My Machariel danced on the razor's edge and brought swift death... the Vargur plows the enemy under, salts the earth and carts off their riches.

Now what new nerfs are planned for the Mach? I have been away for 6 months or so.

PVE. I can not imagine this tub in PVP....I have heard that the marauders are going to get some love so maybe later.
Now what new nerfs are planned for the Mach? I have been away for 6 months or so.

Its not tracking what 8s an issue using AC in pve it is range and while u can fit mach with 3 te and 3ven tc u can fit 4 gyros and dmg rig putting it with mor3 tang3 paper dps and real dps because it will ev3n out track that silly 3 pg mod fit you post3d.

You still work with limited range slower ship less dps ,agility and drones, tracking and range.

st9ck AC range is horrible no m2d will help you there.

The Vargur seems to be doing well in PvP when fitted with dual ASBs, because it gets a bonus to shield boost amount.

One also does not need TEs for the Vargur that much, because it gets a bonus to tracking speed. One can do something like this for PvE:

[Vargur, PvE MWD + Artillery + Vampires]

Damage Control II (or Gyrostabilizer II)
Reactor Control Unit II
Reactor Control Unit II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II (mission-specific)
Thermic Dissipation Field II (mission-specific)
Kinetic Deflection Field II (mission-specific)
Large Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II

800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma L
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Small Tractor Beam II

Large Ancillary Current Router I
Large Projectile Burst Aerator II

Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5

The vampires need to be targeted at NPC battleships, which then feed the shield booster and lets it tank pretty well. The MWD lets one get into optimal range fast.

Against Serpentis and fitted like above will it tank around 600 eHP/s near cap stable.

I am not trained up on either of these ships but I can only imagine trying to run WC with this fit and LMAO.

How long does the MWD last while trying to close range on ships that are 100km away? Sorry not home to figure it our myself.

Its not tracking what 8s an issue... and 3ven tc u can fit... putting it with mor3 rang3 paper dps... it will ev3n out track that silly 3 pg mod fit you post3d.

Wow. Some people actually must think it's KEWL to post like that.

Fit right, the vargur is >= the mach, IMO, but with the numerous fail fits out there it gets a bad rep(see the dcu/rcu fit).

Dps is different one have it more before dron3s and even more after because on mach u can use 4 sentry or heavy and still have flight of smalls.

agility is not the same nor does is speed.

And there is difference in being flying brick and must go close to do any dmg and being effective and not having to do so...

also that fir you posred will not have better tracking than any other mini bs using few tracking mods machariel included.

The range is sufficient for 'most' missions.

[Vargur, PvE MWD + ACs + Vampires]

Ravenclaw2kk, I think that a prop mod is pretty much essential for Marauders, due to their hybrid missioning DPS/salvaging aspect.

All respect Whitehound, I generally find your posts reliable. But that fit is terrifying. ...
[Vargur, Bloodsail]
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Is probably not going to get hit with the nerf bat like the Mach.

I have taken a look at your fitting and I can see why you are getting into trouble with it. Firstly, the X-Large Shield Booster regenerates shields fast, but as you have noticed will it run out of cap fast, too, and has to be pulsed. It makes for a great "panic button", but is not more effective than a Large Shield Booster. Both provide the same sustained amount while the XL needs more powergrid and cap. It may feel nice and save, because it is bigger, but it also falls apart quickly.

Secondly and more importantly, the Large Shield Extender only gives you more eHP, but does little for your shield booster. When you fit an Adaptive Invulnerability Shield instead will you get the same eHP as you get with the LSE, but the shield booster becomes more effective, too, because of the higher shield resistances. In addition can you drop the Core Defense Field Extender rig for a second CCC to let your shield booster run longer or to pulse it more frequently. It will result in a 36% higher, sustained boost rate, which is more worth than 15% more shields when your tank is under pressure.