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Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.08.13 04:35:00 -
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In the real world, spoiled adults can take their complaints to courts where a judge (and / or jury depending on what country you are in) decides if someone owes something, and collects upon it.
Hi sec is basically the 1st world as far as lore is concerned. Citizens there are afforded protections such as CONCORD, Faction Navies, cheap industry, and extensive infrastructures. But what about the lawyers?
I propose that each of the 4 empires gets their own unique civil code. This civil code allows you to sue people in hi sec for damages. This only applies to hi sec, so if the person you're suing does not live in hi sec then you can't sue them.
It would allow players with a high standing to an empire to become lawyers in much the same way you can join FW. New contracts would be created that allow legal procedures to be followed for litigation. But lawyers would have to work within a complex code, like the real world, so they would charge significantly for their fees.
For example, lets say that someone got ganked in their hulk. They press civil damages for the value of their hulk and a lawyer takes up the case and starts the paper pushing process. A jury, made up of randomly selected characters who are forced to vote, would decide the outcome of the case. If the hulk pilot wins, they can garnish the wages or sieze property from the ganker. If they lose, they have to repay legal fees to the ganker (the ganker will need to hire a lawyer as well or automatically lose).
But here is an example of it not working. Lets say that someone who reads too much Mittani blames NC. and Nulli Secunda for their hulk getting ganked, and decides to sue progodlegend. Since progodlegend is a member of a sov holding nullsec alliance, he is not only immune to litigation but can counter sue for defamation of character.
Corps and alliances could also create liability waiver contracts that prevent charges from being pressed against them by the person who signed them.
This would add the realism EVE needs. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.08.13 04:44:00 -
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--> Features & Ideas Discussion
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Mr Pragmatic
611
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Posted - 2013.08.13 05:06:00 -
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O/10
Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness. -á-Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2000
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Posted - 2013.08.13 05:21:00 -
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Hey I have a dumb idea, TO GENERAL DISCUSSION! |
Conrad Makbure
Division One Security
50
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Posted - 2013.08.13 05:24:00 -
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Civil wardec, pretty much. Besides, don't most of the suicide gankers who attack miners live in null? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16033
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Posted - 2013.08.13 05:24:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:This only applies to hi sec, so if the person you're suing does not live in hi sec then you can't sue them. If it wasn't pretty bad before (such as thinking that pod pilots are citizens of the empires), this is where the idea steers head-long into the bog of pointlessness and sinks with an obnoxious and flatulent gurgle.
What problem are you trying to solve? And why aren't you posting in the right forum section?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
827
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Posted - 2013.08.13 06:05:00 -
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0.000...05/10.
It's only non-zero because of the responses elicited, I might add.
Really OP, you should be ashamed of yourself 
Meta-gaming for carebears:
Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up. |
Posting From Underbridge
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.08.13 06:06:00 -
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Tippia wrote:
What problem are you trying to solve? And why aren't you posting in the right forum section?
In both cases, his hunger for troll food. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
11227
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Posted - 2013.08.13 06:25:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:In the real world...
This would add the realism EVE needs.
No it isn't.
1 Kings 12:11
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
Self Sabatoge
1157
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Posted - 2013.08.13 06:59:00 -
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High sec already have a code and James 315 is our leader, saviour, and judge.
If it's not broken, why fix it?
See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did. |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3624
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Posted - 2013.08.13 09:24:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:High sec already have a code and James 315 is our leader, saviour, and judge. If it's not broken, why fix it?
Would have thought Chribba makes a great judge. :/ |
Larg Kellein
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
30
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Posted - 2013.08.13 09:37:00 -
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The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. |
William Walker
House Aratus
Fatal Ascension
227
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Posted - 2013.08.13 09:41:00 -
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In the name of Highsec and the New Halaima Code of Conduct in collaboration with the CFC and his highness The Mittani, King of the North and protector of the realm, we hereby declare this thread and it's contents therein for null and void. All in favor, like this post.
pâ+(*GîÆGêçGîÆ*)n+ë pü+(pé£GêçpÇü-¦)pü+ (GùòGÇ+GùòG£+) |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe
YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
3863
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Posted - 2013.08.13 09:59:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Citizens there
Capsuleers aren't citizens. They are above and outside the laws of the empires.
