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Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
103
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Posted - 2013.08.13 07:33:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:the alliances have way bigger advantages because they see you 5 jumps ahead
The alliance of people who share common cause and work together should always beat the high sec pubbies making bad posts about how they can't be a ~lone wulf~ elite PvPer in Eve Online.
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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
655
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Posted - 2013.08.13 08:06:00 -
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Goddess Ishtar wrote:Harry Forever wrote:the alliances have way bigger advantages because they see you 5 jumps ahead The alliance of people who share common cause and work together should always beat the high sec pubbies making bad posts about how they can't be a ~lone wulf~ elite PvPer in Eve Online.
big alliances scared by pubbies
noted Goons Doomsday Forever! |
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
357
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Posted - 2013.08.13 08:29:00 -
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very old topic. still +1.
It's too easy to control vast ranges of space in eve: local and force projection. oh, people whining about afk cloaks? Odyssey: Repacking in POS hangars for modules +1,-á but please for other stuff too, especially containers. Make containers openable in POS hangars. |
Remiel Pollard
Layman's terms TAXU
1598
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Posted - 2013.08.13 08:37:00 -
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Harry, I am now a little convinced of the possibility that you are somebody's alt playing badly on purpose just for the sake of trolling on the forums. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Lyrrashae
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
437
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Posted - 2013.08.13 08:45:00 -
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samualvimes wrote:
YES CCP NERF FRIENDS AND ORGANISATION!!!
You have lost. Thanks for playing, though.
Next!
Because Other People(TM) make me go "Ick." :/ |
Pierrot le fou
Amarrian Inquist Order
13
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Posted - 2013.08.13 08:50:00 -
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Daily dose of Harry Forever. |
TheBlueMonkey
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
480
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Posted - 2013.08.13 08:51:00 -
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I too joined an mmo so I could play on my own |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
236
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Posted - 2013.08.13 08:53:00 -
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Yup local removal is long overdue. A transponder system shaped much like the safety switch could be offered to players who wish to remain in local lists. |
Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2013.08.13 08:57:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Goddess Ishtar wrote:Harry Forever wrote:the alliances have way bigger advantages because they see you 5 jumps ahead The alliance of people who share common cause and work together should always beat the high sec pubbies making bad posts about how they can't be a ~lone wulf~ elite PvPer in Eve Online. big alliances scared by pubbies noted
We are only scared of posting as bad as yours.
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embrel
BamBam Inc.
27
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Posted - 2013.08.13 09:07:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Harry Forever wrote:we heared NO a couple of times, however no argumets for it... interesting Stop being bad?
are you defending your future renting empire income here? I imagine renters do not love the proposal. or slumlords. |
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Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates.
59
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Posted - 2013.08.13 09:10:00 -
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Aliventi wrote:Remove local. It is time for effortless perfect intel to die. If you want that level of intel you must work for it. If you catch me jumping through a gate by actually seeing me from your cloaked ship off gate that is fine. Knowing I am there when your alt is perfectly safe inside a station and looking at local is not.
The prey have used the effortless perfect intel provided by local to make nullsec safer than highsec. That violates the "Risk vs. Reward" aspect of nullsec. Literally the only reason to die in nullsec ratting/mining/carebearing is you blatantly ignored your effortless perfect intel source. It is time to remove this advantage from the prey and allow the hunter to instill the fear that has been absent from nullsec back in the prey. If the prey still wishes to pillage the riches of nullsec then they must face the risk involved. Remove local and the risk come back. If you wish to be safer then put the effort in to collecting the necessary intel to be safer. A simple set of eyes cloaked off a gate should be sufficient.
Do not be naive and think local only provides and advantage to the prey. The advantage local provides to the prey is far greater than the advantage provided to the hunter. However, the hunter still benefits from local. How would they know there is prey to kill if not for local? If you remove local then the hunter must adapt also. No longer can they roam through systems instantly knowing it is empty or not. They must put in effort and skill to find prey if it is there at all. This may even make the prey safer as they can use skill instead of an effortless perfect intel source to evade a skilled hunter.
Local is for chat, not intel. Remove the perfect effortless intel aspect from local to restore it to its intended role: chat. This will restore the risk to nulslec and the balance back to the hunter and the prey.
+1 for me and thats comming from a renting ****** as im.
I think use const chat then , then you know atleast sombody is around a few jumps.
