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Vas Vadum
PH0ENIX COMPANY
Tribal Band
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Posted - 2013.08.18 06:39:00 -
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First we have Colors:
I know this has likely been suggested before, but I just realized one thing about the game. I'm not exactly sure how much space this would REALLY take in the game.
One method, is to make it possible to remap colors of the ship through scripts. So the program would change the colors of a ship based on the color chosen. Your ship hull DDS can contain special colors that remap with what is chosen. For example, green1 the base of the ship would be able to change to purple1 while green2 would change to purple2. So on so forth allowing you to keep the smoothness of the ship if you wanted. I imagine this would be very very hard to program in though. It's the harder of the options.
Then I noticed something. I was taking a look at the biggest ship.
The Avatar;
9 files. 3, 3D files for 3 different detail levels (graphics settings). 4 DDS files. 1 .black file.
lowdetail.gr2: 117.07KB
mediumdetail.gr2: 457KB
main gr2 file: 748.88KB
ao.dds = 2,731KB - I'm not sure what this file does. It might be what, lights? Ship glow?
d.dds = 683KB - This appears to be the ship's MAIN skin. The one you would re-color in game.
n.dds = 1,366KB - This looks like a diffuse file if my guess is right.
pgs.dds = 1,366KB - I have no clue what the hell this is.
And then there's one .black file, I am guessing these are little scripts that tell the game what parts of the skin go where. Am I correct?
Now if I'm right, coloring the skin into lets say 5 colors could take anywhere between 3,600KB and 4,800KB (600KB per file to 800KB per file). This includes original skin + 5 colors.
Would this really be so bad? 5MB per ship? What would you all say to that? Would you all hate the idea of having to download an additional 5MB per ship if it let ships be colored? Now, keep in mind. SOme DDS files are much larger and much more detailed, like the Skiff and other exhumes. Also keep in mind, that there are (if my count is accurate) 273 flyable ships in game. Adding 5 new skins for all of them could add between 800 megs to 1.5GB to the game file size.
CCP, are my estimates correct? Did I figure most of this data accurately?
Players of EVE, would 1.5GB be to much to add to the game to give each ship a set of paint jobs you can choose from?
One more thing to keep in mind. I counted all flyable ships. Special ships liek faction and special edition one of a kind ships should not receive paint jobs. This would possibly subtract about 100 (random guess) from the amount of ship skins and thus likely decrease the amount added to the game to possibly 1GB at most if all were to receive 5 new paint jobs.
Engine Flares:
What would you do if you could change your engine flares? Docking at the right stations fitted with the tools required to add a chemical to the impulse drive fuel that will change your engine flares color. This likely wouldn't take but a few kilobytes of data to the code, maybe up to 1 meg max estimated guess. Then just save the color setting to each person's ship with a value like "shipColor=0" (default) "shipColor=3" (blue) etc.
Ship Lights / Glow:
I'm not entirely sure what controls the lights on a ship or the glowing bits of a ship. But this is about the same as above. If it uses scripted colors and stuff, then several kilobytes of data. If it uses DDS files, then up to 1GB more data. If DDS files are used, I wouldn't want it due to the fact that lights aren't worth gigs of data, but pretty blue ships are (to me at least).
This is all speculation right now. I'm just making educated guesses, estimates, and asking the users what they think. If your ship could be painted a number of colors by docking at stations with a ship tweak bay, and all you'd need to do is pay a little ISK to get the ship customized. Would you like that?
So, questions. Copy and paste this below bit and replace with your answers. Copy everything inside the quote and place your answers after the : .
