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Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg The Lazarus Initiative 2	Posted - 2011.10.27 21:58:00 - [1] - Quote (This is not a call to ban level 4 missions in highsec. i love and adore them and dont want them moved) i fly a gank fit faction battleship with all the toys (no officer stuff though gankers). Im maxed out in that i cannot do anymore dps. my elite core skills are there and my lights and meds are also maxed out. I played for 3 days 8 hours a day as i had a lot of down time and an extended weekend and made 1.2 billion isk missioning (includes bounties, rewards and LP conversions). questions 1. How can anything else compete with this. 2. Do you just do the other isk generating incomes while you are waiting to train up until you can blitz through missions I have lots of dozens of BPOS that i dont use including cap ships but the rewards are not that much unless you have a massive investment and then its hassle i can moon mine in a 0.3 but its a hassle and makes nothing compared to missions. finding and holding good planet to much hassle PI is fun for those who enjoy carpal tunnel syndrome but its still hassle and its a small amount of isk vs mission TECH MOONS i will give you this one, but lets be honest you dont own one. Nullsec sanctums. are excellent but your ratting boat is not as powerful as my mission boat and you do not kill nearly as fast (Apart from those huge alliance blocks that have deep protected space but again thats the minority. Mining = not much isk for you 3. Do you think that there should be an isk sink in this game to remove the masses of currency that exist. At the moment there are taxes and skill books and not much else.
Kengutsi Akira Ministry of War Amarr Empire 133	Posted - 2011.10.27 22:01:00 - [2] - Quote CCP are trying to fix this issue funny thing tho; the Goon fun with the Ice an all that, an all the other high sec gankers right now, but noone's making any effort to stop the dreaded missioners https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722 My well known stance on WiS
Kelsi Corynn Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2011.10.27 22:03:00 - [3] - Quote Incursions.
Jita Alt666 425	Posted - 2011.10.27 22:05:00 - [4] - Quote Speculate on the markets with your massive piles of isk. The first couple of times you do it will be all you need to sink your isk. Oh just to be smug: When you have more than duel Tengu sanctums with fighter support from a Carrier in a pos, then you can say your more boat is more powerful than mine.
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg The Lazarus Initiative 2	Posted - 2011.10.27 22:06:00 - [5] - Quote Kengutsi Akira wrote: CCP are trying to fix this issue funny thing tho; the Goon fun with the Ice an all that, an all the other high sec gankers right now, but noone's making any effort to stop the dreaded missioners That really would be something if highend mission boats where being ganked all over highsec.
Kengutsi Akira Ministry of War Amarr Empire 133	Posted - 2011.10.27 22:08:00 - [6] - Quote Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote: Kengutsi Akira wrote: CCP are trying to fix this issue funny thing tho; the Goon fun with the Ice an all that, an all the other high sec gankers right now, but noone's making any effort to stop the dreaded missioners That really would be something if highend mission boats where being ganked all over highsec. Thats what Im thinking. Helicity Boson gets with Goons, makes massive perma hulkageddon (lol) and at the same time ppl massively gank all the lvl 4 runners. The forums would explode from the sheer weight of the tears https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=255722#post255722 My well known stance on WiS
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg The Lazarus Initiative 2	Posted - 2011.10.27 22:12:00 - [7] - Quote That really would be something if highend mission boats where being ganked all over highsec.[/quote] Thats what Im thinking. Helicity Boson gets with Goons, makes massive perma hulkageddon (lol) and at the same time ppl massively gank all the lvl 4 runners. The forums would explode from the sheer weight of the tears [/quote] Even though i would be a target i would love this if nullsec declared war on highsec mission runners, although its would be player driven content working around broken game mechanics
Caulk H0lster Kazakh Ministry of Wealth Redistribution 30	Posted - 2011.10.27 22:13:00 - [8] - Quote I would say that while there are other ways to make isk of that magnitude, most of them require pretty massive investments. Sure, your mission ship probably costs quite a bit, but to set up lowsec reaction towers, for example, making ferrogel, assuming you bought all your materials off market, would probably make a billion profit or so per month with little effort, but the startup costs are high, and the monthly upkeep costs are high. If, however, you were to devote the same amount of time to industry as you do in missioning, you'd probably be able to make a lot more. Time-wise, reaction towers take maybe 15-20 minutes every few days to manage, then probably an hour or two extra every two weeks for fuel, for each setup. So, if you were running like 12-15 full setups, you could potentially make 12-15b per month. This would require a massive startup cost though, and a good deal of good planning on your behalf so towers didn't go offline and weren't wasting fuel with no reactions running. I'm just pulling these numbers out of my ass, mind you. I haven't done any reactions in quite some time. So in the end I'd say if you want to keep your isk making simple and straight-forward, then yes, level 4s are probably the best way to make isk. I do know of one person who is rather lucky with drops who makes significant isk running lowsec and 0.0 plexes solo, but it's pretty chance based, IMO. However, if you really wanted to invest isk and time, there are better ways to make isk.
