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Caprice Insidious
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.08.19 14:20:00 -
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I was wondering if anyone had tried doing something like this? My plan is to make three trial accounts and try to make enough plex to play the accounts for free. I have a full version already, but I'm currently skilling characters up and have nothing more to do really than wait for them to level up.
My thought was first training Cybernetics I, add +3 implants to charisma, willpower and memory, and then train Frigate III, Destroyer III, Cruiser I, Targeting I, Industry I, Small Hybrid Turret I, Hull Upgrades I, Afterburners I, Rapid Fire I, Controlled Brust I, Sharpshooter I and Motion Prediction I. After this I remap to Willpower 10 and Charisma 4 and train Trade IV, Retail IV, and Broker Relations IV. Then I remap to Charisma 10 and Memory 4 and train Social IV, Accounting IV, and Margin Trading IV. With my calculations this should take about five days.
After training social IV, I'll begin to do Career Missions for the six career agents giving standings to my race, and afterwards I'll do the Sisters of Eve Arc for higher standings. I can fit ships with help from my full account. I have three computers and can play all trials simultaneously, making mission running fairly less boring with multi-tasking.
After this, I'll put each of my alts in their respective hub and start trade hub trading with cargo that fit into cruisers. I have no experience trade hub trading, but with about 70 million ISK each, I should probably get things going, and I can do it with three accounts simultaneously, making travel less tedious.
So, would this be possible? With training skills taking up 5 days of a 21-day trial, will it be possible to make enough ISK paying for three PLEX?
Or am I just ********? |

Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1347
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Posted - 2013.08.19 14:40:00 -
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the answer to your question depends on whether or not you have a life.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |

Caprice Insidious
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.08.19 14:47:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:the answer to your question depends on whether or not you have a life.
That's a complicated question. Yes, I do, and I have much more important things to do than playing Eve Online.
But I guess that's the main reason I play Eve Online. |

Scarlett LaBlanc
Midnight Savran Industries
65
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Posted - 2013.08.19 14:52:00 -
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I had a guy apply to my corp who was trying to do the same thing.
On a 21 day trial he was going to station trade and plex the account with only the 5,000 starting ISK as seed money.
While 26 million a day is doable, with no skills and no starting capital I don't see have it can be done.
Last time he checked in with me he was almost 200 million short with two days to go. |

arabella blood
I Swear She Looked 18
110
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Posted - 2013.08.19 14:52:00 -
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If the point is to test/prove whether its possible to plex an account during trial with station/hub trading, then i think you are doing it wrong. |

Invictra Atreides
Toward the Terra
134
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Posted - 2013.08.19 14:53:00 -
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You would need money to make money. I don't think it's possible in those 21 days.
I once made a 21 Trial +PLEX (51 day full acc) and tried to make enough money for PLEX in HiSec doing only PI. Was actualy not that much work and it did work.
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Caprice Insidious
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.08.19 14:58:00 -
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Invictra Atreides wrote:You would need money to make money. I don't think it's possible in those 21 days.
I once made a 21 Trial +PLEX (51 day full acc) and tried to make enough money for PLEX in HiSec doing only PI. Was actualy not that much work and it did work.
Yeah, but then I need to have a PLEX. You can't do PI with trials.
Scarlett LaBlanc wrote:I had a guy apply to my corp who was trying to do the same thing.
On a 21 day trial he was going to station trade and plex the account with only the 5,000 starting ISK as seed money.
While 26 million a day is doable, with no skills and no starting capital I don't see have it can be done.
Last time he checked in with me he was almost 200 million short with two days to go.
With doing missions for the six friendly career agents and sister's of eve arc I should have about 70 mill ISK per character.
arabella blood wrote:If the point is to test/prove whether its possible to plex an account during trial with station/hub trading, then i think you are doing it wrong.
You do? Why? Please elaborate your statements, I feel so confused. |

