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Slappy McSlapstein
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Posted - 2005.12.27 04:24:00 -
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Hey, I noticed there are no tech 2 EW ships thus far. Are there any plans to implement them in the future? I plan on going EW, but I dont want to put too may skillpoints in it if I cant upgrade later on.
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Lock out
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Posted - 2005.12.27 04:39:00 -
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What about recon ships? |
Slappy McSlapstein
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Posted - 2005.12.27 04:45:00 -
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you mean covert ops? Those are for cloaking, mainly spying and smuggling and recon like you said. I'm talking about jamming etc.
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slip66
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Posted - 2005.12.27 04:47:00 -
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sigh....
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.12.27 04:48:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 27/12/2005 04:48:26
 Originally by: Slappy McSlapstein
you mean covert ops? Those are for cloaking, mainly spying and smuggling and recon like you said. I'm talking about jamming etc.
...no he meant the new T2 cruiser class: Recon and Force Recon.
They are Ewar powerhorses. One being totally dedicated to their racial type of Ewar and the other to Ewar + cloaking/cyno field production.
edit: and I think you are mistaken Recon with Covert Ops
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Posted - 2005.12.27 04:50:00 -
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Yeah, as Grimpak mentioned, I'm talking about the ship class called "Recon Ships". They're a new type of tech2 cruiser. Do a search on the EVE market for "Rook", it's a Caldari recon ship designed for jamming. |
Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.12.27 06:39:00 -
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Why is cloaking a bad thing? If you're target can't lock you it shouldn't matter. Most all ships with 4 or more medium slots are considered a EW ship to me. SO that means a Vagabond is a Tech2 EW ship to me. More to EW than ECM that's for sure, also more to EW than a bonus.
All of the Recon ships are nice Tech2 EW ships. All with some sort of bonus to them. So saying there is no EW tech2 ship is pretty dumb. You also have also had "Covert Op Frigates" in game. These can and will also be tech2 EW ships. As well most all other high mid slot ships when USED correctly.
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Slappy McSlapstein
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Posted - 2005.12.27 07:45:00 -
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Sorry, I have only been in the game a little over a week, and didn't see anything about recon ships. No need to get all snotty.
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.12.27 08:34:00 -
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Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
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All of the Recon ships are nice Tech2 EW ships.
Except for the Lachesis and the covops counterpart (the t2 Celestis variants). They already sucked pretty bad because of poor bonuses compared to the others, and with the sensor damp bug they became totally useless paperweights.
Until the sensor damp stacking thing is fixed, there is absolutely no reason to fly these ships, and even after that they are only so-so.
The other t2 EW ships look good, though.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.12.27 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
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All of the Recon ships are nice Tech2 EW ships.
Except for the Lachesis and the covops counterpart (the t2 Celestis variants). They already sucked pretty bad because of poor bonuses compared to the others, and with the sensor damp bug they became totally useless paperweights.
Until the sensor damp stacking thing is fixed, there is absolutely no reason to fly these ships, and even after that they are only so-so.
The other t2 EW ships look good, though.
I don't know if you know this but just because the stacking on damps sucks. Doesn't mean you can't strap on ECM to those ships. You really think 30km webber on the Minmatar Recon ships is going to make it a hardcore EW ship? That's just 1 module we can use where your ship has a damp bonus that would of rocked before hand. So all recon ships are as equal. Unless for some reason they added a stacking pentaly to ECM.
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.12.27 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
I don't know if you know this but just because the stacking on damps sucks. Doesn't mean you can't strap on ECM to those ships. You really think 30km webber on the Minmatar Recon ships is going to make it a hardcore EW ship? That's just 1 module we can use where your ship has a damp bonus that would of rocked before hand. So all recon ships are as equal. Unless for some reason they added a stacking pentaly to ECM.
Ummm, why on earth would I use a Lachesis as an ECM platform when I could use a Rook, which is much much better at it? I mean yes, you are right, I could use ECM on a Lachesis (just like on any other ship), but why would I? IMHO; using a ship specifically designed to do X to do Y instead isn't usually a good idea.
Yes, a Lachesis with 1-2 damps and the rest ECM could work. But a Rook would work much better. So it's back to the hangar for the Lachesis.
It's the same with t1 ships. Sure, I could use a Celestis as an ECM platform, but it wouldn't make much sense.
