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Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3474	Posted - 2013.08.20 10:45:00 - [1] - Quote Eugene Kerner wrote: baltec1 wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: Still plenty of afk ice miners, I see. We should give them a little poke to see if they are awake. why do you waste so many catalysts on Orcas when half of them could do the job?...or 2 orcas could get ganked simultaneously? It's a further insult to all the freighter pilots we've killed, since their laziness paid for all of those Catalysts. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3476	Posted - 2013.08.20 21:32:00 - [2] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Morrigan LeSante wrote: Came to the thread looking for miner tears. Left disappointed Give it a week before we get a good one. Right now its just the grr goon brigade. We've had some nice stuff in local after a gank, usually when the victim returns to the keyboard. Also that Tornado... The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3476	Posted - 2013.08.20 23:21:00 - [3] - Quote Captain Tardbar wrote: Andski wrote: Murk Paradox wrote: That's untrue. Miners RISK losing their ships. They MIGHT get blown up. With suicide gankers there is no "might" unless there is no target. IF they do their job poorly, or well, they will still get blown up. Concord can no longer be tanked or avoided unfortunately. There's also the risk of nothing of value being dropped in a hauler gank. You also risk your looting ship being blown up, even moreso now that you have suspect flags for looting wrecks. There's also the risk of getting your hauler alt suicide ganked on the way to Jita while moving the loot. Anybody who says this is "risk-free" is just posting fanfic. In the case of miner ganking, how can one argue that it's "risk-free" when you inherently operate at a loss when doing this? Even if it's sponsored by somebody else, somebody is taking a loss unless the secondary effects (i.e. the supply constraint and speculators driving the price of ice and isotopes up) outweigh that loss. Its not really risk. Its the "cost of doing business". So is losing a mining ship in highsec. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3476	Posted - 2013.08.21 00:23:00 - [4] - Quote Captain Tardbar wrote: Dictionary.com defines risk as "exposure to the chance of injury or loss; a hazard or dangerous chance" I bolded the word "chance" so you know that risk requires a chance which assumes possible survivability. When death or destructionis 100% guaranteed, then there is no risk, because it is outcome that has no chance of survivability. As has been explained, ship loss isn't the only factor that we have to take in to account for suicide ganking. There are plenty of things left to chance. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3477	Posted - 2013.08.21 05:51:00 - [5] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: S Byerley wrote: Tippia wrote: As always, risk = cost +ù probability. Just because the probability is 1 doesn't mean it's not a risk GÇö it just means that the risk is so hight that it has the same value as the cost. Too lazy to read the entirety; are you still arguing that suicide cats (which work out to about the isk/hour of BS ammo) are inherently risky? Like most people, I tend not to factor ammo costs into my risk assessment. You are correct. When suicide ganking the ship is the expendable ammo. A risk is not a risk if the outcome is certain. A risk requires an element of chance. So there is no risk in ganking. Just expenditure. There is the risk that some or all of the shots could miss. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3478	Posted - 2013.08.21 05:55:00 - [6] - Quote Spectatoress wrote: baltec1 wrote: Morrigan LeSante wrote: Came to the thread looking for miner tears. Left disappointed Give it a week before we get a good one. Right now its just the grr goon brigade. Oh, at this time your comrades get disappointed that near no one cares about their doing besides some babbling in local that they continue to open threads with highsec-alts where you/they can post with their goon-twinks about "farming tears from pubbies" desperately looking for e-fame for zerging despite being the incompetent player they are that need afk-targets to polish their kb? Thanks for caring. I'll be sure to remember that you care each time I gank something during this interdiction. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3478	Posted - 2013.08.21 07:14:00 - [7] - Quote S Byerley wrote: How bout I include it, but not as a risk because it's not a risk? Kinda like I already said. Or you could just continue ignoring the points that poke glaring holes in your argument. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3480	Posted - 2013.08.22 04:56:00 - [8] - Quote Murk Paradox wrote: Mallak Azaria wrote: Captain Tardbar wrote: Dictionary.com defines risk as "exposure to the chance of injury or loss; a hazard or dangerous chance" I bolded the word "chance" so you know that risk requires a chance which assumes possible survivability. When death or destructionis 100% guaranteed, then there is no risk, because it is outcome that has no chance of survivability. As has been explained, ship loss isn't the only factor that we have to take in to account for suicide ganking. There are plenty of things left to chance. You're trying to pidgeon-hole the definition of risk in to 'ship loss only'. Let's break it down. When you fire your gun, you don't risk losing a bullet. You know it's going to fire, you know it's going to leave, you know you're going to lose it. Not really much pidgeon holing there. No need to over complicate things. You take a ship out with full intention of not coming back in it. Now, you DO risk coming back poorer, because you might not make a profit. But that doesn't equate to the act of suicide ganking and that would be pidgeon holing the situation. So yea, let's not pidgeon hole the fact you know it's going to be loss, not risk. So you are saying that everytime I suicide gank someone I know for a fact that I will not profit from it? Think about what you're saying there. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3489	Posted - 2013.08.23 19:47:00 - [9] - Quote Captain Tardbar wrote: But seriously. The average risk is less than 1%. Which means its basically non-existant. Because no one has ever thought of scooping the loot before the ganker does. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3489	Posted - 2013.08.23 19:50:00 - [10] - Quote Captain Tardbar wrote: baltec1 wrote: Captain Tardbar wrote: But seriously. The average risk is less than 1%. Which means its basically non-existant. There is over a 50% chance of nothing at all dropping. This alone is a fair bit higher than 1% no? The dude is killing ventures with a thrasher. I don't think loot is part of the equation. And he says he doesn't care about the money. And on the other end of the spectrum, the guys suicide ganking freighters for profit actually care about the money. Once again, attempting to pidgeon-hole suicide ganking in to singular acts. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3499	Posted - 2013.08.24 17:13:00 - [11] - Quote Captain Tardbar wrote: And when I see Goons kill miners there is no one there to get the loot usually. I sat for 15 minutes and watched a freighter wreck and no one bothered to loot it because it was probaly a pain to haul 500 units of ice. Name & shame. Standing orders are to destroy the wreck. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3499	Posted - 2013.08.24 17:19:00 - [12] - Quote Murk Paradox wrote: Frostys Virpio wrote: Kicking your boss in the junk is riskless because you know you will lose your job. Posting on the forum is riskless because you know you will get trolled anyway. That's ********. That's exactly what you're saying about suicide ganking. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3499	Posted - 2013.08.24 17:36:00 - [13] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: i regard you as the eve-o equivalent of the facebook friend we never unfriend because their car crash of a life periodically popping up on your news feed makes you feel better about yourself. Two Worlds. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3499	Posted - 2013.08.24 17:38:00 - [14] - Quote Murk Paradox wrote: Mallak Azaria wrote: Captain Tardbar wrote: And when I see Goons kill miners there is no one there to get the loot usually. I sat for 15 minutes and watched a freighter wreck and no one bothered to loot it because it was probaly a pain to haul 500 units of ice. Name & shame. Standing orders are to destroy the wreck. Wait, you mean Goons aren't suicide ganking for profit? Maybe you and baltec need to get your stories straight. We are, that's the point of destroying dirty highsec ice. Why would we risk a freighter to pick up the ice when we can just blow it up? The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3499	Posted - 2013.08.24 17:48:00 - [15] - Quote Murk Paradox wrote: Mallak Azaria wrote: Murk Paradox wrote: Mallak Azaria wrote: Captain Tardbar wrote: And when I see Goons kill miners there is no one there to get the loot usually. I sat for 15 minutes and watched a freighter wreck and no one bothered to loot it because it was probaly a pain to haul 500 units of ice. Name & shame. Standing orders are to destroy the wreck. Wait, you mean Goons aren't suicide ganking for profit? Maybe you and baltec need to get your stories straight. We are, that's the point of destroying dirty highsec ice. Why would we risk a freighter to pick up the ice when we can just blow it up? Wheres the profit in the destruction of? That's exactly like asking how we profit from ice interdictions. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3499	Posted - 2013.08.24 18:01:00 - [16] - Quote Murk Paradox wrote: Mallak Azaria wrote: That's exactly like asking how we profit from ice interdictions. "Like"... uh, you second guess people a lot don't you? It's a pretty straight forward question. It was a pretty straight forward answer. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3499	Posted - 2013.08.24 18:40:00 - [17] - Quote Murk Paradox wrote: Mallak Azaria wrote: Murk Paradox wrote: Mallak Azaria wrote: That's exactly like asking how we profit from ice interdictions. "Like"... uh, you second guess people a lot don't you? It's a pretty straight forward question. It was a pretty straight forward answer. But you didn't answer. The answer was in the statement, but apparently you missed it. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3503	Posted - 2013.08.26 17:31:00 - [18] - Quote Captain Tardbar wrote: Well there is an orca in Osmon right now so I suppose the interdiction has ended. The 18 Orca's we've killed in 2 days disagree but by all means please encourage people to keep bring out their Orca's, harpooning them is my speciality. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3505	Posted - 2013.08.27 07:58:00 - [19] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Mallak Azaria wrote: Captain Tardbar wrote: Well there is an orca in Osmon right now so I suppose the interdiction has ended. The 18 Orca's we've killed in 2 days disagree but by all means please encourage people to keep bring out their Orca's, harpooning them is my speciality. I take it they are too idiot to hang a Damage Control amirite ? I'll bet ISK. Most of them yes, but if I get enough guys in fleet a Damage Control is no deterrent. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3506	Posted - 2013.08.27 17:45:00 - [20] - Quote Captain Tardbar wrote: Oh. I found this nice article... About the the interiction. http://evenews24.com/2013/08/20/greedy-goblin-the-fall-of-miniluv/ Yeah, apparently we're broke or something. The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are.