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Corporal Slaughter
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.06 12:02:00 -
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Hi,
since I am bored as hell from mining and ever since I read about some guys that bought 100 T1 frigates, I am about to set out to start to learn pvp.
I can fly all frigates from all races, as well as a lot of T2 guns (except beam weapons and rockets / missiles)
I am not asking about the secret WIN-Button, but for the easiest T1 frigate to use. also it should have the ability to be changed once the basic loadout is mastered.
Aesthetics dont play a role at all (although I LOVE the rifter hull)....
so, I am looking for the T1 frigate perfectly suitable for absolute noobies. I expect to die . a lot. So T1 hull with T2 mods is the absolute max I am wiling to jump into fo this.
thx in advance |

Seraph Castillon
Justified Chaos
77
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Posted - 2013.08.06 12:21:00 -
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If you want easy to use you could try a buffer Merlin. However that fit gets hard-countered a lot these days. Fly a rail, scram, web Tristan then, don't forget your drones. |

Corporal Slaughter
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.08.06 12:26:00 -
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Seraph Castillon wrote:If you want easy to use you could try a buffer Merlin. However that fit gets hard-countered a lot these days. Fly a rail, scram, web Tristan then, don't forget your drones.
tactic used would be kite, 20km range web if target gets closer and let the drones do the dirty work ?
gotta look to find some youtube vids for that.
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1286
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Posted - 2013.08.06 13:16:00 -
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Its pretty hard to **** up a plated tristan.
However i will always recommend the best t1 brawler. The incursus (Just don't ******* dual rep it) BYDI recruitment closed-ish |

Liam Inkuras
Justified Chaos
371
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Posted - 2013.08.06 13:19:00 -
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The neut Tristan is the trump card against all other brawlers within 6km. I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone |

Corporal Slaughter
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.08.06 13:24:00 -
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the tristan is nice as well. I found a ton of videos a long time ago. it was dual repped though :-)
i tried to emulate that and it was just frustrating as the reps couldnt keep upt to the damage ...
although an incursus against a Attack Frigate seems kinda .... stupid. for the Incursus.
so whats a good fit for both the incursus and the tristan ? I will eft both and see what max dps / EHP i can get with my skills... |

Seraph Castillon
Justified Chaos
77
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Posted - 2013.08.06 13:42:00 -
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I'm not sure I'm happy with the Tristan fit below, I threw it together quicky and haven't tried it yet. I'll also include Gavriels Incursus fit so you can compare. The Tristan can be fit in many ways and I'm sure you'll be able to experiment once you get the basics down.
The fit I posted works as follows:
1) The first time you undock: -Turn auto-reload off on the Small Ancillary Armor Repairer. Every time you undock after that you will double check that it's still off. -Set default "Keep at range" range at 7800m
2) As soon as you enter system: -Overheat guns (Shift + Click) -Overheat Small Ancillary Armor Repairer (Shift + Click)
3) In battle: -Lock target -Web -Scram -AB on -Keep at range -Launch drones -Activate guns -Send drones to target if they haven't followed the actions of your guns -If target is closing in or burning off: overheat AB -Watch the heat on your modules, if too much of the bar is turning red: turn off heat -If you start taking armor damage cycle your Small Ancillary Armor Repairer -Turn the Small Ancillary Armor Repairer off again if your armor HP is high enough, do not let it run for no reason. -Every time you turn off the Small Ancillary Armor Repairer you heat on it will be off as well. Turn it back on before every activation.(Shift + Click) -Again, keep an eye on your range to the target. It should always be between 7000-8000m -There is more, but ... yeah, start with this.
4)Preventive measures -Do not fight Condors, Slicers or other kiting fits. -Do not fight faction or T2 frigates. -Do not fight destroyers (I'm not saying you cannot kill these in a Tristan, I'm saying you shouldn't try if you're a noob.)
5) Feel free to meta 3 the mid slots until you learn.
[Tristan, Rail Tristan 200mm Plate] 200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste Damage Control II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I 1MN Afterburner II
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S 150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S [empty high slot]
Small Semiconductor Memory Cell I Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I Small Ancillary Current Router I
Hobgoblin II x5
[Incursus, Garviel Tarrant] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Small Armor Repairer II Internal Force Field Array I
1MN Afterburner II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S 125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S 125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I Small Semiconductor Memory Cell I Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Hobgoblin II x1 |

