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Ran'shad
Imperial Manufacturing and Engineering Regiment
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Posted - 2011.10.27 12:58:00 -
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Greetings fellow pilots,
Recently I have been made aware of a horrid practice that needs to be stopped. It seems that, in an attempt to abide by the laws of the states they are entering, some pilots are jettisoning human cargo into space. I along with other Holders and non Holders alike abhor this practice and feel that it must be stopped.
The sad reality is that because of the oppressive laws of the various states, human property - or slaves to use the more common term - is not permitted to be transported across many borders, thus resulting in these unscrupulous transport pilots tossing many innocent lives into space. Often these pilots leave them in jettison cans with a short supply of breathable air and only time to contemplate their inevitable fate.
Some of these individuals are picked up by passing vessels while many more are left to die. Some organisations have taken this opportunity to press their political agendas and force these slaves to embrace the cold reality of freedom - taking beings who have been provided every necessity of life for service and forcing them to fend for themselves in this cruel, careless universe. I wish to offer an alternative.
The next time you are passing through the borderlands between the Empire and another of the states and come across a jet can filled with innocents, I would ask that you rescue them and return them to the closest station in that system. Once docked, please send a message to myself. I would be more than willing to compensate you for the time and resources expended in rescuing them and returning them to the Empire. Contracts also work well, however the prices are negotiable.
I promise that I will take good care of the rescued individuals, ensure that they get any medical attention they need and are returned to their rightful place in the universe. I may even choose to 'adopt' some of them myself and find them meaningful work at one of my facilities.
Thank you for helping your fellow man.
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Arkady Sadik
Gradient Electus Matari
147
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Posted - 2011.10.27 13:41:00 -
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Quote:force these slaves to embrace the cold reality of freedom So, you just forced capsuleers to face the "cold reality" of freedom of choice as to where these people should go? How cruel of you. I recommend five self-flagellations and ten Ave Jamyl for this sin.
On a more serious note: Electus Matari is happy to pick up passengers for transport to our Freedom Programs in the Republic, even (or especially) in the Empire. Should the dear reader be interested in this offer, please do not hesitate to contact myself, any other diplomat of the alliance, or any of our CEOs.
Thank you for your kind work.
Arkady Sadik Head Diplomat, Electus Matari |

Mekhana
Spiritus Draconis
246
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Posted - 2011.10.27 14:32:00 -
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That's a very amusing spin on the situation. That's actually called releasing people that are unlawfully and unfairly held for forced cheap labor to the local authorities so they can be looked after and reintroduced to a normal society. |

Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
47
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Posted - 2011.10.27 15:07:00 -
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Ran'shad wrote: Some organisations have taken this opportunity to press their political agendas and force these slaves to embrace the cold reality of freedom - taking beings who have been provided every necessity of life for service and forcing them to fend for themselves in this cruel, careless universe. I wish to offer an alternative.
In other words, you want us to willingly break our own laws by transporting slaves.
Not going to happen.
Any slaves I find in a jetcan will be returned to their own people, or should that be impossible, to an appropriate rehabilitation program -- such as the one offered by Mr. Sadik. I certainly will not send them back into slavery. |

Ran'shad
Imperial Manufacturing and Engineering Regiment
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Posted - 2011.10.27 15:26:00 -
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Mekhana wrote:That's a very amusing spin on the situation. That's actually called releasing people that are unlawfully and unfairly held for forced cheap labor to the local authorities so they can be looked after and reintroduced to a normal society.
My research, and that of several highly respected galactic sociologists, suggests that introducing them into the larger Minmatar society is actually harmful to these individuals. How many of the 'graduates' - for lack of a better term - of the matriculation programs suffer serious psychological trauma as a result of the overwhelming burden placed on them to sink or swim in the cut-throat Minmatar society?
The best thing for them is to be returned to the life and society they were raised in, be it at a planetary settlement and factory or aboard station at an assembly facility. To tear them away from the lives they know, confine them and force them to fend for themselves is tantamount to torture. We offer a safe and secure environment where service earns them salvation. |

Gottii
Lutinari Syndicate Electus Matari
4
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Posted - 2011.10.27 15:47:00 -
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If returning them to their People is so traumatic to them, perhaps they never should have been taken from the clans and septs in the first place... |