non judgement Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance 123	Posted - 2011.10.27 22:17:00 - [9] - Quote So you're basically saying is that you don't want people who play for 3 x 8 hours and make isk? Or, are you saying that you don't want missioning to be the main thing that gives you isk? You think the other things you can do in game should make the same amount? It sort of sounds like you just don't like making isk? Or maybe you think that since you spent all the time getting your skills to elite that you shouldn't get a reward like making heaps of isk in missions? If something else made more isk than missioning or incursions you'd be commenting about that too? Asking why that thing makes so much isk?
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg The Lazarus Initiative 2	Posted - 2011.10.27 22:28:00 - [10] - Quote non judgement wrote: So you're basically saying is that you don't want people who play for 3 x 8 hours and make isk? Or, are you saying that you don't want missioning to be the main thing that gives you isk? You think the other things you can do in game should make the same amount? It sort of sounds like you just don't like making isk? Or maybe you think that since you spent all the time getting your skills to elite that you shouldn't get a reward like making heaps of isk in missions? If something else made more isk than missioning or incursions you'd be commenting about that too? Asking why that thing makes so much isk? What are you some kind of crazy mind reader? I have not said a thing about any of that. Thanks for the first post deviod of any content. Thanks to everyone else. PS your avatar has the post punchable face ive seen in this game

Jita Alt666 426	Posted - 2011.10.27 22:40:00 - [11] - Quote non judgement wrote: So you're basically saying is that you don't want people who play for 3 x 8 hours and make isk? Or, are you saying that you don't want missioning to be the main thing that gives you isk? You think the other things you can do in game should make the same amount? It sort of sounds like you just don't like making isk? Or maybe you think that since you spent all the time getting your skills to elite that you shouldn't get a reward like making heaps of isk in missions? If something else made more isk than missioning or incursions you'd be commenting about that too? Asking why that thing makes so much isk? Mind reading cap on: I think the OP is saying Quote: "Ok I have done the high sec mission running grind right to the end. I earn heaps. So much that looking around at everything seems like :effort: I don't know what the point is any more. I could sit here and build an ever growing pile bigger and bigger - but I don't see the point. What is next? Please fellow forum readers give me inspiration."
Rath Kelbore The Six-Pack Syndicate 5	Posted - 2011.10.27 22:42:00 - [12] - Quote Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote: (This is not a call to ban level 4 missions in highsec. i love and adore them and dont want them moved) i fly a gank fit faction battleship with all the toys (no officer stuff though gankers). Im maxed out in that i cannot do anymore dps. my elite core skills are there and my lights and meds are also maxed out. I played for 3 days 8 hours a day as i had a lot of down time and an extended weekend and made 1.2 billion isk missioning (includes bounties, rewards and LP conversions). questions 1. How can anything else compete with this. 2. Do you just do the other isk generating incomes while you are waiting to train up until you can blitz through missions I have lots of dozens of BPOS that i dont use including cap ships but the rewards are not that much unless you have a massive investment and then its hassle i can moon mine in a 0.3 but its a hassle and makes nothing compared to missions. finding and holding good planet to much hassle PI is fun for those who enjoy carpal tunnel syndrome but its still hassle and its a small amount of isk vs mission TECH MOONS i will give you this one, but lets be honest you dont own one. Nullsec sanctums. are excellent but your ratting boat is not as powerful as my mission boat and you do not kill nearly as fast (Apart from those huge alliance blocks that have deep protected space but again thats the minority. Mining = not much isk for you 3. Do you think that there should be an isk sink in this game to remove the masses of currency that exist. At the moment there are taxes and skill books and not much else. 1. Industry and trading our far more profitable than lvl 4's even at the 50 mil an hour you've been able to reach. At least as far actual time spent doing either activity. 2. You've got it backwards, you do lvl 4's until you have enough isk to get into the other isk generating activities. If I hated myself enough and had a large enough bankroll to do industry/trading for 8 hours a day(is there anyone reading this that does keep that busy with industry and/or trading?), much isk would be made.