...and about the Minmatar variant: it's different, but yes I do think it's powerful as is. The combo of long-range webber and boosted target painters makes it an evil inty/frigate killer. On paper anyway, we'll see how it works in practice.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.12.27 09:40:00 -
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One of the main aspects of EVE is thinking outside the box my friend. If it was that horriable to cross use ECM. Then the Raven wouldn't of worked out so well using EW in the first place. I mean you're right the rook would do it so much better. Yet that doesn't mean you wont do it good either. It's not like you're trying to fly the best of the best in EVE. Otherwise, you might as well spend more time cross training all ships in EVE to keep up. Which I hate to say it is very stupid.
So can all the recon ships fly EW platforms well? YES!
Can the Rook do a ECM Platform better? YES!
Does that mean your ECM Platform will suck? NO!
Cross using weapons/modules is not a bad thing if used right. I mean I would have lost my Maller last week to a NoS/Drone Vexor if I didn't have 2x1600 plates and 150mm Autocannon II's on. Why? Because It just so happens I need 0 cap to shoot with autocannons. Is that a bad thing? Nope, and I still use it today. Why? Because it works well for what I need it too.
Think outside the box. Believe those are TomB's words. Think he would support that idea and concept of fitting out your ships to be more fun and effective in combat. Otherwise, why would we fit NoS on the Gallante ships? They have no bonus to them. Yet some faction ships do... Why would we throw all smartbombs on a megathron to snag people at the gate like before? I mean it's better to use blasters isn't it?
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.12.27 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
One of the main aspects of EVE is thinking outside the box my friend.
Oh, I agree on this, and do it a lot myself -- I have a lot of very strange setups. 
I'm just saying that the Lachesis wasn't all that hot as a ship even before this bug, and now (in my view) it's next to useless. It wouldn't be so bad if it was a cheap, expendable t1 ship -- sure, I could buy a few and try things out. But it's a new, high-tech t2 ship, which will cost a ton of isk. Who in their right mind will buy this ship, with the very marginal effects it gives?
It's a new Ares. An "ok" ship, but crap compared to the other ships in the same category.
Of course, since price is determined by demand, this should result in the Gallente t2 EW ships becoming pretty cheap at some point -- at which point they may become useful, since I suspect the other recon cruisers will stay very expensive for a long time.
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booh
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Posted - 2006.04.24 13:12:00 -
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Edited by: booh on 24/04/2006 13:14:40
Minmatar have sucky bonuses.
Caldari can jamm a BS.
Gallente can scramble and dampen a BS to middleage.
Amarr can suck it dry and tracking disrupt it + jamming is useless because of the drones.
Minmatar can slow it down and make it bigger. And then die.
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Foulis
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Posted - 2006.04.24 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: booh
Edited by: booh on 24/04/2006 13:14:40
Minmatar have sucky bonuses.
Caldari can jamm a BS.
Gallente can scramble and dampen a BS to middleage.
Amarr can suck it dry and tracking disrupt it + jamming is useless because of the drones.
Minmatar can slow it down and make it bigger. And then die.
Unless they have a buddy in a torp raven =D.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.04.24 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: booh
Edited by: booh on 24/04/2006 13:14:40
Minmatar have sucky bonuses.
Caldari can jamm a BS.
Gallente can scramble and dampen a BS to middleage.
Amarr can suck it dry and tracking disrupt it + jamming is useless because of the drones.
Minmatar can slow it down and make it bigger. And then die.
My Stiletto can jam a Raven. Why couldn't my Rapier with 4x more ECM jammers. A bonus is much more than what it says in the description of the ship. Rapier has a bonus to it's medium slots compared to all others. It has 6 not 5. Thus making it the elite choice for ECM ship that can beat down all others when you put it against it.
Not to mention a big drone bay for 4xECM or 4xMedium II drones.
I swear you people just don't think anymore.
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Litus Arowar
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Posted - 2006.04.24 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: booh
Edited by: booh on 24/04/2006 13:14:40
Minmatar have sucky bonuses.
Caldari can jamm a BS.
Gallente can scramble and dampen a BS to middleage.
Amarr can suck it dry and tracking disrupt it + jamming is useless because of the drones.
Minmatar can slow it down and make it bigger. And then die.
if used properly, a huginn in a gang is the only anti-inty ship you will ever need... sit in the middle of your blob, fit 6 webs (hell, if you're feeling rich, fit 6 domination webs) and any inty that gets within 40 km (or 60 with dominations) is useless... and that's without thinking outside the box, that's just using its bonus
it's not gonna go out and gank BSs solo like a curse, but it can be a very useful tool in the right situation... can you imagine mixing it with an interdictor? instant deadzone wherever you go
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