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Deka Ekato
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Posted - 2005.12.23 06:13:00 -
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Hopefully this is the right place to mention this.
I have only been playing for less than 2 weeks but I decided to do the "Flight" tutorial again. When told to go to the training centre low and behold not only were the the "guard" pirates which were legitamate training targets but there were other RL players hanging around the complex. Once the guard pirates were destroyed the tutorial asks us to inspect the floating cargo containers of the guard pirates.
But the RL players had flooded the debri area with their own containers, (and they had already taken the guard pirate container for themselves) , just waiting to exploit the "Kill Rights" abbility.
Any newbie not knowing about the Kill Rights issue will most certainly be suckked into getting themselves blown apart, (this is definately a case where a newbie will ignore the warning mmessage cause he would think it is part of the trainning).
And to all newbies, "PLEASE DO READ" the pop up warnings.
DO NOT TAKE CONTAINERS THAT BELONG TO OTHERS.
The "Kill Rights" ability is now being exploited everywhere!
Please CCP do something about this, cause this is something that could drive potential new players away.
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Deka Ekato
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Posted - 2005.12.23 07:09:00 -
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I have just read the "Can Flagging" topic in the "find answers" section of Eve Support.
To further explain what I experiened -
It was the Griefer who evently killed the guard pirate, which entitled the Griefer to take the guard pirates container.
This brings up the senario of the new player not being able to obtain the stargate key which is needed later on in the tutorial.
Sure a Griefer would repond to this message with "Well, just don't do the tutorial", but how else would a new player get used to the game?
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Binary Mind
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Posted - 2005.12.23 08:13:00 -
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Yeah, they are dorks who don't have the guts to attack real players.
"OMG, I killed a noob, I'm so uber", great job guys, I bet you're very proud of yourself.
And for the problem, just petition them
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Right Eyeighty
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Posted - 2005.12.23 08:17:00 -
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What ship do they fly in?
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Deka Ekato
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Posted - 2005.12.23 08:32:00 -
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 Originally by: Right Eyeighty
What ship do they fly in?
I can not recall. But it definately was something bigger that can kill newbie ship with only a few shots. One of the Griefers actually had their protective shield protecting the guard pirate, just so they can claim the right to the guard pirate containner, after they got to kill the guard.
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Zuki Ed
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Posted - 2005.12.23 08:50:00 -
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I think they're scum  We like more players in the game to interact with. Not blow them up on there first hours in game just to scare them away 
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Jackxter
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Posted - 2005.12.23 09:15:00 -
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how stupid... sure not very newbie-friendly. i'd quit too I guess :), since at that point you don't even know about insurance and all...
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Deka Ekato
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Posted - 2005.12.23 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: Binary Mind
Yeah, they are dorks who don't have the guts to attack real players.
"OMG, I killed a noob, I'm so uber", great job guys, I bet you're very proud of yourself.
And for the problem, just petition them
You are right. But as to how should I descibe this petition?
"Potential to Grief" Technically the Griefer has not done anything illegal, apart from sucking out the fun out of the game.
Ok, call me a carebear. The whole game involes having risks involved with everything you do. But this is all happening in 1.0 sec space, (starting locations). Yes I want to feel secure in 1.0 sec space. If I want greater risk then I would enter lower security space, but when I am ready to do so. (I can see the following responses to this),
- You should always be ready
- Maybe this game isn't for you, (me).
- Stop whining and accept it.
- You, (me), don't know how to play the game.
Christ, I only just started playing Eve, and its filled with alot of people haveing the attitude of, "Kill all, take all, "NO MATTER WHAT" .
Maybe Eve isn't for this whinner.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.12.23 09:53:00 -
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It may not technically be griefing, but once you e4scalate this to a senior gm chances are he will tell the idiots to move their asses on anyway.
It may not be against the rules, but sometimes gm's can take action without that actually being the case too. It's when whatever the persons in question are doing in interfering with intended gameplay.
Blowing up noobs in desingated training complexes is not intended gameplay, so the gm's probably will take some for of action against it.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.12.23 09:57:00 -
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just want to add:
Once you move outside of the designated training complexes however, the reason for gm's to interfere ends. Protecting weak players from the strong that exploit their lack of game knowledge is not the job of GM's. GM's ensure regular gameplay is possible, nothing more. New players do get some protection when it comes to gameplay areas and parts designed especially for them, but once past that they don't.
any player has to ask himself wether he can live with this given fact that being able to play it lame is a result of the freedom Eve offers to its players. It won't stop, ever. It's simply the price we pay for that freedom.
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Paul Atradiese
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Posted - 2005.12.23 10:00:00 -
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Is the system your talking about Duripant ?
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BootStrap
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Posted - 2005.12.23 10:01:00 -
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Deka, you are confusing two seperate game mechanics. If you take from someone else's can you are flagged as a criminal in the same way as if you had shot at them, this flag last for 15 minutes. You get "Kill Rights" on someone if they have killed you, you then have one month to kill them, I think you can kill them anywhere but not sure.
What you describe is people utiliaing the can/criminal flagging system to their 'advantage', but I agree that using it to prey on new players is lame.