Corporal Slaughter
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.08.06 13:48:00 -
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thx, will try that out.
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Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
157
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Posted - 2013.08.06 17:29:00 -
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all frigates are the same crap. none of them stand out. they all suck. fly real ships like cruisers bc's and battleships
and it really helps if you have triple link ogb and falcon alt |

Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
446
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Posted - 2013.08.06 17:48:00 -
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Flyinghotpocket wrote:all frigates are the same crap. none of them stand out. they all suck. fly real ships like cruisers bc's and battleships
and it really helps if you have triple link ogb and falcon alt
Show us where the mean man touched your failfit frigate. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1292
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Posted - 2013.08.06 17:58:00 -
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Seraph Castillon wrote:I'm not sure I'm happy with the Tristan fit below, I threw it together quicky and haven't tried it yet. I'll also include Gavriels Incursus fit so you can compare. The Tristan can be fit in many ways and I'm sure you'll be able to experiment once you get the basics down.
The fit I posted works as follows:
1) The first time you undock: -Turn auto-reload off on the Small Ancillary Armor Repairer. Every time you undock after that you will double check that it's still off. -Set default "Keep at range" range at 7800m
2) As soon as you enter system: -Overheat guns (Shift + Click) -Overheat Small Ancillary Armor Repairer (Shift + Click)
3) In battle: -Lock target -Web -Scram -AB on -Keep at range -Launch drones -Activate guns -Send drones to target if they haven't followed the actions of your guns -If target is closing in or burning off: overheat AB -Watch the heat on your modules, if too much of the bar is turning red: turn off heat -If you start taking armor damage cycle your Small Ancillary Armor Repairer -Turn the Small Ancillary Armor Repairer off again if your armor HP is high enough, do not let it run for no reason. -Every time you turn off the Small Ancillary Armor Repairer you heat on it will be off as well. Turn it back on before every activation.(Shift + Click) -Again, keep an eye on your range to the target. It should always be between 7000-8000m -There is more, but ... yeah, start with this.
4)Preventive measures -Do not fight Condors, Slicers or other kiting fits. -Do not fight faction or T2 frigates. -Do not fight destroyers (I'm not saying you cannot kill these in a Tristan, I'm saying you shouldn't try if you're a noob.)
5) Feel free to meta 3 the mid slots until you learn.
[Tristan, Rail Tristan 200mm Plate] 200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste Damage Control II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I 1MN Afterburner II
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S 150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S [empty high slot]
Small Semiconductor Memory Cell I Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I Small Ancillary Current Router I
Hobgoblin II x5
[Incursus, Garviel Tarrant] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Small Armor Repairer II Internal Force Field Array I
1MN Afterburner II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S 125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S 125mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I Small Semiconductor Memory Cell I Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Hobgoblin II x1
So close!
Should be a SAAR. Also because the SAAR is more cap efficient you can ditch the Semi for another nano pump.
Thats not a very terrible noob friendly ship though as it requires proper knowledge of complicated concept like "overheat your fecking AB" and "align out vs attack frigs to keep transversal down"
those are all at least two to three mouseclicks!
But yea the rail incursus ***** over most other frigs in the game. Other fun targets for it are enyos and thrashers (against whoom i recommend keeping at range 9km and overheating scram, guns, repper and it really helps to scream for the entire duration of the fight)
EDIT: You should also always preheat your AB and run at least the first cycle on heat, if you pull range comfortably like that you can take heat off. The way you begin the fight is really important.
Also if you land on zero with something dangerous you want to double click in front of you, turn your ab on and THEN lock. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |

Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
31
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:49:00 -
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don't bother its nothing but instant death if you try to solo pvp. Everyone will be using tech 2 weapons.
Either join a pvp corp or give up |

Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1294
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:51:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:don't bother its nothing but instant death if you try to solo pvp. Everyone will be using tech 2 weapons.
Either join a pvp corp or give up
How is everyone using tech 2 weapons a death sentance? wtf? BYDI recruitment closed-ish |

Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
31
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:54:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Paul Otichoda wrote:don't bother its nothing but instant death if you try to solo pvp. Everyone will be using tech 2 weapons.
Either join a pvp corp or give up How is everyone using tech 2 weapons a death sentance? wtf?
oh wait he has tech 2 weapons as well. Well fire away, he'll still die though |

Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
157
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Posted - 2013.08.06 20:45:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:Flyinghotpocket wrote:all frigates are the same crap. none of them stand out. they all suck. fly real ships like cruisers bc's and battleships
and it really helps if you have triple link ogb and falcon alt Show us where the mean man touched your failfit frigate. show me where any frigate does anything better than the other. they are all crap. |

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
2965
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Posted - 2013.08.07 01:25:00 -
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The "Derp-Tron" (see: gank-fit Atron with a Damage Control and MWD).
Simply fit the ship... undock... find a target frigate (that's not within 150km of the gate)... burn right towards it... overload everything... tackle, shoot, and PRAY! Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |

IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
511
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Posted - 2013.08.07 02:45:00 -
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LM Hookbill FTW.
  
If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |

Seraph Castillon
Justified Chaos
77
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Posted - 2013.08.07 07:59:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:So close!
Should be a SAAR. Also because the SAAR is more cap efficient you can ditch the Semi for another nano pump.
You've changed it then. I was wondering why you kept flying T2 SAR. :p
Garviel Tarrant wrote:Thats not a very terrible noob friendly ship though
The problem with the straightforward fits is that they usually require rockets (Kestrel, Hookbill, ...), which the OP hasn't trained or are easily countered by the "new" scram range kiting meta. |

Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1298
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Posted - 2013.08.07 08:10:00 -
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Seraph Castillon wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:So close!
Should be a SAAR. Also because the SAAR is more cap efficient you can ditch the Semi for another nano pump. You've changed it then. I was wondering why you kept flying T2 SAR. :p Garviel Tarrant wrote:Thats not a very terrible noob friendly ship though The problem with the straightforward fits is that they usually require rockets (Kestrel, Hookbill, ...), which the OP hasn't trained or are easily countered by the "new" scram range kiting meta.
I used SARs while SAAR's were like 10 mil, thats all :P
I havn't used a SAR since, since they ancils are just better.
But yea if a noob can get a handle on the rail incursus they are golden. It was one of the first frigs i ever used.
And Flyinghotpocket, You're a moron. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |

Raptors Mole
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
157
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Posted - 2013.08.07 12:51:00 -
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Frigate fights are fast and furious, great fun and your wallet doesn't scream each time you lose.
Approx 10mil for a T2 fit Frig.
Consider joining FW -
You get fights, including solo fights and you can control what ship types enter the plex. novice plexes only allow T1 and faction Frigs in.
Make loads of ISK in plexes waiting for fights, so you have a steady income to pay for your soon to be PvP habbit.
Its a lot of fun.
There are downsides - you can't dock in enemy lowsec stations etc.
Read up to learn more.
And I agree - Flyinghotpocket is a moron. |
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Corporal Slaughter
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.08.07 15:29:00 -
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Raptors Mole wrote:Frigate fights are fast and furious, great fun and your wallet doesn't scream each time you lose.
Approx 10mil for a T2 fit Frig.
Consider joining FW -
You get fights, including solo fights and you can control what ship types enter the plex. novice plexes only allow T1 and faction Frigs in.
Make loads of ISK in plexes waiting for fights, so you have a steady income to pay for your soon to be PvP habbit.
Its a lot of fun.
There are downsides - you can't dock in enemy lowsec stations etc.
Read up to learn more.
And I agree - Flyinghotpocket is a moron.
Edit: Oh and a spell in RvB/Brave Newbies/Eve Uni wouldn't be a bad thing to learn the basics.
thx
I did join FW recently (well my Main did) :-)
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Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
451
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Posted - 2013.08.07 16:02:00 -
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Flyinghotpocket wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Flyinghotpocket wrote:all frigates are the same crap. none of them stand out. they all suck. fly real ships like cruisers bc's and battleships
and it really helps if you have triple link ogb and falcon alt Show us where the mean man touched your failfit frigate. show me where any frigate does anything better than the other. they are all crap.
So, your position is that since they're balanced, they all suck? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!! Wow, thanks, I needed a good laugh.
http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |

