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Malkor Amphal Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.08.19 20:51:00 - [1] - Quote Allright, so i have a dilemma that hopefully some more experienced players can assist me with. I am attempting to locate a good tank fit for an orca that doesn't sacrifice too much cargo space. I would like to keep at least 1 expanded cargo hold and perhaps use a DCUII in it's place however that is not set in stone. Per the general populations collective opinion which of the following fits would seem like the best to use for hi sec mining ops? should i just say balls to EHP and focus on cargo capacity? or look into decent EHP fits? [Orca, Passive Shields] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Recharger II Shield Recharger II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement I Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization I Small Tractor Beam I Large Core Defense Field Purger I Large Core Defense Field Purger I Large Core Defense Field Purger I ________________________________________________ [Orca, Active Tank Orca] Expanded Cargohold II Damage Control II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement I Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization I Small Tractor Beam I Large Cargohold Optimization I Large Cargohold Optimization I Large Cargohold Optimization I _________________________________________________ [Orca, cargo fit] Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Small Tractor Beam I Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement I Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization I Large Cargohold Optimization I Large Cargohold Optimization I Large Cargohold Optimization I

ISD LackOfFaith ISD Community Communications Liaisons 594	Posted - 2013.08.19 20:57:00 - [2] - Quote Depends on how much cargo you actually need. I'd advise against Shield Rechargers. If you're using it in hisec, the biggest danger is suicide ganks, which happen so fast that the rechargers are pretty much useless. So, it's between fit #2 and fit #3. I would personally pick #2, but I am a sucker for Damage Controls. I am also moving this thread to the Ships & Modules section, where it can reach people whose raison d'+¬tre is to critique fits. ISD LackOfFaith Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Alduin666 Shikkoken MIS Auxiliaries Kadeshians 13	Posted - 2013.08.19 20:58:00 - [3] - Quote Honestly I would go for a cargo fit. A group of gankers wouldn't have enough firepower to down you before concord shows up unless they are actually planning to gank you and not just some barge. In that case they would have enough firepower to take down any tank because they would assume you are tank fitted anyway. Unless your corporation has a "PvP/Security Wing" if an awoxer attacks you they are going to chew through your tank no matter what it is and because they will most likely point you, you can't get away anyway. Just my 2 ISK, I'm sure some people will have other opinions o7 and Fly Safe! Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead.
Daimon Kaiera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 381	Posted - 2013.08.19 20:58:00 - [4] - Quote When in doubt, civilian shield booster. .... . .-.. .--. / .. / .... .- ...- . / ..-. .- .-.. .-.. . -. / .- -. -.. / .. / -.-. .- -. -. --- - / --. . - / ..- .--. / ... - --- .--. - .... .. ... / ... .. --. -. .- - ..- .-. . / .. -.. . .- / .. ... / -. --- - / ... - --- .-.. . -. / ... - --- .--.
Ersahi Kir The Eminence Front SpaceMonkey's Alliance 313	Posted - 2013.08.19 21:11:00 - [5] - Quote If you don't fit a damage control II to your orca you're begging to be ganked. The second low in belt should either be a reinforced bulkhead for more EHP, or a powergrid rig so you can fit a GTFO align MWD. I really can't think of a situation where you should ever fit a cargo expander low mod to an orca.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 16131	Posted - 2013.08.19 22:35:00 - [6] - Quote All of your suggestions are pretty bad. Never fit any kind of cargo expansion on an Orca, because it eats into your greatest asset: your massive hull. Never fit a ship for passive shield tanking unless you intend to sit in the middle of L4s and run them with some kind of AFK setup. There is only one Orca fit. [Orca, Orca fit] Damage Control II Reinforced Bulkheads II Survey Scanner II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization II Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement II Small Tractor Beam II Large Ancillary Current Router I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I For travel, offline the links and exchange the Survey Scanner for a 100MN MWD (hence the ACR rig). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.