Quote:Do you want paintable ships? :
Do you want paintable ships, even if it takes a gig of data? :
Do you want colorable engine flares? :
Do you want colorable ship lights? :
Should all stations come with a ship tweak bay? :
What 5 ship colors would you like to see? (no specific ship, just colors) :
Would you like all colors of the rainbow for your engine flare choices? :
What price do you think would be good for engine flare color change? :
What price do you think would be good for ship paint? :
What price do you think would be good for ship light color changes? :
What favorite ship of yours would you want to paint? :
What color would you make it? :
What engine flare color would it burn? :
Here are my answers:
Do you want paintable ships? : Yes
Do you want paintable ships, even if it takes a gig of data? : Maybe
Do you want colorable engine flares? : Yes
Do you want colorable ship lights? : Maybe
Should all stations come with a ship tweak bay? : No
What 5 ship colors would you like to see? (no specific ship, just colors) : White, Blue, Red, Green, Purple
Would you like all colors of the rainbow for your engine flare choices? : Yes
What price do you think would be good for engine flare color change? : 500,000 ISK
What price do you think would be good for ship paint? : Depends, frigs lowest with 2,000,000 ISK to titans with 500,000,000 ISK
What price do you think would be good for ship light color changes? : 1,000,000 ISK
What favorite ship of yours would you want to paint? : Skiff
What color would you make it? : White
What engine flare color would it burn? : Green |
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
278
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Posted - 2013.08.18 07:29:00 -
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Just paint job will be enough for a start. Repacked ships will lose their custom paint.
Just some pics of how awesome those re-painted ships might look like:
first
second
third
Some oddballs to suit different tastes:
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb247/HappySpawn/EVE%20Online%20SS/HelloKittyKestrel.jpg
http://2ndanomalyfromtheleft.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/hellokittyapoc.jpg
http://evenews24.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/pinkwidow_azajigga_issue.jpg
Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1188
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Posted - 2013.08.18 07:36:00 -
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NPC corps skins only |
cerbus
www.caldariprimeponyclub.com
135
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Posted - 2013.08.18 07:52:00 -
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Please note the survey at the bottom of my signature :)
Ship Customisation Survey - www.tinyurl.com/cppcsurvey
Eve 3d Modelling Resources - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=257193
500+ ships for you to spin in your browser at work - http://eohgames.com/labs |
Vas Vadum
PH0ENIX COMPANY
Tribal Band
53
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Posted - 2013.08.18 09:01:00 -
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Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris, you skipped the 13 questions at the end. :P
Akrasjel Lanate, you also skipped the questions. :P
cerbus wrote:Please note the survey at the bottom of my signature :)
I did the survey. It is much better than my idea. Probably more successful. I was tired when typing out everything (like I still am) and didn't notice there was another much more detailed idea. The issue is, if something is complex, CCP may not ever do it. Your idea looks very complex. Mine was a bit more simple though it would still require the CCP artists to do a bit of work copying DDS files and recoloring them. Anyhow. I prefer your idea, if it were to be accepted, but as my experience over the years with CCP, nothing gets recognition. At least nearly every single idea I've ever in my life posted here. Even the easy super simple ones. |
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris
Republic Military Tax Avoiders
278
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Posted - 2013.08.18 09:18:00 -
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Vas Vadum wrote:Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris, you skipped the 13 questions at the end. :P
I do believe that i answered some of them to some extent in a non-formatted way in my post. i cant care less about exhaust and ship lights color so that minus 6 questions. Favorite ship question is irrelevant as is favorite color (pink!).
Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks. |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
119
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Posted - 2013.08.18 09:20:00 -
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You can have any color you want... as long as it's black. |
Yaturi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2013.08.18 09:39:00 -
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Quote:Would you like all colors of the rainbow for your engine flare choices?
I want dat mace windu sabre color for my sabre |
Yaturi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
34
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Posted - 2013.08.18 10:23:00 -
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Quote:What 5 ship colors would you like to see? (no specific ship, just colors) :
rusty orange, crimson red, tundra grey, electric candy blue, and a burnt sienna of some sorts.
I would say a green, but in space you don't see green. |
cerbus
www.caldariprimeponyclub.com
138
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Posted - 2013.08.18 10:28:00 -
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Vas Vadum wrote:Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris, you skipped the 13 questions at the end. :P Akrasjel Lanate, you also skipped the questions. :P cerbus wrote:Please note the survey at the bottom of my signature :) I did the survey. It is much better than my idea. Probably more successful. I was tired when typing out everything (like I still am) and didn't notice there was another much more detailed idea. The issue is, if something is complex, CCP may not ever do it. Your idea looks very complex. Mine was a bit more simple though it would still require the CCP artists to do a bit of work copying DDS files and recoloring them. Anyhow. I prefer your idea, if it were to be accepted, but as my experience over the years with CCP, nothing gets recognition. At least nearly every single idea I've ever in my life posted here. Even the easy super simple ones.
