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Velthem Cthulhu
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Posted - 2003.08.18 03:31:00 -
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Ok, so my corp and I are escorting our indy through 0.0 space, when we hit a blockade. There is a -0.9 guy that jumps the indy..
I finally warp in to kill the guys pod.. Now I take a security hit of -2.5? I go from 0.3+ (Which I worked my ass off for) to -2.2.
So I must say this is pretty damn stupid, with this like this I can't kill anyone that attacks anyone in my corp in 0.0 space? I thought 0.0 space was a free for all.. Why should I take a security hit defending my corp members from blockades..
This has gone way to carebearish.. I mean fine I totally understand the empire space stuff, but what the hell I was in 0.0.
Anyone else had this happen? Seems a little retarded and maybe an exploit for the people that block star gates.. Now noone can kill them..
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.08.18 04:20:00 -
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0.0 doesnt mean anything, you still take sec hit if its Empire Space. The Servant Sisters of EVE are considered an empire for some reason, so are a few more factions, so you'll take sec hit in their systems.
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Velthem Cthulhu
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Posted - 2003.08.18 04:37:00 -
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Fine, but when someone is attacking our indy, you mean to tell me we can't fight back to defend ourselves, and everyone still takes a security hit because he only attacked the indy?
How is that fair? Hardly seems like we should take a security hit when defending our own corp, or are we all supposed idle around and just let him kill the indy because we don't want the security hit?
Seems kind of retarded, so now it makes the people protecting people look like threats when we aren't.. |
Master Scy
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Posted - 2003.08.18 04:44:00 -
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Edited by: Master Scy on 18/08/2003 04:46:24
Podding isn't absolutely necessary...
It doesn't do much anyway, as a well outfitted cruiser would cost 10 times as much as a clone, and a battleship 30+ times more :P
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2003.08.18 04:44:00 -
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Edited by: Viceroy on 18/08/2003 04:48:30
Edited by: Viceroy on 18/08/2003 04:45:34
I'm usually the guy that fires on the indy so i dunno if you take sec hit for protecting your corp/gang.
Yeah that too, podding isnt allowed even if someone attacks you first, not in empire space that is.
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Ana Khouri
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Posted - 2003.08.18 05:06:00 -
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Podding actually HELPS that person. As said before, the clone costs are a joke for anyone who is in a cruiser or better, so the money loss isn't really an issue.
When you pod him he is instatnly transported back to his close base, where he got probably some other ships - he can jump right in one and head back to your location to say "hello" again.
While, if you don't pod him he has to travel back to his base first.
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Sinist
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Posted - 2003.08.18 05:26:00 -
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Edited by: Sinist on 18/08/2003 05:27:00
Ok why would you take a security hit in 0.0 space? Why even make security zones if your still gonna get nailed with faction standing in 0.0 space. 0.0 space should be no mans land. Nooone owns it. Yeah there are places in eve where you wont get a sec hit but if your a pirate and you have say a -9.9 rating. You can attack anybody you want and dont get any consequence. If a personw ho tries to keep in good standing with their empire is attacked by malicious pirates they cannot defend themselves wihout becoming a pirate themself. I say if your going to do soemthing you do it right. So as it stands pirates can blockade gates and wander around in low sec space and have free reign because they dont have to worry about faction standings. The only benefit to being a good person in eve is to be able to mine peacefully in empire space mining crappy ore and making little profit. You travel out into low sec space one time and you get attacked. You fight back you then cant travel home to your empire because they no longer like you. get rid of the empires then and just make it a pirate pvp game. Im sure there are some points to be made that being a good person does pay off but as i see pirates have it alot better off. Oh yeah and pirates can go into low sec empire space and attack people with good standings with that empire and cant fight back for fear of abandonment from their empire. Lets make this a pirate simulation.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2003.08.18 08:29:00 -
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You seem to be getting confused over two separate issues. There's no reason at all why you can't join in against someone beating up on your indy in 0.0 space ... but a guy in a POD, by definition, isn't beating up on anything because he already lost. Killing a pod is a no-no, and that's why you took your sec hit.