Jita Alt666 426	Posted - 2011.10.27 22:47:00 - [13] - Quote I used to put buy orders up in Rens for Hurricanes and with an alt that had perfect refining, refine them to their basic minerals then sell the minerals for a profit.
Mekhana Spiritus Draconis 249	Posted - 2011.10.27 22:49:00 - [14] - Quote Missioning in high sec is boring and tedious. If people want to be masochists, let them.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 856	Posted - 2011.10.27 22:53:00 - [15] - Quote Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote: (This is not a call to ban level 4 missions in highsec. i love and adore them and dont want them moved) i fly a gank fit faction battleship with all the toys (no officer stuff though gankers). Im maxed out in that i cannot do anymore dps. my elite core skills are there and my lights and meds are also maxed out. I played for 3 days 8 hours a day as i had a lot of down time and an extended weekend and made 1.2 billion isk missioning (includes bounties, rewards and LP conversions). questions 1. How can anything else compete with this. 2. Do you just do the other isk generating incomes while you are waiting to train up until you can blitz through missions Do Incursions. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg The Lazarus Initiative 2	Posted - 2011.10.27 22:55:00 - [16] - Quote Mind reading cap on: I think the OP is saying Quote: "Ok I have done the high sec mission running grind right to the end. I earn heaps. So much that looking around at everything seems like :effort: I don't know what the point is any more. I could sit here and build an ever growing pile bigger and bigger - but I don't see the point. What is next? Please fellow forum readers give me inspiration." [/quote] Thanks mate i think that you have it in one there
Deviana Sevidon Jades Falcon Guards 59	Posted - 2011.10.27 22:58:00 - [17] - Quote Not another L4 whine. The horse was beaten to death, cloned, then beaten to death again and it is most certainly as dead as it could be. Incursions earn more ISK, Trading in highsec earns also more ISK.
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg The Lazarus Initiative 2	Posted - 2011.10.27 22:59:00 - [18] - Quote Deviana Sevidon wrote: Not another L4 whine. The horse was beaten to death, cloned, then beaten to death again and it is most certainly as dead as it could be. Incursions earn more ISK, Trading in highsec earns also more ISK. Not an L4 whine. Read the post before you polute this thread with you idiotic thoughts
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 63	Posted - 2011.10.27 23:08:00 - [19] - Quote Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote: (This is not a call to ban level 4 missions in highsec. i love and adore them and dont want them moved) i fly a gank fit faction battleship with all the toys (no officer stuff though gankers). Im maxed out in that i cannot do anymore dps. my elite core skills are there and my lights and meds are also maxed out. I played for 3 days 8 hours a day as i had a lot of down time and an extended weekend and made 1.2 billion isk missioning (includes bounties, rewards and LP conversions). questions 1. How can anything else compete with this. 2. Do you just do the other isk generating incomes while you are waiting to train up until you can blitz through missions I have lots of dozens of BPOS that i dont use including cap ships but the rewards are not that much unless you have a massive investment and then its hassle i can moon mine in a 0.3 but its a hassle and makes nothing compared to missions. finding and holding good planet to much hassle PI is fun for those who enjoy carpal tunnel syndrome but its still hassle and its a small amount of isk vs mission TECH MOONS i will give you this one, but lets be honest you dont own one. Nullsec sanctums. are excellent but your ratting boat is not as powerful as my mission boat and you do not kill nearly as fast (Apart from those huge alliance blocks that have deep protected space but again thats the minority. Mining = not much isk for you 3. Do you think that there should be an isk sink in this game to remove the masses of currency that exist. At the moment there are taxes and skill books and not much else. The problem is not how much you can do playing 24/7 because you're not supposed has a normal human being to do so. You're supposed to have some family, friends, job, studies whatsoever and "play" the game, not make a job of it like what you just did for 3 days. If you play normally has some normal person does -about 2 hours/D is already a lot by the end of the week/month- the income is far from your numbers. Now tell me how much one gimped Tengu or carrier in null sec ratting or cleaning anoms 23h/7 can do? I'll tell you over 1B a day actually without salvaging/loot (some bots can do that also) and a lot more before Sanctums nerf. Are you sure high sec missions/missioners income need nerfs? -you should take a look where the cash flows for everyone making Eve a full time job: null sec and wh's