With the removol of local i like to see then a 15min timer on the cloack modules , cutting my own fingers here a little cause i have alts around deklein for the fun of it.
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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
658
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Posted - 2013.08.13 09:12:00 -
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Goddess Ishtar wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Goddess Ishtar wrote:Harry Forever wrote:the alliances have way bigger advantages because they see you 5 jumps ahead The alliance of people who share common cause and work together should always beat the high sec pubbies making bad posts about how they can't be a ~lone wulf~ elite PvPer in Eve Online. big alliances scared by pubbies noted We are only scared of posting as bad as yours.
scared about people telling the truth
noted Goons Doomsday Forever! |
Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
658
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Posted - 2013.08.13 09:16:00 -
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TheBlueMonkey wrote:I too joined an mmo so I could play on my own
its called P vs. P for a reason, not P + P Goons Doomsday Forever! |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
438
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Posted - 2013.08.13 09:27:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:as an expert in passing gatecamps i was able to get through HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Escaping a gatecamp in a covops does not make you an expert, it makes you at least 10% awake, and that's all. The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff. |
Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2013.08.13 09:32:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:TheBlueMonkey wrote:I too joined an mmo so I could play on my own its called P vs. P for a reason, not P + P
Tell us more about your Pee Pee
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RaTTuS
BIG Insidious Empire
324
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Posted - 2013.08.13 09:33:00 -
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this then would make bigger alliances more invulnerable, as they can have more people scanning the systems before hand so you still get taken out but you don't know who was scanning you down.
1 cloaked alt on each gate and aware people you stand no chance of moving anywhere http://eveboard.com/ub/419190933-134.png http://imgur.com/nxJJVyV |
William Walker
House Aratus Fatal Ascension
227
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Posted - 2013.08.13 09:36:00 -
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Lugalbandak wrote:[quote=Aliventi]perfect intel to die. If you want that level of intel you must work for it.
you blatantly ignored your effortless perfect intel source.
Local is for chat, not intel.
Perfect intel? Have you ever BEEN in an intel channel? I will give you a common example:
Someguy1 > woah Someguy1 > **** like a bunch of guys on 4-ep gate in 3we Cooldude2 > How many? Someguy1 > I dunno man i burned back to gate. like 40? Cooldude2 > what ship types? Someguy1 > cruisers i think 5 minutes later Cooldude2 > are they still there? 10 minutes later Cooldude2 > 4-ep gate in 3WE status? 10 minutes later Someguy2 > clear
Just an example, but quite common. Intel is not perfect, it is fallible, it is human, it has errors, it has holes. Often enough a cruiser gang will enter in EC-P8R, disappear off intel for 30 minutes, show up in Deklein intel, then when a friendly gang is there to find them, they already left towards Cloud Ring, and no one in Fade noticed because they weren't at their screen. pâ+(*GîÆGêçGîÆ*)n+ë pü+(pé£GêçpÇü-¦)pü+ (GùòGÇ+GùòG£+) |
Remiel Pollard
Layman's terms TAXU
1600
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Posted - 2013.08.13 09:43:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:we heared NO a couple of times, however no argumets for it... interesting
According to your OP, which states "everyone who disagrees can now cry below" or some such, you aren't interested in arguments against this idea. According to how you block everyone that disagrees with you or actually provides an argument against this idea, you aren't interested in arguments against this idea.
Because you aren't interested in arguments against this idea, we can safely extrapolate that you aren't interested in discussion, you just want your Lego playpack now and dammit, if mummy says no once more you're just gonna block your ears, jump up and down and scream "LALALALALALALALALALA" at the top of your lungs.
I know what your problem is, though. You can't handle rejection. You aren't interested in potential new ideas that could alter the way you think, you just want everything and everyone to cater to your ideas and if they don't, or show signs of disagreement, you're just going to block them out before they get the chance to do it to you.
You're not alone, however. There are many like-minded individuals out there that I'm sure you can find some acceptance with. There are groups that gather to discuss pseudoscience like homoeopathy, anti-vaccination and creationism, they'll have your back for sure. You'll make a lot of real friends there. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Biff Ekpyrion
Solar Storm Insidious Empire
17
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Posted - 2013.08.13 10:11:00 -
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I think that, in order to have local as it works today, there should have to be a beacon built in the system.
The beacon could be built by a corp/alliance and could also be destroyed by anyone (with maybe less HP and cost than a POS).