They don't need to colour the .dds files, this is done with a shader.
It is quite easy to change the colours of a ship :)
FYI: To change the colours and look of a ship (and not adding any new textures) is on average 60,000bytes, and the load would be on the client's graphics card, not the eve servers.
Regarding the complexity, this is Eve we are talking about, and the questions are all relevant :)
Give me a month or so and we should have our ship painter ready you can have a look at how it works.
Ship Customisation Survey - www.tinyurl.com/cppcsurvey
Eve 3d Modelling Resources - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=257193
500+ ships for you to spin in your browser at work - http://eohgames.com/labs |
Lephia DeGrande
Luxembourg Space Union
37
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Posted - 2013.08.18 10:35:00 -
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I want that Luke Skywaker Lightsaber blue but not that from the digital remasterd Version, no instead that one from the original 1977 Movie which have a Little brighter tone. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1127
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Posted - 2013.08.18 12:22:00 -
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Yes to pink pony ships.
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Trii Seo
Sabotage Incorporated
Executive Outcomes
88
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Posted - 2013.08.18 12:46:00 -
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Having looked at map files + .black files, channels in pgs.dds serve to apply primary/secondary colour. There's one per pattern, so it's actually pretty easy to customize a ship this way if you do it outside of the game.
I guess the main issue now would be manpower, with most of CCP's people working on some important things like balance/technical issues the game still has.
Either way, of course I support this, maybe even define a corp colour scheme so that all ships get this paintjob by default without extra cost.
Is it Hotdrop O'Clock yet? |
Egravant Alduin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2013.08.18 13:14:00 -
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Many times suggested from me and others and of course it would make EVE more great.Ilike it. |
Vas Vadum
PH0ENIX COMPANY
Tribal Band
58
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Posted - 2013.08.18 20:00:00 -
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cerbus wrote:Vas Vadum wrote:Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris, you skipped the 13 questions at the end. :P Akrasjel Lanate, you also skipped the questions. :P cerbus wrote:Please note the survey at the bottom of my signature :) I did the survey. It is much better than my idea. Probably more successful. I was tired when typing out everything (like I still am) and didn't notice there was another much more detailed idea. The issue is, if something is complex, CCP may not ever do it. Your idea looks very complex. Mine was a bit more simple though it would still require the CCP artists to do a bit of work copying DDS files and recoloring them. Anyhow. I prefer your idea, if it were to be accepted, but as my experience over the years with CCP, nothing gets recognition. At least nearly every single idea I've ever in my life posted here. Even the easy super simple ones. They don't need to colour the .dds files, this is done with a shader. It is quite easy to change the colours of a ship :) FYI: To change the colours and look of a ship (and not adding any new textures) is on average 60,000bytes, and the load would be on the client's graphics card, not the eve servers. Regarding the complexity, this is Eve we are talking about, and the questions are all relevant :) Give me a month or so and we should have our ship painter ready you can have a look at how it works.
Curious though. What happens when there are 100 ships in a system painted up using this method? Or 300 ships? Or you're at Jita undock? I believe DDS files may be less load than telling the graphics card to do 100% of the work. Then again I know now that your method would be easier and more likely what CCP does since it is easier.
By the way, one of the images in your survey has some extra slots with 5 people in it.
http://s154.photobucket.com/user/MrOosterman/media/shipcrew_draft.jpg.html
What is that about out of curiosity? I rather like this method of coloring the ship, having color canisters in the slots in the side. |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
123
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Posted - 2013.08.18 23:30:00 -
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Anyone that runs a Hello Kitty paint scheme should be a free kill activation. |
Vas Vadum
PH0ENIX COMPANY
Tribal Band
60
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Posted - 2013.08.18 23:57:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Anyone that runs a Hello Kitty paint scheme should be a free kill activation.
That wouldn't be possible. Concord would find them before they manage to warp away from the station. |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
339
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Posted - 2013.10.17 05:03:00 -
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*Bump* ... when can we start looking at some personalization/customization options for our ships? The NeX store is essentially dead, and this would be a perfect edition for AUR.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
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