Nimrod Nemesis Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2011.10.27 23:12:00 - [20] - Quote I haven't used missions to make isk in years. I wouldn't say it's obsolete or out of style, but in terms of "things one alt can do to bank-roll your account(s)," missions are very much inferior to a good incursion fleet or a dilligent trader/industrialist both in profit and time required to realize that profit. I don't find the modest capital investment of either to be terrible difficut to muster. As you're pointing out there, missions are more than generous enough to provide seed money for a more passive revenue generator. Wormholes are also flush with resources to exploit, but I find them excessively tedious to operate in full-time. Then again, if you're actually playing and enjoying the missions, more power to you. My point of view, and the reason I haven't run a mission in ages, is that missions are horrendously boring and i'll do anything to avoid them. Everything I do to "make isk," is essentially something I put up with to fund my pvp shenanigans. In most cases recently, my pvp hasn't been terribly expensive to keep up with, so I don't do much isk-making at all.

Headerman Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx 287	Posted - 2011.10.27 23:17:00 - [21] - Quote You can snype Page 2's The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why?
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg The Lazarus Initiative 2	Posted - 2011.10.27 23:55:00 - [22] - Quote Nimrod Nemesis wrote: I haven't used missions to make isk in years. I wouldn't say it's obsolete or out of style, but in terms of "things one alt can do to bank-roll your account(s)," missions are very much inferior to a good incursion fleet or a dilligent trader/industrialist both in profit and time required to realize that profit. I don't find the modest capital investment of either to be terrible difficut to muster. As you're pointing out there, missions are more than generous enough to provide seed money for a more passive revenue generator. Wormholes are also flush with resources to exploit, but I find them excessively tedious to operate in full-time. Then again, if you're actually playing and enjoying the missions, more power to you. My point of view, and the reason I haven't run a mission in ages, is that missions are horrendously boring and i'll do anything to avoid them. Everything I do to "make isk," is essentially something I put up with to fund my pvp shenanigans. In most cases recently, my pvp hasn't been terribly expensive to keep up with, so I don't do much isk-making at all. Basically i had a lot of spare time on my hands for once. 3 days of enjoyment (yes i like them, kinda) and then i have a plex and 800 million to spend of pvp and with plat insurance and lasts a long time.
Baphommet Sonoran Sun Legion Eternal Strife 3	Posted - 2011.10.28 00:24:00 - [23] - Quote I despise level 4 missioning. -It's easy. -It's very low risk. -It's boring and repetitive. -It's extremely lucrative. -It has a variety of benefits in addition to ISK gain, such as sec status gain, faction standing gain, corp standing gain, access to free implants, etc. -It makes mining in any space much less profitable (recycling is silly). -It requires only combat related skills, most of which are useful in many other fields of work. In fact, I hate highsec missioning so much that I'm almost genuinely upset about it. Mining is a big part of why highsec is overpopulated and low/nullsec is not worth the trouble, income-wise. Missions should be a side job, a way to earn income for pure combat pilots. NOT a huge source of resources. AMEN - RAWR - RANT - OTHER THINGS! Baphommet (quote me) Mustache
The Offerer Republic University Minmatar Republic 36	Posted - 2011.10.28 00:41:00 - [24] - Quote Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote: Nimrod Nemesis wrote: I haven't used missions to make isk in years. I wouldn't say it's obsolete or out of style, but in terms of "things one alt can do to bank-roll your account(s)," missions are very much inferior to a good incursion fleet or a dilligent trader/industrialist both in profit and time required to realize that profit. I don't find the modest capital investment of either to be terrible difficut to muster. As you're pointing out there, missions are more than generous enough to provide seed money for a more passive revenue generator. Wormholes are also flush with resources to exploit, but I find them excessively tedious to operate in full-time. Then again, if you're actually playing and enjoying the missions, more power to you. My point of view, and the reason I haven't run a mission in ages, is that missions are horrendously boring and i'll do anything to avoid them. Everything I do to "make isk," is essentially something I put up with to fund my pvp shenanigans. In most cases recently, my pvp hasn't been terribly expensive to keep up with, so I don't do much isk-making at all. Basically i had a lot of spare time on my hands for once. 3 days of enjoyment (yes i like them, kinda) and then i have a plex and 800 million to spend of pvp and with plat insurance and