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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2011.10.28 14:29:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:Posting in a thread with peasants who are too poor to afford NeX items even though CCP gave out tonnes of free AUR but the idiotic peasants bought boots with the AUR and sold them for 2 mil even though a direct AUR->ISK conversion would value the boots at about 100mil and then the foolish peasants continually repeated their mistakes the other times CCP gave out free AUR and now they're crying because CCP can't fix stupid.
Quoting a person whose advise would see CCP and Eve Online bankrupt in 12 months.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
125
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Posted - 2011.10.28 14:38:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:DarkAegix wrote:Posting in a thread with peasants who are too poor to afford NeX items even though CCP gave out tonnes of free AUR but the idiotic peasants bought boots with the AUR and sold them for 2 mil even though a direct AUR->ISK conversion would value the boots at about 100mil and then the foolish peasants continually repeated their mistakes the other times CCP gave out free AUR and now they're crying because CCP can't fix stupid. Quoting a person whose advise would see CCP and Eve Online bankrupt in 12 months. Let me guess.. You're both married? |

Azahni Vah'nos
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.28 15:02:00 -
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Tanya Fox wrote:You can use purchased isk (selling PLEX ) to pay towards items out of the LP store.
Your argument says effectively that all items are player made except the NeX items, that's simply not true.
A lot of faction items are not player made they do magically appear, the object (ammo in this case) gets handed in with isk and LP points iirc, that object is likely destroyed and replaced magically with a new object (faction ammo). Same with other items although you need tags as well on some (tags can also be purchased using isk you got from selling PLEX). But where do you get the LP from? you have to play the game to earn them or someone else did if you purchased the ammo from the market.
Quote:Skill books, implants (not heard of player made ones), schematics/plans are not player made.
The LP items you say you can use with pride have game/character altering stats attached. Skillbooks, Implants and schematics are fine as they are and the methods of acquiring them.
Where did I say there are stats attached, these would be items purely to show your status with a given faction.
Quote:NeX items have no stats attached that effect the game, they just make a character look different and that is all. Thanks, so you agree that the NEX items add no value to the sandbox.
Quote:I'm glad there is no tailoring profession in this game, just think maybe alchemist would be a good one after that. Now it's starting to sound like another game. Because it doesn't interest you personally then your against adding more sand into the sandbox. I just see it as a feature that further diversifies the game and broadens the appeal of EVE to more people. Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |

non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
125
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Posted - 2011.10.28 15:32:00 -
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An alchemist makes drugs? So they could be someone who makes boosters, maybe? I think it's too late. Eve has turned into that other game. You guys just haven't noticed yet.
Things shouldn't be added to the game unless they add value to it? Kinda like those free ships we got ... The sansha codebreaker frigate Echelon, the wormhole probing Zephyr and the Primae? They added heaps of value to the game ;P
If you could do other things with Aur, like give things to the Dust soldiers, would the NeX store be okay? |

Tanya Fox
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2011.10.28 15:51:00 -
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Azahni Vah'nos wrote:Tanya Fox wrote:You can use purchased isk (selling PLEX ) to pay towards items out of the LP store.
Your argument says effectively that all items are player made except the NeX items, that's simply not true.
A lot of faction items are not player made they do magically appear, the object (ammo in this case) gets handed in with isk and LP points iirc, that object is likely destroyed and replaced magically with a new object (faction ammo). Same with other items although you need tags as well on some (tags can also be purchased using isk you got from selling PLEX). But where do you get the LP from? you have to play the game to earn them or someone else did if you purchased the ammo from the market. Quote:Skill books, implants (not heard of player made ones), schematics/plans are not player made.
The LP items you say you can use with pride have game/character altering stats attached. Skillbooks, Implants and schematics are fine as they are and the methods of acquiring them. Where did I say there are stats attached, these would be items purely to show your status with a given faction. Quote:NeX items have no stats attached that effect the game, they just make a character look different and that is all. Thanks, so you agree that the NEX items add no value to the sandbox. Quote:I'm glad there is no tailoring profession in this game, just think maybe alchemist would be a good one after that. Now it's starting to sound like another game. Because it doesn't interest you personally then your against adding more sand into the sandbox. I just see it as a feature that further diversifies the game and broadens the appeal of EVE to more people.
You said it yourself you can buy faction items from the market, you can also use isk obtained by selling PLEX. This also means that the status symbol you are so proud of means nothing to anyone else because you may have purchased it yourself as far as anyone else knows.
If you are happy with items not player made then I don't see your problem with NeX.
Unless what you're saying really is I can't afford those items and therefore don't feel like a special snowflake anymore. Is that what this is about?
As for LP it easy enough to get it just takes time to collect what you need.
NeX items add no value as far as stats are concerned but they do add value as far as making character look different.
Tailoring professions normally have items made that have stats, hopefully that will never happen as far as clothes are concerned.
This sandbox argument is used far to often yet Eve is not even truly a sandbox. It's more sandboxish. |