Ersahi Kir The Eminence Front SpaceMonkey's Alliance 314	Posted - 2013.08.19 22:45:00 - [7] - Quote Tippia wrote: All of your suggestions are pretty bad. Never fit any kind of cargo expansion on an Orca, because it eats into your greatest asset: your massive hull. Never fit a ship for passive shield tanking unless you intend to sit in the middle of L4s and run them with some kind of AFK setup. There is only one Orca fit. [Orca, Orca fit] Damage Control II Reinforced Bulkheads II Survey Scanner II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization II Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement II Small Tractor Beam II Large Ancillary Current Router I Large Core Defense Field Extender I Large Core Defense Field Extender I For travel, offline the links and exchange the Survey Scanner for a 100MN MWD (hence the ACR rig). Lies! You can easily replace the tractor beam II with a shield harmonizing gang link II.
Marc Callan Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors 272	Posted - 2013.08.20 09:47:00 - [8] - Quote There are actually some possible variations on Tippia's Orca fit, depending on what sort of trouble you might be expecting. Whatever you do, the Large ACR, the Reinforced Bulkheads, and the Damage Control are the keys to a sturdy utility Orca. Swapping the EM Ward for a Thermic Dissipation Field will improve your survivability against gankers using blasters (the Brutix and Talos are probably the most likely ships a suicide-ganker gang will throw against an Orca), but will sacrifice EM resistance (EMP-loaded Tornadoes, laser boats). The CDFE rigs help improve your shield buffer, but if you need extra cargo space, you can give them up for Large Cargoholds Optimizations without crippling your tank (LCO's reduce your armor, not your structure, and the Orca's armor is pretty much an afterthought in any case). If you're willing to pay serious money, and have Industrial Command Ships IV, you can actually use Tech II LCO's, which will give you over 50K m3 of space (enough to carry a flat-packed battleship) while still approaching 240K EHP (overheating hardeners will push you over 250K EHP), and swapping the EM hardener for a thermal will crank up your resistance to blaster fire to 249K EHP (266K EHP overheated). "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á
MicDeath Titan Titans Guild 28	Posted - 2013.08.20 11:27:00 - [9] - Quote Tanked Orca is a free Willy. Cargo Orca is a free kill mail waiting to happen.
Kery Nysell Nysell Incorporated 74	Posted - 2013.08.20 18:31:00 - [10] - Quote I must be doing something wrong then, I've always fitted my Orca for max cargo, with a Survey Scanner and drone mod in the mids ... Of course, I'm a hisec Carebear by choice, I don't advertise my presence when I fleet-mine, and I usually have a corpmate or two on "guard duty" in combat ships ... Never been ganked in my Orca so far ... got podded once in my Noctis while doing a hauling trip, and got my Iteron V blown up on a return trip from Jita ... I might suggest combat drones / ECM drones and an ECM mod in the mids, plus some hull-tanking, if you're really needing a combat Orca ... As usual, the #1 Cardinal Rule of EvE applies : don't fly what you can't afford to lose ... My skills : Kery Nysell, Jestra Nysell, Kotoko Nysell, Kotone Nysell

Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 801	Posted - 2013.08.20 20:43:00 - [11] - Quote You need bulkheads, DCU, and active hardeners. Patch them holes boy. Anything else is just SCREAMING gank me. Eve is Real
Varrinox Igneus Vindicta 8	Posted - 2013.08.21 14:06:00 - [12] - Quote All the suggestions and OPs fits are bad so far for one reason. You want a tanky orca and you are not making use of the capabilities of the 2 x-l ancillary shield boosters it can fit. Highs - cycle time and range links + tractor beam Mids - 2 x-l asbs, shield boost amp and invul Lows - damage control and cargo Rigs - more cargo Pay attention and heat your mid slots when ur being tanked and u will be fine vs large ganks.