lasts a long time. That's exactly the point. I can not remember the last time I had enough free time and nothing else to do except playing this game. I think that I had a similar situation last summer when I was unemployed, but I can't say for sure. I don't like being unemployed, so I've looked for a job actively instead of playing the game. And then there's family, girlfriend, going out with friends, bike & camping, movies, books,... All those are a part of my life that are equally or more important than the game. 3 days x 8 hours means that I would be out of my life during that period of time and I don't like that. I mean, congrats to you for doing that, I sometimes wish that I could do the same, but then again something will happen out of the game that would part me from the computer. There's always something. Now to answer your questions: 1. Industry/ invention/ reverse engineering can compete with this, if you set it up properly. Depending on the initial investment, you could be making way more than level 4 missions. Incursions are the second solution. The good thing about industry is that it's not an ISK faucet, since you are basically buying materials and selling finished goods. 2. No. Missions are not the end goal and are not the most effective way of getting the ISK. Missions can help you get the investment ISK to start whatever you want to start (market manipulation, investments & trade, industry, research,...), not the other way around. 3. No, there should not be any ISK sinks or nerfs because it would destroy the casual gamer like me and the majority of players that actually have jobs. What can be done is the more effective fight against bots. Bots removed sanctums from 0.0 space and caused the first way of players to leave the game in disappointment. Sanctums haven't generated significantly more ISK than level 4 missions and the amount of players in 0.0 space is way lower than in highsec. Additionally, there could be only 2 Sanctums per solar system at a time - that's like having 2 mission runners is a system, you can see that sanctums were not the problem. The problem were alliances that were holding whole regions of space and used a lot of bots that were farming sanctums 24/7. And if you think hat only "evil 0.0 blob alliances" were using bots to farm sanctums, you are very very wrong. Hundreds of them were active just 5-6 jumps from Jita and judging by my watchlist, some of them still continue to function despite the reports and the evidence presented to CCP both in petitions and by using the report bot option in the game. I haven't been in that infected area for a while, but there are probably new ones active at this moment to replace the banned ones. Conclusion: Not many players can pimp their ship to generate 50 mil per hour and a lot less can even spend 8 hours a day playing the game. Level 4 missions or any other direct ISK generating activity should not be nerfed because if they are, this game will lose the whole community of casual gamers which would be replaced by bots that have already ruined this game significantly and forced the sanctum nerf which caused the first wave of unsubscriptions. If you can farm that much ISK, then congratulations. But you must understand that you are one of the lucky few that can.
non judgement Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance 123	Posted - 2011.10.28 00:48:00 - [25] - Quote Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote: non judgement wrote: So you're basically saying is that you don't want people who play for 3 x 8 hours and make isk? Or, are you saying that you don't want missioning to be the main thing that gives you isk? You think the other things you can do in game should make the same amount? It sort of sounds like you just don't like making isk? Or maybe you think that since you spent all the time getting your skills to elite that you shouldn't get a reward like making heaps of isk in missions? If something else made more isk than missioning or incursions you'd be commenting about that too? Asking why that thing makes so much isk? What are you some kind of crazy mind reader? I have not said a thing about any of that. Thanks for the first post deviod of any content. Thanks to everyone else. PS your avatar has the post punchable face ive seen in this game In your post you say Quote: 3. Do you think that there should be an isk sink in this game to remove the masses of currency that exist. So you're either saying you made too much during the time you were doing missions or you have nothing to waste your isk on. If you wanted something that made isk faster you would still have the problem of what do I spend isk on. What are you actually asking, if you aren't asking why do missions make too much isk? "everything is a sideshow to lvl 4 missions when making isk". why not just ask "what makes isk faster than missions and isn't boring or too much effort?" PS maybe try punching the monitor when you see my avatar? Does punching someone (something) help at all? or does it just display your inability to respond to things in a mature way?