This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
Tyrton
Imbecile MIiss Managment and Disasters
Intergalactic Interstellar Interns
42
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Posted - 2013.08.13 10:01:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:In the real world
Is where i stopped reading.
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Grimpak
Midnight Elites
United Federation of Commerce
1044
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Posted - 2013.08.13 10:11:00 -
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so wait, you can't/won't take a ship/hire a merc and go shoot the crap out of your enemies, so you want to other people to slap them in the and and behave like nannies?
[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote]
ain't that right |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
507
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Posted - 2013.08.13 10:13:00 -
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Only if we get to flee to space mexico. |
Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Industrial Corp.
Northern Associates.
60
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Posted - 2013.08.13 10:18:00 -
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damn you always fast with number one comment |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
3628
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Posted - 2013.08.13 10:57:00 -
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Lugalbandak wrote:damn you always fast with number one comment Maybe he uses Chribbas twitter notification system ... |
Achronatar
UNSOL Training
0
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Posted - 2013.08.13 11:00:00 -
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How do you define where you live in Eve? |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
861
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Posted - 2013.08.13 11:51:00 -
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Can I be a spacelawyer? |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
Home Front Coalition
642
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Posted - 2013.08.13 11:55:00 -
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Dec'm & shoot'm. That's all the bureaucracy I need from CONCORD thank you. |
Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
117
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Posted - 2013.08.13 12:04:00 -
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Larg Kellein wrote:The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.
If only so we can do this, this idea needs to be included.
C'mon CCP, let us suicide gank the high-sec pub matches in Dust..... |
TheBlueMonkey
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
480
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Posted - 2013.08.13 12:16:00 -
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awww man this sounds awesome, I mean, trawling through the ins and outs of an entirely fictitious set of rules and codes looking for loop holes sounds like tons of fun.
Hell, it'd give WiS a point too, I could have a desk piled high with paper work that I need to read through and sort.....
Or I could just do my actual filing which'd at least serve a point.
1) how do you define where someone lives?
2) what about someone who lives in a 0.4 system and then rolls into highsec just to gank people?
3) how're you going to ensure people vote and that you're not just polling alts\abandoned accounts.
4) how're you going to force people to pay (this is why loans in eve were removed)
5) how is this fun? |
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
119
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Posted - 2013.08.13 13:07:00 -
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Call Saul?
GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½
...end transmission... |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
738
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Posted - 2013.08.13 13:48:00 -
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Yeah, and while we're at it, let's add real customs and immigration offices for the empires. You'd have to have the right documents, go on like 6 or 7 distribution missions across two regions to assemble the paperwork and the seals and stamps correctly, pay a fee to the medical departments in certain stations to get your shots, etc. And you damn well better make sure your starship registration is up to date.
...
Or, we can just be immortal capsuleers who are almost completely above every law but that of CONCORD. Yeah, that one sounds like more fun, instead of playing Bureaucracy Online.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Jonah Gravenstein
Shepherd Contract Agency Scholarly Division
11629
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Posted - 2013.08.13 14:06:00 -
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Harry is that you?
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
738
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Posted - 2013.08.13 14:08:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Harry is that you?
Obviously not. This guy, while his idea is bad and he should feel bad, actually uses punctuation and sentence structure, and hasn't blocked 5 people on the first page yet.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Jonah Gravenstein
Shepherd Contract Agency Scholarly Division
11629
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Posted - 2013.08.13 14:14:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Harry is that you? Obviously not. This guy, while his idea is bad and he should feel bad, actually uses punctuation and sentence structure, and hasn't blocked 5 people on the first page yet.
Ahha but can he use the word "pettifogging" in the correct context, Harry can 
Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
739
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Posted - 2013.08.13 14:19:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Harry is that you? Obviously not. This guy, while his idea is bad and he should feel bad, actually uses punctuation and sentence structure, and hasn't blocked 5 people on the first page yet. Ahha but can he use the word "pettifogging" in the correct context, Harry can
I remember that. It was truly baffling. Maybe Harry has a word calendar or something.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
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