LittleTerror
Illuminated Foundation Trust
97
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Posted - 2013.08.19 15:37:00 -
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OP, don't attempt what you're planning if you already have a full account, you will literally break your self trying, and it will be a waste of time. In the end you might actually succeed in plexing all 3 accounts but they will have zero isk because you would have spent it on plex, and then you would have to repeat the whole thing again over the next 30 days, just to keep those accounts active.
It would be better to focus on your main account first, build up your wealth and then plex a new account.
Honestly a better idea would be to inject some starting isk to a new 21 day trial account, place your new alt in a hub separate from your main characters location and just start station trading. After 20 days cover any shortfall with your main to plex that account. |

Caprice Insidious
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.08.19 15:53:00 -
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LittleTerror wrote:OP, don't attempt what you're planning if you already have a full account, you will literally break your self trying, and it will be a waste of time. In the end you might actually succeed in plexing all 3 accounts but they will have zero isk because you would have spent it on plex, and then you would have to repeat the whole thing again over the next 30 days, just to keep those accounts active.
It would be better to focus on your main account first, build up your wealth and then plex a new account.
Honestly a better idea would be to inject some starting isk to a new 21 day trial account, place your new alt in a hub separate from your main characters location and just start station trading. After 20 days cover any shortfall with your main to plex that account.
Yeah, I should've tried before I had a full account. I kind of got the inspiration from all the newbies trying to mine themselves to get PLEX, which is impossible. Trade hubbers can make about 100-200 mill ISK an hour I've read, so I thought I'd be possible, even with just level IV Accounting and Broker Relations, not top standing, and just frigates, destroyers and cruisers. A lot of stuff like skill books doesn't take up much cargo space.
I guess it'd be more a proof of concept than anything else. Dogs lick their balls because they can. |

arabella blood
I Swear She Looked 18
110
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Posted - 2013.08.19 15:56:00 -
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Caprice Insidious wrote:arabella blood wrote:If the point is to test/prove whether its possible to plex an account during trial with station/hub trading, then i think you are doing it wrong. You do? Why? Please elaborate your statements, I feel so confused.
Because you plan "cheating" with cash injections from your main and doing missions...
But i do think its possible to plex 1 account. It all depends on the skill plan, items you choose, amount of orders and most important is how much time can be spent on this.
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arabella blood
I Swear She Looked 18
110
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Posted - 2013.08.19 15:57:00 -
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Caprice Insidious wrote:. Trade hubbers can make about 100-200 mill ISK an hour I've read
Numbers like that require some capital, can't do it with 5k isk you get on day 1 
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Caprice Insidious
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.08.19 16:08:00 -
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arabella blood wrote:Caprice Insidious wrote:arabella blood wrote:If the point is to test/prove whether its possible to plex an account during trial with station/hub trading, then i think you are doing it wrong. You do? Why? Please elaborate your statements, I feel so confused. Because you plan "cheating" with cash injections from your main and doing missions... But i do think its possible to plex 1 account. It all depends on the skill plan, items you choose, amount of orders and most important is how much time can be spent on this.
It isn't that much cheating, I'd only save a day or something like that by getting implants from main.
arabella blood wrote:Caprice Insidious wrote:. Trade hubbers can make about 100-200 mill ISK an hour I've read Numbers like that require some capital, can't do it with 5k isk you get on day 1 
My aim wasn't just to trade hub without doing missions and making some starting capital, as the missions will give me standing increase so my taxes decreases. You'll need that standing for a trade hub alt even on a full account.
Doing the career missions would take about 12 hours, sister's of eve arc three I guess. Then after that it's just plain trade hubbing like full accounts do, just without volume. But like I mentioned earlier, there are lucrative trade goods to ship around in just frigates, destroyers and cruisers.
I think my strategy would work. I need to find someone to try it out. |