Drax Concrilla
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
13
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Posted - 2013.08.07 17:00:00 -
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I'm going to second the gank Atron. Just be sure to fit Null S until you get more than the basics down.
Here's a good fit, from Godsapples:
[Atron, Teh Best Atron Eva!!!1!!one!] Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
1MN Afterburner II X5 Prototype Engine Enervator J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Light Neutron Blaster II Light Neutron Blaster II Light Neutron Blaster II Empty
Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I Empty
Does a ton of damage and can handle most solo situations well. Avoid kiters, unless you MWD it but that entails a whole host of other problems which I won't cover here. |

Cable Udan
The Tuskers
240
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Posted - 2013.08.08 01:17:00 -
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Tormentor is lots of fun right now.
Fly at the edge of scram range, load Scorch, unleash Warrior IIs, collect killmail.
[Tormentor, Tormentor fit]
Internal Force Field Array I Small Ancillary Armor Repairer Heat Sink II Adaptive Nano Plating II
1MN Afterburner II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Energy Burst Aerator I Small Energy Collision Accelerator I [Empty Rig slot]
Warrior II x2 If you're feeling cheap you can drop the IFFA for a meta 3 suitcase. With las0rz O/H you do 189dps including drones.
Enjoy! http://chasingtheblueflash.blogspot.com/ My Pirate Blog |

Heather Cole
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
1
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:16:00 -
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Raptors Mole wrote:
Edit: Oh and a spell in RvB/Brave Newbies/Eve Uni wouldn't be a bad thing to learn the basics.
+1 for a short stay in BNI
You'll be in the same boat (Boat. Ship. See what I did there?) as half of the member base so you won't get shunned for being a newbro, and there are frigate fleets most nights that are hilarious fun. There's a core of bittervets who don't quite get the bitter part and are more than willing to help new people learn the ropes of PVP.
[On Topic] My vote for newbie frig is the Tristan. Better damage projection than any other frig provided your drone skills are half decent. Yeah, the dual rep Incursus is pretty rad, but if you can pull range they're dead. You can't pull range on drones without disengaging. |

Saiyon
R3X Project
90
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Posted - 2013.08.13 15:02:00 -
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Don't listen to any of the folks getting down on solo frig pvp. There is lots of it to be found especially in FW systems (head for the small and novice plexes).
Don't buy 100 of the same ship. Variety is the spice of life and you will learn more about the limitations and weakness of ships as much by flying them as killing them.
I have to concur with what a lot of people here have said:
- The Incursus is a really solid T1 frig especially active tanked.
The Kestrel works well too but not suitable for your skills. The Tormentor is probably the best Amarr frig with it's 3 mid slots, go for a big buffer tank by fitting a 400m plate.
(All these are good for brawling which generally means getting up close and personal with webs and scrams)
For kiting I would recommend, the condor, atron and slasher. When kiting go for a long point get the T2 disrupter as it goes to 24k. Stay outside of scram and web range and slowly kill your target. You need to learn how to control range. It's trickier than brawling but you have a better chance to escape if needs be.
Finally:
It's about trying to get fights on your terms or when the risk is acceptable. Learn to use your dscan to the point it becomes a religion. Most people in lowsec are quite friendly and will chat to you after the fight too which is often worthwhile.
Hopefully I'll see you out there! |
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