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg The Lazarus Initiative 2	Posted - 2011.10.28 00:58:00 - [26] - Quote non judgement wrote: Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote: non judgement wrote: So you're basically saying is that you don't want people who play for 3 x 8 hours and make isk? Or, are you saying that you don't want missioning to be the main thing that gives you isk? You think the other things you can do in game should make the same amount? It sort of sounds like you just don't like making isk? Or maybe you think that since you spent all the time getting your skills to elite that you shouldn't get a reward like making heaps of isk in missions? If something else made more isk than missioning or incursions you'd be commenting about that too? Asking why that thing makes so much isk? What are you some kind of crazy mind reader? I have not said a thing about any of that. Thanks for the first post deviod of any content. Thanks to everyone else. PS your avatar has the post punchable face ive seen in this game In your post you say Quote: 3. Do you think that there should be an isk sink in this game to remove the masses of currency that exist. So you're either saying you made too much during the time you were doing missions or you have nothing to waste your isk on. If you wanted something that made isk faster you would still have the problem of what do I spend isk on. What are you actually asking, if you aren't asking why do missions make too much isk? "everything is a sideshow to lvl 4 missions when making isk". why not just ask "what makes isk faster than missions and isn't boring or too much effort?" PS maybe try punching the monitor when you see my avatar? Does punching someone (something) help at all? or does it just display your inability to respond to things in a mature way? Listen dude im sure that in real life you are a good guy but you have to stop trying to read peoples minds over the internet. again i did not say any of those things. A couple of other people picked it up pretty quickly and did not try to read my mind they just read my words
non judgement Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance 123	Posted - 2011.10.28 01:18:00 - [27] - Quote Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote: non judgement wrote: Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote: non judgement wrote: So you're basically saying is that you don't want people who play for 3 x 8 hours and make isk? Or, are you saying that you don't want missioning to be the main thing that gives you isk? You think the other things you can do in game should make the same amount? It sort of sounds like you just don't like making isk? Or maybe you think that since you spent all the time getting your skills to elite that you shouldn't get a reward like making heaps of isk in missions? If something else made more isk than missioning or incursions you'd be commenting about that too? Asking why that thing makes so much isk? What are you some kind of crazy mind reader? I have not said a thing about any of that. Thanks for the first post deviod of any content. Thanks to everyone else. PS your avatar has the post punchable face ive seen in this game In your post you say Quote: 3. Do you think that there should be an isk sink in this game to remove the masses of currency that exist. So you're either saying you made too much during the time you were doing missions or you have nothing to waste your isk on. If you wanted something that made isk faster you would still have the problem of what do I spend isk on. What are you actually asking, if you aren't asking why do missions make too much isk? "everything is a sideshow to lvl 4 missions when making isk". why not just ask "what makes isk faster than missions and isn't boring or too much effort?" PS maybe try punching the monitor when you see my avatar? Does punching someone (something) help at all? or does it just display your inability to respond to things in a mature way? Listen dude im sure that in real life you are a good guy but you have to stop trying to read peoples minds over the internet. again i did not say any of those things. A couple of other people picked it up pretty quickly and did not try to read my mind they just read my words if someone doesn't understand what you're trying to ask you don't have to say things like that. You could have just corrected them and say what the question was really about. if you're going to bring up what someone might be like in real life maybe try not to talk about punching faces before hand?
Tommas De'Wins Aide of the Union 0	Posted - 2011.10.28 02:46:00 - [28] - Quote Do incursions .... 9/10 mill every 8/9 mins in a decent fleet ........
Jaroslav Unwanted Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 26	Posted - 2011.10.28 02:51:00 - [29] - Quote In the end if what makes you tick in EVE is isk/hr conversion then thats what you gonna look for. Many of us do. Its unfortunate that such good potential is dumbed to isk/hr ratio.
Sir Substance Tactical Knightmare 103	Posted - 2011.10.28 02:51:00 - [30] - Quote Kengutsi Akira wrote: CCP are trying to fix this issue funny thing tho; the Goon fun with the Ice an all that, an all the other high sec gankers right now, but noone's making any effort to stop the dreaded missioners Suddenly ninjas has been at it for years. You're welcome.



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