LittleTerror
Illuminated Foundation Trust
97
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Posted - 2013.08.19 16:20:00 -
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Caprice Insidious wrote:LittleTerror wrote:OP, don't attempt what you're planning if you already have a full account, you will literally break your self trying, and it will be a waste of time. In the end you might actually succeed in plexing all 3 accounts but they will have zero isk because you would have spent it on plex, and then you would have to repeat the whole thing again over the next 30 days, just to keep those accounts active.
It would be better to focus on your main account first, build up your wealth and then plex a new account.
Honestly a better idea would be to inject some starting isk to a new 21 day trial account, place your new alt in a hub separate from your main characters location and just start station trading. After 20 days cover any shortfall with your main to plex that account. Yeah, I should've tried before I had a full account. I kind of got the inspiration from all the newbies trying to mine themselves to get PLEX, which is impossible. Trade hubbers can make about 100-200 mill ISK an hour I've read, so I thought I'd be possible, even with just level IV Accounting and Broker Relations, not top standing, and just frigates, destroyers and cruisers. A lot of stuff like skill books doesn't take up much cargo space. I guess it'd be more a proof of concept than anything else. Dogs lick their balls because they can.
Well consider the more isk you have, the more isk you can make rule, if you only had 100 mil you could possibly make another 70 - 100 mil in one day but you would have to be at your computer updating orders constantly for hours and hours at about 10 mil per hour. This is just not very fun at all, and you'd burn your self out long before you could make enough isk to plex your account but if you had 1 billion isk to start out with, you could make 100 mil easy with just an hour of updating per day at 10%, so in 5 days you should easily have enough to plex that account or a new account.
The amount of isk you have will determine your trading strategy , some one with over 10 billion isn't going to be updating their orders more than say 2 times a day even in a hub like jita and they would be updating during peak hours. They could still make 1 billion per day with very little effort.
If you can't plex 3 new accounts right now, then you don't need those new accounts... I once read a thread http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=671675 old forums... I believe this dude had 20 billion, he only needed to update once per day to make 1 billion isk each day, that sure is motivating but to be honest most people give up long before because of the amount of effort one has to put into trading to get off the ground.
So your plan to start 3 trial accounts with only 5k starting isk... I'm sorry but It will only lead to self loathing, and a burn out that will probably last 1 week, unless you're a robot or something  |

arabella blood
I Swear She Looked 18
110
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Posted - 2013.08.19 16:22:00 -
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Caprice Insidious wrote: You'll need that standing for a trade hub alt even on a full account..
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True in most cases, False in your specific one. It is important, But not when trying to plex a 21 days trial account, it a waste of time. If you want it so much data-centers can be your solution, but again its a waste of time for a pity reward.
Caprice Insidious wrote:Doing the career missions would take about 12 hours, sister's of eve arc three I guess. Then after that it's just plain trade hubbing like full accounts do, just without volume. But like I mentioned earlier, there are lucrative trade goods to ship around in just frigates, destroyers and cruisers.
If you plan to do that then call it by name? trading with my missioning and help from my alt to by ship fits and implants.
Besides, doing the "hub trading" is bad plan. Its risky to fly stuff in frigates , and its also a waste of time. what you need to do is HFT the mother of it with as much orders as you can.
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Rengerel en Distel
1783
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Posted - 2013.08.19 16:34:00 -
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I'd just like to know what fits you're using to do the sisters of eve arc in 3 hours.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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Careby
Careby Exploration
15
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Posted - 2013.08.19 16:36:00 -
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Caprice Insidious wrote:...I kind of got the inspiration from all the newbies trying to mine themselves to get PLEX, which is impossible... While I avoid mining myself, and don't generally recommend it to others, plexing a new account by mining is not impossible.
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Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
377
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Posted - 2013.08.19 16:37:00 -
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It should be doable.
I usually whack my new alts into Jita out of the tutorials, cos I hate missions, and I cba with standing.
The first 20-50m I get by doing meta items, then move to say, T2 modules, then around 150m I start throwing a few faction/T2 ships into the mix.
the first 100m seems to take forever to get, and you never seem to have enough orders, but, around the 200m mark, I tend to find I need fewer and fewer orders, as you settle into items.
1b is doable in a month from the tutorial isk, so, 500m in the first 21d should be achievable.
After the first month, you are ofc, not working with 0 isk, so it gets easier. |