Arkady Sadik
Gradient Electus Matari
148
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Posted - 2011.10.27 15:50:00 -
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Ran'shad wrote:My research, and that of several highly respected galactic sociologists, suggests that introducing them into the larger Minmatar society is actually harmful to these individuals. How many of the 'graduates' - for lack of a better term - of the matriculation programs suffer serious psychological trauma as a result of the overwhelming burden placed on them to sink or swim in the cut-throat Minmatar society? So you're saying the Amarr have studied how incompetent they are at educating their slaves? |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
347
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Posted - 2011.10.27 15:55:00 -
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Arkady Sadik wrote:Ran'shad wrote:My research, and that of several highly respected galactic sociologists, suggests that introducing them into the larger Minmatar society is actually harmful to these individuals. How many of the 'graduates' - for lack of a better term - of the matriculation programs suffer serious psychological trauma as a result of the overwhelming burden placed on them to sink or swim in the cut-throat Minmatar society? So you're saying the Amarr have studied how incompetent they are at educating their slaves?
Apparently the Republic's education system doesn't teach anything related to reading comprehension because I don't think that's what he's saying at all.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
47
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Posted - 2011.10.27 15:59:00 -
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Ran'shad wrote:Mekhana wrote:That's a very amusing spin on the situation. That's actually called releasing people that are unlawfully and unfairly held for forced cheap labor to the local authorities so they can be looked after and reintroduced to a normal society. My research, and that of several highly respected galactic sociologists, suggests that introducing them into the larger Minmatar society is actually harmful to these individuals. How many of the 'graduates' - for lack of a better term - of the matriculation programs suffer serious psychological trauma as a result of the overwhelming burden placed on them to sink or swim in the cut-throat Minmatar society? The best thing for them is to be returned to the life and society they were raised in, be it at a planetary settlement and factory or aboard station at an assembly facility. To tear them away from the lives they know, confine them and force them to fend for themselves is tantamount to torture. We offer a safe and secure environment where service earns them salvation.
Oh, that's rich. That's really a good one, there.
You've already taken them from the 'lives they know'. We offer freedom, instead of forced labor. Choice, instead of punishment. Most of all, we reconnect them with the families you stole them from.
What bothers you more, captain: that we left Amarr for a better life, or that we did it on your watch? |

TheCrazyCabbage
0
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Posted - 2011.10.27 16:01:00 -
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These 'people' are slaves. There is no use in denying what they are. They were captured - some born - into this way of life. There are, and as long as there are those who require them, always will be slaves. They are a commodity, and as such, tradable and expendable. How many of those jettisoned have very little use left in them? Would you expect us to retrieve damaged and used mining crystals for recycling? |

Ran'shad
Imperial Manufacturing and Engineering Regiment
1
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Posted - 2011.10.27 16:06:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote:You've already taken them from the 'lives they know'. We offer freedom, instead of forced labor. Choice, instead of punishment. Most of all, we reconnect them with the families you stole them from.
What bothers you more, captain: that we left Amarr for a better life, or that we did it on your watch?
Keeping in mind that they have been born into our service, raised in our facilities and live with their families - for the most part- as the work for the glory of God and the Empire. How is it that returning them to all they have ever known is harmful? You say that we are stealing their lives form them, I would suggest that is exactly what you are doing in uprooting and forcing them to fend for themselves....becoming just another mouth for your so-called Republic to feed and abuse.
We offer them safety and security, food, water, shelter and a chance to better themselves through service. You offer them instability, chaos and a quick death if they fail to readjust themselves to your harsh reality.
With us they are productive, creative and capable. Under the banner of the republic they have a chance to apply more tape to your ships? |

Ran'shad
Imperial Manufacturing and Engineering Regiment
1
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Posted - 2011.10.27 16:09:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote: Apparently the Republic's education system doesn't teach anything related to reading comprehension because I don't think that's what he's saying at all.
It is refreshing to hear from another voice of reason. It would seem that your reading comprehension is significantly better than what passes as being acceptable amongst the ilk of the republic. |

Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
47
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Posted - 2011.10.27 16:24:00 -
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Ran'shad wrote:Astrid Stjerna wrote:You've already taken them from the 'lives they know'. We offer freedom, instead of forced labor. Choice, instead of punishment. Most of all, we reconnect them with the families you stole them from.
What bothers you more, captain: that we left Amarr for a better life, or that we did it on your watch? Keeping in mind that they have been born into our service, raised in our facilities and live with their families - for the most part- as the work for the glory of God and the Empire. How is it that returning them to all they have ever known is harmful? You say that we are stealing their lives form them, I would suggest that is exactly what you are doing in uprooting and forcing them to fend for themselves....becoming just another mouth for your so-called Republic to feed and abuse. We offer them safety and security, food, water, shelter and a chance to better themselves through service. You offer them instability, chaos and a quick death if they fail to readjust themselves to your harsh reality. With us they are productive, creative and capable. Under the banner of the republic they have a chance to apply more tape to your ships?
Safety and security. Right. I suppose that's why my 'owner' decided to burn my face when I wouldn't let him take his liberties with me. Or why I had a badly-insulated shack to sleep in, and no bed to sleep on. Or why the factory to which I was confined during the day was unbearably hot, and the less 'productive' workers disappeared without warning.
Under the banner of the Republic, they will regain the culture that you seem determined to destroy. We will show them a world where they are not going to be beaten for spilling a cup of water, or dropping a plate of food. They will know what is is to be Matari.
They will participate as equals in their tribe and their clan, and they will know their heritage.
If the Empire provides such a 'paradise' as you claim, then why did the pilot of that ship leave them to die? |

Ran'shad
Imperial Manufacturing and Engineering Regiment
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Posted - 2011.10.27 16:46:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote:If the Empire provides such a 'paradise' as you claim, then why did the pilot of that ship leave them to die?
That is an excellent question. No self-respecting transport pilot would dare jettison their cargo, forfeiting their collateral deposit on the contract. I suspect there is more here than we have been led to beleive.
I would ask my fellow Holders to re-emphasize proper transport protocols with any pilots they are not familiar with....and to increase the collateral that must be deposited as part of the transaction.
Until such a time as they can all be vouched for, I for one will only be transporting my 'personnel' using vetted Amarrian corporations and pilots. I would encourage my peers to do likewise.
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
146
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Posted - 2011.10.27 17:14:00 -
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In my career i didn't found any "people" in a jetcan no where. |

Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.10.27 17:22:00 -
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Ran'shad wrote:My research, and that of several highly respected galactic sociologists, suggests that...
Would you care to cite sources? Otherwise your "research" and these nebulous, nameless group of "respected galactic sociologists" who supposedly support your claim aren't worth a single centISK. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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TheCrazyCabbage
0
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Posted - 2011.10.27 17:28:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote:[quote=Ran'shad][quote=Astrid Stjerna].......... then why did the pilot of that ship leave them to die?
Because that particular commodity was no longer of any use?
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Ran'shad
Imperial Manufacturing and Engineering Regiment
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Posted - 2011.10.27 17:33:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Ran'shad wrote:My research, and that of several highly respected galactic sociologists, suggests that... Would you care to cite sources? Otherwise your "research" and these nebulous, nameless group of "respected galactic sociologists" who supposedly support your claim aren't worth a single centISK.
While you are free to contact them yourself, and review their research, the team was led by a professor emiretus at the Royal Amarr Institue with a sizeable amount of information coming from The House of Records of the Caldari State. Regardless of what they may produce, I have no doubt that some will assault the reputation of these fine institutions in order to prop up their political goals. |

Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
13
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Posted - 2011.10.27 17:43:00 -
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Ah yes, yet another bigoted imperial lackey spouting off about the supposed wretched living conditions inside the Republic. 
Let me ask you pilot, how long have you lived in Minmatar space? Which tribe and clan are you a member of? Which schools did you attend? How about your family and friends, do they live here? Oh, that's right, you're Khanid and have no bloody idea what life is like here, do you? In fact all you know of us and our way of life is what you've been indoctrinated in via your government, religious hierarchy and media. I'll let you in on a secret; you've been lied to. Logic would dictate that if conditions were so horrible here that people would attempt to flee, by any means at their disposal, to the other empires. The fact that this isn't happening would tend to undercut your thesis.
I invite you to do some research, make some personal observations and come to your own conclusions, pilot. Don't automatically accept as fact everything you've been told.
And as for your jab about our ships being held together with tape you should recall that it was an armada of these same ships that brought the mighty CONCORD to its knees and fought its way to the Amarrian core worlds virtually unscratched. Just one more of your deeply held beliefs that you might want to re-examine... What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |

Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
125
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Posted - 2011.10.27 17:47:00 -
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Ran'shad wrote:While you are free to contact them yourself, and review their research, the team was led by a professor emiretus at the Royal Amarr Institue with a sizeable amount of information coming from The House of Records of the Caldari State. Regardless of what they may produce, I have no doubt that some will assault the reputation of these fine institutions in order to prop up their political goals.
You still haven't named them. You still haven't provided any of their material. You still haven't cited their work.
And assuming that this study you continually fail to cite even exists, do you really expect me to believe that a study conducted by the Royal Amarr Institute - an institution run by the very society that benefits from and will use any excuse to continue slavery - was not ideologically motivated? Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Arkady Sadik
Gradient Electus Matari
151
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Posted - 2011.10.27 18:54:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Arkady Sadik wrote:Ran'shad wrote:My research, and that of several highly respected galactic sociologists, suggests that introducing them into the larger Minmatar society is actually harmful to these individuals. How many of the 'graduates' - for lack of a better term - of the matriculation programs suffer serious psychological trauma as a result of the overwhelming burden placed on them to sink or swim in the cut-throat Minmatar society? So you're saying the Amarr have studied how incompetent they are at educating their slaves? Apparently the Republic's education system doesn't teach anything related to reading comprehension because I don't think that's what he's saying at all. But good Admiral, I was born and raised on Mekhios - are you calling Amarrian education is incompetent? |

Ran'shad
Imperial Manufacturing and Engineering Regiment
1
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Posted - 2011.10.28 12:31:00 -
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I would like to take this oppurtunity to thank those pilots who have over the past 12-24 hours rescued 324 slaves, 5 slavers and their hounds. For security reasons, they have asked to remain anonymous. With the subversive organization Disciples of Ston openly operating in the Caldari-Amarr border area, I can understand their reluctance to be publically identified.
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Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
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Posted - 2011.10.28 15:19:00 -
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Ran'shad wrote:I would like to take this oppurtunity to thank those pilots who have over the past 12-24 hours rescued 324 slaves, 5 slavers and their hounds. For security reasons, they have asked to remain anonymous. With the subversive organization Disciples of Ston openly operating in the Caldari-Amarr border area, I can understand their reluctance to be publically identified.
Always good to hear of such humanitarian endavours... but what kind of a threat would force these philantropists stay in anonymity?
Arkady Sadik wrote:But good Admiral, I was born and raised on Mekhios - are you calling Amarrian education is incompetent?
Oooh, nice one. Kudos, mr. Sadik. .domination sentinel .stillwater |

Ran'shad
Imperial Manufacturing and Engineering Regiment
1
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Posted - 2011.10.28 15:31:00 -
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Leopold Caine wrote:Always good to hear of such humanitarian endavours... but what kind of a threat would force these philantropists stay in anonymity?
With the recent admission by Ston that many of the 'liberated' slaves are being placed into the ranks of the Minmatar militia, combined with their practice of posting the names of slavers on their publilc 'wall of shame' has made these philanthropic holders nervous about becoming targets of these militants.
While Stron and his followers express peacefull intentions, I find it troublesome that so many of their re-educated are 'choosing' to enlist in the militia. My question is what exactly are they teaching these individuals? How many Minmatar children are they training to become blood-thirsty murderers before releasing them into the universe to pursue careers as mercenaries and pirates?
The cowardice and two-faced nature of Stron to espuse peace while seemingly training former slaves into militants is apalling. Perhaps they should place themselves on their wall of shame... |

Mekhana
Spiritus Draconis
250
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Posted - 2011.10.28 15:35:00 -
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If countless generations of my family and people were enslaved and humiliated I'd be pretty pissed off too. |

Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
50
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Posted - 2011.10.28 19:58:00 -
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Ran'shad wrote:Leopold Caine wrote:Always good to hear of such humanitarian endavours... but what kind of a threat would force these philantropists stay in anonymity? With the recent admission by Ston that many of the 'liberated' slaves are being placed into the ranks of the Minmatar militia, combined with their practice of posting the names of slavers on their publilc 'wall of shame' has made these philanthropic holders nervous about becoming targets of these militants. While Stron and his followers express peacefull intentions, I find it troublesome that so many of their re-educated are 'choosing' to enlist in the militia. My question is what exactly are they teaching these individuals? How many Minmatar children are they training to become blood-thirsty murderers before releasing them into the universe to pursue careers as mercenaries and pirates? The cowardice and two-faced nature of Stron to espuse peace while seemingly training former slaves into militants is apalling. Perhaps they should place themselves on their wall of shame...
We are teaching our people that they are Matari -- not a toy, or a lamp, or some Amarrian holder's pet. We're showing them what you don't want them to see: a life without you.
We are not your property.
It's time you accepted that. |

Arkady Sadik
Gradient Electus Matari
151
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Posted - 2011.10.28 20:16:00 -
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Ran'shad wrote:While Stron and his followers express peacefull intentions, I find it troublesome that so many of their re-educated are 'choosing' to enlist in the militia. I have a vague idea as to why that might be so.
It's unrelated to the Disciples, though.
(Cue the good Admiral saying "it's in their nature!") |

Tiberious Thessalonia
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.28 20:47:00 -
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Ran'shad wrote:Leopold Caine wrote:Always good to hear of such humanitarian endavours... but what kind of a threat would force these philantropists stay in anonymity? With the recent admission by Ston that many of the 'liberated' slaves are being placed into the ranks of the Minmatar militia, combined with their practice of posting the names of slavers on their publilc 'wall of shame' has made these philanthropic holders nervous about becoming targets of these militants. While Stron and his followers express peacefull intentions, I find it troublesome that so many of their re-educated are 'choosing' to enlist in the militia. My question is what exactly are they teaching these individuals? How many Minmatar children are they training to become blood-thirsty murderers before releasing them into the universe to pursue careers as mercenaries and pirates? The cowardice and two-faced nature of Stron to espuse peace while seemingly training former slaves into militants is apalling. Perhaps they should place themselves on their wall of shame...
Just to point out, his name is Ston. Not Stron. |

Jason Galente
mishima ryu
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Posted - 2011.10.29 13:49:00 -
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Ran'shad wrote:Leopold Caine wrote:Always good to hear of such humanitarian endavours... but what kind of a threat would force these philantropists stay in anonymity? With the recent admission by Ston that many of the 'liberated' slaves are being placed into the ranks of the Minmatar militia, combined with their practice of posting the names of slavers on their publilc 'wall of shame' has made these philanthropic holders nervous about becoming targets of these militants. While Stron and his followers express peacefull intentions, I find it troublesome that so many of their re-educated are 'choosing' to enlist in the militia. My question is what exactly are they teaching these individuals? How many Minmatar children are they training to become blood-thirsty murderers before releasing them into the universe to pursue careers as mercenaries and pirates? The cowardice and two-faced nature of Stron to espuse peace while seemingly training former slaves into militants is apalling. Perhaps they should place themselves on their wall of shame...
'Stron' isn't training these people into militants, you dolt. He's giving them the option of what they want to do, and it just so happens that a large portion of them didn't enjoy having to do back-breaking work and live in squalid conditions only to be left to die by their so-called 'enlighteners', and don't want their brothers and sisters to continue to have to live through the injustice and violation of basic human rights. I'm not exactly sure why you find this surprising, perhaps your brain has been flooded with pod goo and Amarrian lies. |

Nola Doyle
NeuroGEN
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Posted - 2011.10.29 17:01:00 -
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Ran'shad, as you can see, sir, this will be an uphill climb for your endeavor. Most of us are not trusting of an individual on his word alone, and the Minmatar will likely never until they know it is out of the possession of the Empire and its agents. Given the nature of slavery and its image in New Eden, you are relying on the generosity of freelance mercenaries and those who follow your own belief system. Is there any guarantee that you can provide that these people will not be resold into the market and this isn't simply a clever marketing scheme to generate a free revenue stream at the expense of gullible samaritans?
Furthermore, given the veracity of the topic of slavery, have you considered the risk you are placing on behalf of yourself, your crew, and your loved ones, and does your humanitarian spirit feel this an appropriate risk to ensure the safety and well being of your fellow men?
Thank you, Nola J Doyle |
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