This way, the chance for intel would be there, but it would require some effort. It would also spice up the fleet strategies.
As it is now, null sec is far safer than highsec, which I suppose isn't really in the spirit of null sec being the lawless frontier, or whatever.
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Remiel Pollard
Layman's terms TAXU
1602
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Posted - 2013.08.13 10:26:00 -
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I just don't get why people don't do a forum search before posting this crap. It's not like it hasn't been done to death. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1302
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Posted - 2013.08.13 10:29:00 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Burl en Daire wrote:Local is offensive and defensive, I think removing local would hurt newer or inexperienced more than it would help. Removing local would not stop gate camps or Intel channels. it would make the game much more interesting, it also would be closer to reality, intel channels would need to look at the gates to see if somebody goes through, now they can just have an alt at a safespot new players do not even know how to use it, I had to be one month into the game until I realized that this channel shows everybody who is in the system, its totally unimportant for new players new players can also use the map to see if pilots are in the system, thats much better vs. the local chat that just shows the experienced players that a newb is in the system I'm not talking about removing gatecamps, I'm talking about removing the possibility to prepare a camp upfront because of this intel channel, its just too easy for experience players to see a newb coming to their territory
Eve and reality :) This is not a signature. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1302
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Posted - 2013.08.13 10:50:00 -
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Sylveria Relden wrote:Will never happen.
Realistically, when you enter any system in space, you would have no clue who or what is in the system with you- let alone their exact position(s) and that's what probing/scanning is all about.
Imagine how much more challenging it would be if you actually had to find signatures for everyone in a system to investigate them. Imagine people actually having to pay attention to d-scan to see if someone's popping probes to scan down targets. You wouldn't know if it's a PVP or PVE target until you warped in to investigate it.
My opinion- but I really do believe it would make the game much more exciting for everyone rather than catering to just the few lazy people who don't want to bother with scanning if they don't have to. It might actually bolster the role for people who actually do train scanning skills to scout out systems, etc.
The few people left playing, would probably agree with you. This is not a signature. |
Lee Saisima
Caldari Arms and Industry
0
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Posted - 2013.08.13 11:04:00 -
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L2P. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
431
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Posted - 2013.08.13 11:45:00 -
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So many completely ignorant people in this thread. I'm reading things like "effortless, perfect intel". Gathering intel takes effort, because you can't trust intel channels. They're indicative. If you want perfect intel, you need scouts. You might get lucky decloaking a T3 or a bomber but in general only a group of organised people with scouts in appropriate systems will be successful at doing it.
The people wanting local removed GFTO into a WH or learn to play Eve.
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CCP Gargant
C C P C C P Alliance
548
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Posted - 2013.08.13 11:53:00 -
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Moved the thread from General Discussion to Features and Ideas, where it belongs CCP Gargant | Community Representative | EVE Illuminati | Tournament Referee |
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
5560
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Posted - 2013.08.13 12:03:00 -
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CCP Gargant wrote:Moved the thread from General Discussion to Features and Ideas, where it belongs Take your time sweetheart. There's no rush. GD is a decent place this time of the day. |
Inokuma Yawara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
110
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Posted - 2013.08.13 12:21:00 -
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CCP Gargant wrote:Moved the thread from General Discussion to Features and Ideas, where it belongs
*Tsk!* Another thread, sent to it's demise in the Features & Ideas forums... Where threads go to die.... How sad. Watch this space.-á New exciting signature in development. |
Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp. Northern Associates.
62
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Posted - 2013.08.13 12:48:00 -
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Inokuma Yawara wrote:CCP Gargant wrote:Moved the thread from General Discussion to Features and Ideas, where it belongs *Tsk!* Another thread, sent to it's demise in the Features & Ideas forums... Where threads go to die.... How sad. Lugalbandak wrote:Aliventi wrote:... Local is for chat.... ... I think use const chat then , then you know atleast sombody is around a few jumps. Is there really a Constellation chat channel? I'm SO gonna add it to my chat box. Wait! Am I falling for another prank?
yep , its been a few years , but i geuss tey still are |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
426
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Posted - 2013.08.13 13:38:00 -
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OP is either the best troll ever......
.......or I don't know how he managed to fire up a computer and log in. |
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CCP Falcon
3708
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Posted - 2013.08.13 13:40:00 -
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An alliance, defending their space from someone they don't feel should be there? Surely not!
Also, moving this to Features & Ideas Discussion.
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