Amro One
One.
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Posted - 2011.10.28 16:07:00 -
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EVE is a sandbox. You can do what ever you want in it.
Just remember that sandboxes have boarders that keep the sand in it. Just happens to be that Vanity items are the item that the player wears when playing in the sand box. So really they should not have any effect on the sandbox.
Last time I checked, the clothing you wear well playing in a sand box does not give you a better advantage over the other person that is playing in it.
Next time, think about the analogy and its whole picture before saying stupid comments. |

Azahni Vah'nos
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
71
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Posted - 2011.10.28 16:26:00 -
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Tanya Fox wrote:You said it yourself you can buy faction items from the market, you can also use isk obtained by selling PLEX. This also means that the status symbol you are so proud of means nothing to anyone else because you may have purchased it yourself as far as anyone else knows. And I'll ask again, where did the LP come from? The status symbol remains exactly as it should by making a requirement of wearing it a certain standing level with that faction.
Quote:If you are happy with items not player made then I don't see your problem with NeX. And I'm finding it hard to understand why you want less for people to do in EVE rather than more.
Quote:Unless what you're saying really is I can't afford those items and therefore don't feel like a special snowflake anymore. Is that what this is about? So that's what your side of the discussion has come to huh, poor attempts at insulting me. Sorry, didn't work.
Quote:1) As for LP it easy enough to get it just takes time to collect what you need.
2) NeX items add no value as far as stats are concerned but they do add value as far as making character look different.
3) Tailoring professions normally have items made that have stats, hopefully that will never happen as far as clothes are concerned. 1) So you agree that you earn it. 2) I'm glad that your so happy with such shallow value. Many others are not. 3) Now your completely generalising, where did I say player produced clothing in EVE should have stats. It is immateriel how crafting is done in other games because we are not talking about them, we are talking about EVE.
Quote:This sandbox argument is used far to often yet Eve is not even truly a sandbox. It's more sandboxish. So your idea is to make EVE even less of a sandbox game rather than adding more sandbox elements. Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |

Tanya Fox
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2011.10.28 16:35:00 -
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Azahni Vah'nos wrote: stuff
There's really no point discussing this further with you as you would argue black is white if it suited your purposes.
And I'm sure if I did reply with more than what I'm replying with now we could be here all night. So best not to waste the time.
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Soulpirate
State War Academy Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2011.10.28 16:54:00 -
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Trainwreck McGee wrote:Nex items should have blue prints
Nex items should be destructible
Aurum should burn
Nex store should burn
Show us on the doll where the Aurum touched you.
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Azahni Vah'nos
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
71
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Posted - 2011.10.28 16:55:00 -
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Tanya Fox wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote: stuff There's really no point discussing this further with you as you would argue black is white if it suited your purposes. And I'm sure if I did reply with more than what I'm replying with now we could be here all night. So best not to waste the time. It's okay I understand, your points have become invalid. Umm what happened to grey.
You feel that having a discussion is a waste of time? why then pray tell are you on the forums. Your not a ... a troll are you? Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |

Tanya Fox
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2011.10.28 16:58:00 -
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Azahni Vah'nos wrote:Tanya Fox wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote: stuff There's really no point discussing this further with you as you would argue black is white if it suited your purposes. And I'm sure if I did reply with more than what I'm replying with now we could be here all night. So best not to waste the time. It's okay I understand, your points have become invalid. Umm what happened to grey. You feel that having a discussion is a waste of time? why then pray tell are you on the forums. Your not a ... a troll are you?
Take a look in the mirror, that's what a troll looks like. Now be a good troll and get back under your bridge.  |

Azahni Vah'nos
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
71
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Posted - 2011.10.28 17:06:00 -
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Tanya Fox wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote:Tanya Fox wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote: stuff There's really no point discussing this further with you as you would argue black is white if it suited your purposes. And I'm sure if I did reply with more than what I'm replying with now we could be here all night. So best not to waste the time. It's okay I understand, your points have become invalid. Umm what happened to grey. You feel that having a discussion is a waste of time? why then pray tell are you on the forums. Your not a ... a troll are you?  Take a look in the mirror, that's what a troll looks like. Now be a good troll and get back under your bridge.  Wait, having a discussion is now classed as trolling? when did this all change. Is there some new forum rule that I missed?
I really can't go under the bridge sorry, because I don't think I'd fit under there with you.  Nex (Cash Shop)-á/ Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future. |
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