I could be completely wrong of course, I've never even been to 0.0 space yet :D
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Velthem Cthulhu
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Posted - 2003.08.18 17:54:00 -
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Ok why would you take a security hit in 0.0 space? Why even make security zones if your still gonna get nailed with faction standing in 0.0 space. 0.0 space should be no mans land. Nooone owns it. Yeah there are places in eve where you wont get a sec hit but if your a pirate and you have say a -9.9 rating. You can attack anybody you want and dont get any consequence. If a person who tries to keep in good standing with their empire is attacked by malicious pirates they cannot defend themselves wihout becoming a pirate themself. I say if your going to do soemthing you do it right. So as it stands pirates can blockade gates and wander around in low sec space and have free reign because they dont have to worry about faction standings. The only benefit to being a good person in eve is to be able to mine peacefully in empire space mining crappy ore and making little profit. You travel out into low sec space one time and you get attacked. You fight back you then cant travel home to your empire because they no longer like you. get rid of the empires then and just make it a pirate pvp game. Im sure there are some points to be made that being a good person does pay off but as i see pirates have it alot better off. Quote:
You see that is exactly my point.. The whole reason I pod'd him was I thought I would be helpful and send him home via a quicker route.. I certainly didn't expect to take a security hit of -2.5 in 0.0 space.. I mean whats the point of 0.0 space if you can still take a security hit? Besides I was a positive, and they were a negitive security rating...
Personally the whole thing is crazy.. If I was in a 0.1 I could understand, and certainly would not have pod'd him if I was in anything above a 0.0, but we should have the ability to kill and pod anyone in 0.0 space that attacks us... Corps should be allowed to defend themselves against attackers, and if we so choose we should be allowed to pod them, maybe we enjoy collecting the copses of wanna-be pirates.. Whatever the case... It isn't our fault if they forget to update their clones, that's their problem, and the penalty for being a pirate and not updating their clone, which to be honest would please me..
Either way, I certainly don't think it is fair to take a security hit when killing/poding anyone with a neg security rating that has opened fire on someone.
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Fenklar
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Posted - 2003.08.18 17:57:00 -
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A similar thing happened to me last night. I was 0.1 for sec rate and a guy shoots missles at my cruiser. I wait so that I take damage and I open fire and destry his ship. I did not pod him but I still took a -2.9 sec hit and I was in 0.3 space...
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Wolf Leader
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Posted - 2003.08.18 18:07:00 -
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Glad i dont care about my sec rating anymore :)
But im a nice guy..... |
Gravedancer
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Posted - 2003.08.18 18:08:00 -
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You seem to be associating 0.0 security as not being in "Empire Space" this is not true. There are 0.0 systems in empire space (or at least there used to be.. havent been that far in in a while). If you pod anyone, agressor or not, in empire space, you take a security hit. If you are out of empire space i dont believe this is true. Its usually pretty easy to tell non empire space, as most of the systems are just combinations of letters and numbers instead of some name that makes sense.
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Velthem Cthulhu
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Posted - 2003.08.18 18:53:00 -
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You seem to be associating 0.0 security as not being in "Empire Space" this is not true. There are 0.0 systems in empire space (or at least there used to be.. havent been that far in in a while).
Ok fine.. but I say if you are going to say in the manuals that 0.0 is lawless I take the risk everytime I fly in 0.0 that I may get killed, I don't expect anyone to take a security hit for killing me.. it's a risk I take, and they take if I kill them.. If you are going to have Empire reporting 0.0's why make them 0.0? Simply make them 0.1 so when I am flying through a system I can make an informed choice. Why hide it as a 0.0 and say "Oh btw that 0.0 isn't really a 0.0.. it's empire."
It should either be 0.0, or not. IMHO.
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