Caprice Insidious
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.08.19 16:43:00 -
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Careby wrote:Caprice Insidious wrote:...I kind of got the inspiration from all the newbies trying to mine themselves to get PLEX, which is impossible... While I avoid mining myself, and don't generally recommend it to others, plexing a new account by mining is not impossible.
With trial accounts you can only use venture, and a cargo of scordite with venture is worth about 1 mill, so you'll have to do 550 runs with venture to get a plex.
So no, it's not impossible. You'll probably be done in about 200 hours I guess.
Rengerel en Distel wrote:I'd just like to know what fits you're using to do the sisters of eve arc in 3 hours.
I probably underestimated a little, but still you can do it pretty quickly with long ranged railguns.
Rhivre wrote:It should be doable.
I usually whack my new alts into Jita out of the tutorials, cos I hate missions, and I cba with standing.
The first 20-50m I get by doing meta items, then move to say, T2 modules, then around 150m I start throwing a few faction/T2 ships into the mix.
the first 100m seems to take forever to get, and you never seem to have enough orders, but, around the 200m mark, I tend to find I need fewer and fewer orders, as you settle into items.
1b is doable in a month from the tutorial isk, so, 500m in the first 21d should be achievable.
After the first month, you are ofc, not working with 0 isk, so it gets easier.
And if you do missions and get 70 mill ISK head start, it's even more probable.
Newbs should try this out instead of mining theirself to death. |

arabella blood
I Swear She Looked 18
110
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Posted - 2013.08.19 16:48:00 -
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Its useless...go ask Gevlon Goblin how to do missions then...
The missioning forums is somewhere there ------>>> |

Caprice Insidious
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.08.19 16:52:00 -
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arabella blood wrote:Its useless...go ask Gevlon Goblin how to do missions then...  The missioning forums is somewhere there ------>>>
It was him that gave me the idea.
http://greedygoblin.blogspot.no/p/newbie-guide-for-riches-in-eve.html |

arabella blood
I Swear She Looked 18
110
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Posted - 2013.08.19 16:56:00 -
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Allow me to laugh at you both then? I think its only fair  
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Caprice Insidious
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.08.19 17:05:00 -
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arabella blood wrote:Allow me to laugh at you both then? I think its only fair  
To be honest, I don't think you should be laughing at anyone.. |

arabella blood
I Swear She Looked 18
110
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Posted - 2013.08.19 17:14:00 -
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Caprice Insidious wrote:arabella blood wrote:Allow me to laugh at you both then? I think its only fair   To be honest, I don't think you should be laughing at anyone..
Ill go mourn human intelligence then...good luck with your plan.  |

Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
377
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Posted - 2013.08.19 17:34:00 -
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Caprice Insidious wrote:
And if you do missions and get 70 mill ISK head start, it's even more probable.
Newbs should try this out instead of mining theirself to death.
Time to get 70m from missions?
cos I am currently getting 57k + 69k bonus from L2s, with the advantage of having a T2 fitted cruiser to burn through them.
I make 70,000,000 / (57,000 + 69,000) = 555.555 missions.
Of course, you can step up to L3s, but then you have to factor in the cost of buying a ship and fittings, which a trader does not have to worry about.
Yes, you can do distribution missions, but, you need a combat ship for L1s while getting standing.
My L1 fresh out the box combat mission runner is getting 40k + 55k.
Maybe a brand new alt with no assistance can get 70m isk for trading via missioning faster than via trading, still leaving enough time to get a plex within the first 21 days. I would maybe split it between your 3 chars, get one to mine for 21 days, get one to mission, and get one to trade.
I am doing a similar thing (not related to trading, but to testing various things for comparison), and its quite fun to see how it goes.
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Caprice Insidious
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.08.19 17:49:00 -
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Rhivre wrote:Caprice Insidious wrote:
And if you do missions and get 70 mill ISK head start, it's even more probable.
Newbs should try this out instead of mining theirself to death.
Time to get 70m from missions? cos I am currently getting 57k + 69k bonus from L2s, with the advantage of having a T2 fitted cruiser to burn through them. I make 70,000,000 / (57,000 + 69,000) = 555.555 missions. Of course, you can step up to L3s, but then you have to factor in the cost of buying a ship and fittings, which a trader does not have to worry about. Yes, you can do distribution missions, but, you need a combat ship for L1s while getting standing. My L1 fresh out the box combat mission runner is getting 40k + 55k. Maybe a brand new alt with no assistance can get 70m isk for trading via missioning faster than via trading, still leaving enough time to get a plex within the first 21 days. I would maybe split it between your 3 chars, get one to mine for 21 days, get one to mission, and get one to trade. I am doing a similar thing (not related to trading, but to testing various things for comparison), and its quite fun to see how it goes.
Doing the career missions (Business, Industrial, Military, Advanced Military, Exploration) net you about 10 mill. You can do the career missions at all the starter systems. For a Caldari, doing the three career path for Caldari and the three career paths for Amarr will net you a total of 60 mill. You get about 10 mill for Sisters of Eve Arc. For the grand total of 70 mill. All these give you standing as well.
And you can do the missions real quickly with good fits like long ranged railguns with iron charges.
Trials can't do L3 missions. |

