Eve leaves room for both co-operation amd competition.
Naturally it attracts the odd lost soul who feeds on the dismay of others.
Goons all come from a website that is a haven for tearful neckbearded manchildren so naturally they need to realise themselves through messing with others.
I don't log on solely to bother people but must admit tat some whines from players that don't even try will bring out the worst in me.

I suppose I am writing this because I want those that gank and harvest tears to think that maybe the frustration that their victim feels is because the gameplay has forced them to play this way.

You are walking down a dark path.

We have a car. :getin:

In TMC, this article written by Tubrug looked at the value and causing of tears both as a currency and as fun. An interesting read however the man feels disturbed and writes angrily imo but I want to highlight an area that he seems to overlooked. .

The plight of the hi-sec "pubbie" as the goon overlords like to refer to them, is in all probability caused because they are a casual player. This means that they do not have the time or want to spend the time to work on relationships in the game.

Think about it. Most stuff in Eve takes a huge amount of time and effort, cultivating relationships is no exception. .

As they have not the network/contacts etc, they must remain in high sec most of the time to earn a living. Why? All the industrial stuff is in hi-sec. They can sell their stuff easily in hi-sec and they need to earn isk because they want the game to pay for itself (as the missus said that money can be put to better use than paying for pixels), so they must turn to a craft that does not take much time and delivers a return.

A lapse in concentration and a ganker gets them.

The immediate response to this is frustration and that is followed by not committed resignation but possibly an outburst and the resultant "tears" .

I suppose I am writing this because I want those that gank and harvest tears to think that maybe the frustration that their victim feels is because the gameplay has forced them to play this way. Would you react any differently if you were forced to gank?

Flame away...

The Mittani doesn't send his regards to just any random person feeling somewhat in pain in eve online.

Not true... at all. Just check out the recruiting channel in game- plenty of corps to choose from outside of high sec. No, not all the industrial stuff is in highsec. It is much easier to anchor a pos in lowsec and null, for instance, and you cannot build capitals in highsec. Mining and ratting in nullsec provides better isk than highsec (and no permit needed.)

There seems to be only one way that I can see a casual player (remember, limited time) having a reasonable Eve experience. They become the gankers.

Filled with a mixed of crazy, stupid and idiotic comments - I wish to focus on this one.

Did you read the part that specifies time? You know Erotica, the stuff that you spend scamming people - TIME.
EVERYTHING you have mentioned in the above paragraph require a massive amount of the stuff and you can NEVER be assured of a return. But there is one thing you are assured of - you will be ganked on the way to sell the stuff.

It may be easy to anchor a POS in low-sec/null but you spend most of you time defending it!. You cannot mine/rat in low sec because everyone is either out to get you or trying to get back to hi-sec to SELL the stuff is a necessity and the possibility of getting back is lower than doing it in hi-sec.

Building capitals - this is the most idiotic - this takes the most time in the game. This is when the game becomes a job due to the amount of stuff you need to build and the amount of mins you have to acquire to build the components then to ship them to a low-sec station for the building.

A casual player has no chance to do this - even a group of casual players would have difficulty.

There seems to be only one way that I can see a casual player (remember, limited time) having a reasonable Eve experience. They become the gankers. You cannot play this game as an industrial casually.

So in summary Erotica, you seem to have got you brain addled through all the honest scamming you do (I notice you only do that in hi-sec - why is that?) so pls think about your statements before posting.

ANSWER: Don't join a **** corp. Your friends will defend that stuff for you because they want "good fights" while you print isk. You can also mine or rat in low sec because if you don't join a **** corp, you will have more friends there than people "out to get you."

The Tears meme is riddled with logical fallacies.

But if everyone becomes a ganker, who is left to gank, aha

Erotica - you are still not thinking!!

Couriers take isk and plenty of it for hireage AND COLLATERAL. Where is a casual player going to get that amount of isk?

Time is the enemy here time to make the friends, time to do the stuff that needs doing to lay the foundation to get the isk - time.

And me - I'm a sweetie :)

Great point

Result would be that goons might go bust because no-one would be a renter to such a wonderful, trustworthy and upright organisation that the goons are .... gosh - must go and vomit

You're an enemy here? Well, I think you're a neutral but surely you're in highsec with concord right

Erotica - you are still not thinking!!

Couriers take isk and plenty of it for hireage AND COLLATERAL. Where is a casual player going to get that amount of isk?

Time is the enemy here time to make the friends, time to do the stuff that needs doing to lay the foundation to get the isk - time.

And me - I'm a sweetie :)

Delicious, but suspicious,
Tears or troll?
I post.

There seems to be only one way that I can see a casual player (remember, limited time) having a reasonable Eve experience. They become the gankers. You cannot play this game as an industrial casually.