I have thought for a while now that someone has been keeping the prices down on the Gnosis market in Jita. There has always been large quantity's put up around 62-63m which seems to have kept the price down. Yesterday though all these large quantity orders were removed and for the first time in a while the Gnosis market is spiking upwards.

I can only presume the trader/traders want to cash in on there manipulation, might see Gnosis's hitting 100m+ in the not so distant future.

Z

The gnosis isn't worth flying, nor does it have any kind of rarity. Comparatively few actually get destroyed and most people will never buy a gnosis over a similarly priced better ship. It will never be worth 100m. Ever.

@ samorski.

Why not take a loan based on those 500? A long long term one...

"Ever" seems so final! I expected these to hit the figure 2-3 years down the line, though after your comment I feel like revising the the ETA to 2018.

This is of course if nothing else changes. The first major change, though, would be the 5 run BPCs which should hit Eve pretty soon. At least these will give us an idea of the mineral cost, and are likely to impact the price, even though the material cost is likely to be <100m.

And then CCP could go the Sarum Magnate way, or open up Jove space, or re-balance/nerf the ship, and so on.... Should never have bought those 500 Gnoses....

As an aside: nearly 50k Gnoses have been traded at Jita to date, representing about 10% of the total. Not sure how many have been lost.

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This is of course if nothing else changes. The first major change, though, would be the 5 run BPCs which should hit Eve pretty soon. At least these will give us an idea of the mineral cost, and are likely to impact the price, even though the material cost is likely to be <100m.

The gnosis isn't worth flying, nor does it have any kind of rarity. Comparatively few actually get destroyed and most people will never buy a gnosis over a similarly priced better ship. It will never be worth 100m. Ever.

I have a considerable gnosis stack

you guys are SO GOOD about discouraging others

I laughed...you guys are SO GOOD about discouraging others ...lol...I almost believed that you yourself believed what you were saying.

Look the Battlecruiser Gnosis is selling at battlecruiser prices.
For a ship that will never have a BPO and will effectively, for all intents & purposes, disappear from the game, 65mil is an incredibly solid buy. Most pilots are still generally uneducated about the Gnosis.
It does slightly less DPS than other Battlecruisers but has an excellent tank regardless of race and is an incredibly multifaceted vessel that can be fitted decently in every way conceivable.

It's rather akin to a baby Tengu in that it can be fitted with many different philosophies in mind meeting the needs of both PVP using various doctrines as well as shining in highsec PVE especially for younger pilots.
Let's take a worst case scenario.
Add up how many of these ships have already been given out. Let's say 200,000 characters received the ship while it was being handed out then say that 10,000 people buy the 10year anniversary edition which would add another 50,000 ships from the 5 run bpc. That gives us 250,000 Gnosis.
Yesterday and the previous day there were 46 & 40 Gnosis lost respectively. This includes only pvp losses mind you.
So let's say that a total of 75 Gnosis a day are lost to both PVP & PVE. In 1 year that would be 27,375 ships which would mean that in under 10 years the Gnosis supply would be completely depleted.

Remember that unlike so many of the "collector" ships this one is versatile and pilots actually desire to fly it.

Many of us have already seen the Goon & Test Gnosis fleets and there have been and will continue to be times when these ships will be lost in large quantities because of this.

So not only will the Gnosis be an excellent long term investment but it's a superb item to daytrade as the spread usually has a huge gap because of the generally widespread lack of vision concerning its future.

I took a small loss on the first 30 I purchased at a hundred mil but have since made bucketloads trading this fine vessel across the galaxy and will continue to due so all the while collecting a stockpile for my own humble collection.

Good luck in your investments guys. Trust your instincts. 07

...For a ship that will never have a BPO and will effectively, for all intents & purposes, disappear from the game, 65mil is an incredibly solid buy...

I must have missed an announcement. Did CCP ever say the Gnosis was a limited, one-time release?

"Ever" seems so final! I expected these to hit the figure 2-3 years down the line, though after your comment I feel like revising the the ETA to 2018.

As an aside: nearly 50k Gnoses have been traded at Jita to date, representing about 10% of the total. Not sure how many have been lost.

Im really confused as to why some people think this ship is useless. Maybe its because you are traders who don't undock and know nothing about PvP.

Gnosis is awesome, hence why people are using use them. Not saying its good looking though.!

There are a few things on this fit i would change but for raw stats its pretty awesome.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/67218-DiaGnosis-Murder.html
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/65787-Gnosis-PvP-with-up-to-70-282k-ehp-and-825-dps.html

Z

5 round BP slap in your face...

Christmass will surely bring another 5 run BPC or single ship gift, Gnosis profits are staying down for good if you ask me as CCP will make the BPC a drop in exploration sites.

Fixed. Right now I just have a pyle. I have no problems with disclosure.



Yes. It's listed as a "special edition" ship which means there will be no further runs in the future.

Incorrect. Special edition is just 'Special' in some way. You are confusing Special with Limited meaning only a certain number will ever be released. CCP have said that unless they specifically say something is limited edition they hold the right to re-release it at an undetermined point in the future, regardless of what market speculators are paying for things.

Well...you're more then welcome to try and find an example one of these special edition ships that they have released more than once but I don't think you'll have much luck. If they released them to meet demand they wouldn't be very "special" now would they?

Sarum Magnate.

I have thought for a while now that someone has been keeping the prices down on the Gnosis market in Jita. There has always been large quantity's put up around 62-63m which seems to have kept the price down. Yesterday though all these large quantity orders were removed and for the first time in a while the Gnosis market is spiking upwards.

I can only presume the trader/traders want to cash in on there manipulation, might see Gnosis's hitting 100m+ in the not so distant future.

Z

Incorrect. Special edition is just 'Special' in some way. You are confusing Special with Limited meaning only a certain number will ever be released. CCP have said that unless they specifically say something is limited edition they hold the right to re-release it at an undetermined point in the future, regardless of what market speculators are paying for things.

...As it become more rare, demand will only decrease...

This post may or may not increase the prices of Gnosis in Jita but I strongly doubt they'll make more of them.

The main reason for that is not just that the ship is special, it's also specified on the Collectors Edition page that:

"Gnosis Battlecruiser Blueprint, a five-run blueprint copy of the impressive 10th Anniversary gift ship."

To release more 10th anniversary gift ships wouldn't be fair because then it wouldn't be a 10th anniversary gift ship anymore.

Well...you're more then welcome to try and find an example one of these special edition ships that they have released more than once but I don't think you'll have much luck. If they released them to meet demand they wouldn't be very "special" now would they?