The Greenmachine Greenmachine
Green's Bicycle Shop
31
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Posted - 2013.08.19 17:51:00 -
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If a new player to the game wanted to play the game for free and never spend a cent, all he has to do is the following... Get an account (14 day works). Figure out what station trading is. Do not feel rushed and trade when you have a chance during the day. Lets say you get 100mil in those 14 days. Well, now make a new trial account and you will have to move the isk to that account using an unique method because you cant isk transfer. I don't think contracts work but trade might. BUT if trade doesn't work all they you have to do is find somebody in your corp who you can just give your stuff to them on the 1st account and just get the stuff back from them on your 2nd account. It's quite easy. |

The Greenmachine Greenmachine
Green's Bicycle Shop
31
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Posted - 2013.08.19 17:54:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:the answer to your question depends on whether or not you have a life.
and btw this statement is horribly wrong. you can use trial alts to make enough with all the time you need. 10 minutes a day? You humor me.  |

Caprice Insidious
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.08.19 18:04:00 -
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The Greenmachine Greenmachine wrote:If a new player to the game wanted to play the game for free and never spend a cent, all he has to do is the following... Get an account (14 day works). Figure out what station trading is. Do not feel rushed and trade when you have a chance during the day. Lets say you get 100mil in those 14 days. Well, now make a new trial account and you will have to move the isk to that account using an unique method because you cant isk transfer. I don't think contracts work but trade might. BUT if trade doesn't work all they you have to do is find somebody in your corp who you can just give your stuff to them on the 1st account and just get the stuff back from them on your 2nd account. It's quite easy.
You can trade with trial accounts, but not give money. So you only have to give away trade goods instead.
Yeah, I guess this is possible. I even don't have to do it through corps because I have multiple machines.
I think I'm just going to make money with my main and make some buddy alt trading accounts when/if I gain enough ISK, since that appears to be easier. But I kind of wanted to see if it would be possible. |

Invictra Atreides
Toward the Terra
134
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Posted - 2013.08.19 18:50:00 -
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Caprice Insidious wrote:The Greenmachine Greenmachine wrote:If a new player to the game wanted to play the game for free and never spend a cent, all he has to do is the following... Get an account (14 day works). Figure out what station trading is. Do not feel rushed and trade when you have a chance during the day. Lets say you get 100mil in those 14 days. Well, now make a new trial account and you will have to move the isk to that account using an unique method because you cant isk transfer. I don't think contracts work but trade might. BUT if trade doesn't work all they you have to do is find somebody in your corp who you can just give your stuff to them on the 1st account and just get the stuff back from them on your 2nd account. It's quite easy. You can trade with trial accounts, but not give money. So you only have to give away trade goods instead. Yeah, I guess this is possible. I even don't have to do it through corps because I have multiple machines. I think I'm just going to make money with my main and make some buddy alt trading accounts when/if I gain enough ISK, since that appears to be easier. But I kind of wanted to see if it would be possible. Use the old Windows trick to run multiple Trial Accounts on one PC. Works like a charm. Blog |-áTutorials | Youtube "I donGÇÖt know everything, I just know what I know." |

Thur Barbek
Republic University Minmatar Republic
162
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Posted - 2013.08.19 19:32:00 -
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Without at least 5m or 10m isk to start it will be really hard to grow your funds imo.
While possible to earn a plex in 21 days from nothing... a much more obtainable goal would be to just pay the 1st month. After 51 day (month + 21 day trial) your skills and cash should be enough to make a monthly plex if your decent at the market.
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