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Deka Ekato
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Posted - 2005.12.23 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Paul Atradiese
Is the system your talking about Duripant ?
Yes.
By answering this it looks like that I have made my self to be a rewarding target.
"(Yeah, lets all kill/haress this whinning newbie)"
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Deka Ekato
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Posted - 2005.12.23 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: BootStrap
Deka, you are confusing two seperate game mechanics. If you take from someone else's can you are flagged as a criminal in the same way as if you had shot at them, this flag last for 15 minutes. You get "Kill Rights" on someone if they have killed you, you then have one month to kill them, I think you can kill them anywhere but not sure.
What you describe is people utiliaing the can/criminal flagging system to their 'advantage', but I agree that using it to prey on new players is lame.
Yes you are right. My mistake.
Yes, my rant is about potential Griefers to exploit the new "Flagging" system.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.12.23 10:57:00 -
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same thing, file a sploit petition and see what happens.
If the gm's close it telling you it's not an exploit, file a "other" petition and explain the point that these are training complexes, not complexes with any actual reward.
Killing newbs without any chance of actually gaining from it (try tell a gm you're hoping for one of them to drop a bpo when you're killing them inside a traiing complex wont work  ), could very well be construed as griefing.
So, petition, I;m quite sure it'll be stopped inside that training complexes then.
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Deka Ekato
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Posted - 2005.12.23 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
same thing, file a sploit petition and see what happens.
If the gm's close it telling you it's not an exploit, file a "other" petition and explain the point that these are training complexes, not complexes with any actual reward.
Killing newbs without any chance of actually gaining from it (try tell a gm you're hoping for one of them to drop a bpo when you're killing them inside a traiing complex wont work ), could very well be construed as griefing.
So, petition, I;m quite sure it'll be stopped inside that training complexes then.
Yes, I will do that. My applologies if I have upset anyone. It's just that I haven't quite gotten over what I experienced, or what others could experience. I should learn to control my anger and frustration.
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Dak Hakin
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Posted - 2005.12.23 11:13:00 -
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Not cool... I didnt think higher level ships could get into training complexes... Must be frigs of some sort.
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Kelron Queldine
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Posted - 2005.12.23 11:34:00 -
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Probably are frigs, it wouldn't take much to kill a newbie ship.
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Paul Atradiese
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Posted - 2005.12.23 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Deka Ekato
Originally by: Paul Atradiese
Is the system your talking about Duripant ?
Yes.
By answering this it looks like that I have made my self to be a rewarding target.
"(Yeah, lets all kill/haress this whinning newbie)"
Deka
No you havnt made yourself or any other new player a target I was going to ask a friend in the area to see if he can help drive these idiots out of the system that's all
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Deka Ekato
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Posted - 2005.12.23 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Paul Atradiese
Originally by: Deka Ekato
Originally by: Paul Atradiese
Is the system your talking about Duripant ?
Yes.
By answering this it looks like that I have made my self to be a rewarding target.
"(Yeah, lets all kill/haress this whinning newbie)"
Deka
No you havnt made yourself or any other new player a target I was going to ask a friend in the area to see if he can help drive these idiots out of the system that's all
Thank you Paul. I think all newbiews will need that extra bit of help.
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HElrider2
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Posted - 2005.12.23 12:47:00 -
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Well we should keep this post open i have only played for 45 days but i will not mined killing a scumbucket or 2 if they show-up in a newbie area or i can atleast come over and kill one for you and give you the key I think they will prob not attack a ship thats as good as thiers is .
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Olenir Theadorvin
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Posted - 2005.12.23 14:30:00 -
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Might be Tech2 frigs tho, so watch yourself - they can still get in the little complexes
Of course, it's even more shameful for the griefer if they have to use T2 to hunt noob ships
I think the solution to this one should be to remove the can flagging rules from 1.0 systems. If the miners want to have their revenge rights on ore thieves, they can mine 0.9 downwards. Level 1 systems are supposed to be secure noob training systems, there aren't very many reasons for older players to stay in them, still fewer for dropping cans in them.
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Lillith Blackheart
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Posted - 2005.12.23 14:50:00 -
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I think you're underestimating the community here.
It's very rare that people here call new players whiners because someone is abusing them in the training space.
That's just totally uncool, and we all want more players around here. We want space to be more full so there's greater interaction betwixt pod-pilots.
The only time you hear people downtalking complaints from people is when it's obviously something the person could avoid, i.e. floating into .3 space and crying because your little frigate with a full load of expensive equipment got blown to mars because you went afk while on autopilot.
You are entirely within your right to gripe about that situation. Hopefully Paul's buddy will be able to swing in there and help out.
This can flag thing is starting to irk me, because there's nothing that the higher skilled players in the game can do about it to protect new players. There should really be some kind of loophole that allows pirate hunters to do something about it without getting a nice Concordokken for being helpful.
Me.
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Kylania
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Posted - 2005.12.23 15:30:00 -
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Petition this as harassment. It's about as clear a case of exploitive abuse as I've seen. It also reflects badly against EVE and will drive new players away, which is not something CCP wants.
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