was more noticeable for me was tearing (horrizontal jaggies when motion is high on screen). This was due to the fact I had vsync turned off (in eve, escape menu, graphics tab, then device settings "present interval" set to "interval immediate"), and in my graphics driver options set to application preference. I have since upgraded with a stop-gap agp card to a x850pro(agp) which I have modded with aftermarket cooling and oc'd from (gpu:500/mem:500 default) to (gpu:560/mem:621), I now get 140-160fps (station) and 80-100 (space). What I find makes eve look flawless is for me to set vsync on("interval one" in advanced device graphics), and force eve to run in sync with the dell 2405 at 60 fps. The tearing is gone, and even the ghosting is minimized to barely perceptible (for me at least, ymmv). Moving around in eve looks silky smooth and like glass. The 2405 was well worth the cost for me, I love this screen. And eve has never looked better. The only complaint I have is the fact that other games tend to lag behind the times with proper support for the widescreen formats and resolutions. You may have to deal with other games stuck with black borders on the sides running at 1600x1200 instead of 1920x1200... but for eve... flawless. Besides, isn't EVE the only game worth playing? (: Just make sure you have a fairly modern graphics card to push the pixels with, and you should be fine. Good luck with your purchase.
Marlhog Karhigor	Posted - 2005.12.21 10:15:00 - [25] First i want to thx for all your good informations about widescreens and eve. I decide me now for the DELL 2405FPW 24" becouse it looks like a very good monitor for me and my local hardware dealer make me a very very good offer for this monitor (650Ç). Now i hope that my graphic card can manage all this pixel with a good fp/s rate. But i think that my "Gainward PowerPack! Ultra/1980 XP TV-DVI-DVI" has no problem with this btw: i love you all
SengH	Posted - 2005.12.21 10:20:00 - [26] If it matters to you their releasing the 2407 FPW (the 2405 + HDCP) in january... if watching HD movies on Vista matters to you.
SengH	Posted - 2005.12.21 11:23:00 - [27] Oh yeah I forgot to add... dell is adding a 30" LCD to their lineup calling it the 3007FPW. To be released jan 06... although im 90% sure you'll need a dual link DVI card to run it. Personally i think the 2405 fpw is big enough.. I really dont see wtf i would be doing with 30" of screenspace. Might as well just get a 52" 1080p plasma for near the same price.
Lufio II	Posted - 2005.12.21 12:30:00 - [28] The dell is great. One hint tho, don't buy it through their website. ALWAYS call them, you can bargain a lot that way. That way I bought mine shortly after it came out for like 850Ç plus tax, when it was listed for more than 1200Ç on their site. MSSI Forums Provider of Prorator Blockade Runner Transport Ships in Domain
Fooball	Posted - 2005.12.21 12:31:00 - [29] Originally by: SengH If it matters to you their releasing the 2407 FPW (the 2405 + HDCP) in january... if watching HD movies on Vista matters to you. DRM'd connectors 4tw
Zafar	Posted - 2005.12.21 14:06:00 - [30] Originally by: Jarnis McPieksu WTB: Modification to EVE to be able to alter 3D viewport. So with 2 monitors, you can have fullscreen 3D view in one display, and drag UI windows to the second display without the problem that your ship will get split in half mid-screen and everything is veeeery wide. So I could put two 1600x1200 screens side by side, then set EVE Fullscreen 3200x1200, BUT specify that 3D viewport should only be 1600x1200. Then set that viewport to screen 1, and use screen 2 for overview, scanner, inventory etc etc... I second that. It seems that I'm poorer than most people in this thread. I've got "only" one 19" LCD, and an old 15" LCD. I wish I could put scanner, map, market, browser on my 15", and the main view of the game on my 19". This way my 19" could run at 12801024 as usual, and my 15" at 1024768 (since it can't go above anyway). - Z.

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