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 801	Posted - 2013.08.21 16:35:00 - [13] - Quote Varrinox wrote: All the suggestions and OPs fits are bad so far for one reason. You want a tanky orca and you are not making use of the capabilities of the 2 x-l ancillary shield boosters it can fit. Highs - cycle time and range links + tractor beam Mids - 2 x-l asbs, shield boost amp and invul Lows - damage control and cargo Rigs - more cargo Pay attention and heat your mid slots when ur being tanked and u will be fine vs large ganks. Its silly to try to use shield boosters Vs Alpha. That fit sucks. No bulkheads. Huge Em hole. 80k HP. No. Eve is Real
Varrinox Igneus Vindicta 8	Posted - 2013.08.21 17:43:00 - [14] - Quote The em hole is not that big dc II and heated invul cover that. As for ehp with dc orca gets over 150k. Most ganks on orcas are done using high dps blaster boats not raw alpha as that many tornadoes is expensive. And as for you thinking 2 x-l asbs are bad vs ganks. You clearly have never tried to break a heated dual asb tank. This orca, like any fit will die if someone really wants your blood or you have 9000 plex in cargo but for good tank and good cargo hold, which is what op asked for you will struggle to beat that. Next.
That Seems Legit State War Academy Caldari State 68	Posted - 2013.08.21 17:45:00 - [15] - Quote Varrinox wrote: All the suggestions and OPs fits are bad so far for one reason. You want a tanky orca and you are not making use of the capabilities of the 2 x-l ancillary shield boosters it can fit. Highs - cycle time and range links + tractor beam Mids - 2 x-l asbs, shield boost amp and invul Lows - damage control and cargo Rigs - more cargo Pay attention and heat your mid slots when ur being tanked and u will be fine vs large ganks. Doesnt understand how alpha works, gives advice anyways. OP a dc and bulkheads in your lows are mandatory for an orca tank. Most of its ehp lies in its hull. The rest of your slots depend on what youre using it for. Damns - you're ugly - and that's a compliment from me. -Large Collidable Object Seeking donations for facial reconstructive surgery, every little bit helps!
Marcos Boirelle Night Wulves 0	Posted - 2013.08.29 12:46:00 - [16] - Quote Ladies and Gentlemen, So I have read the entire post and it makes sense, all of it actually. First of all, if you want to haul and the cargo space of the Industrial Ships just aint enough and the Capital Freighters cost twice as much as the Orca + the Orca can haul Ore in the Cargo Hold, the Ore Hold and the Fleet Hangar, correct me if I am wrong? Say I want to stick to High Sec, no Low Sec or Null Sec Hauling and I want to maximize Cargo Capacity and foremost not use Autopilot...and secondly what are the cycle time and range links that were mentioned? Can you not unite on a fitting schematic that works for hauling but providing some kind of defense to survive a gank unless it is consisting of enough ships to blow you out of the sky independently on your defense and the speed of Concorde? Thanks for your help...
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1382	Posted - 2013.08.29 13:16:00 - [17] - Quote the best way to tank an orca is to not haul anything worth ganking. if you insist on hauling expensive stuff, a dcu, bulkheads, a power grid rig and 100mn mwd are your friends. "I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF
Marcos Boirelle Night Wulves 0	Posted - 2013.08.29 13:23:00 - [18] - Quote We are talking pure High Sec Ore hauling :)
Lusena Celimvor Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2013.08.29 13:29:00 - [19] - Quote Marcos Boirelle wrote: Ladies and Gentlemen, So I have read the entire post and it makes sense, all of it actually. First of all, if you want to haul and the cargo space of the Industrial Ships just aint enough and the Capital Freighters cost twice as much as the Orca + the Orca can haul Ore in the Cargo Hold, the Ore Hold and the Fleet Hangar, correct me if I am wrong? Say I want to stick to High Sec, no Low Sec or Null Sec Hauling and I want to maximize Cargo Capacity and foremost not use Autopilot...and secondly what are the cycle time and range links that were mentioned? Can you not unite on a fitting schematic that works for hauling but providing some kind of defense to survive a gank unless it is consisting of enough ships to blow you out of the sky independently on your defense and the speed of Concorde? Thanks for your help... Although I could quibble on some of it, Tippia's fit is the best one in this thread. If what you want to haul won't fit without going the max cargo route, make multiple trips.
Desivo Delta Visseroff The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.08.29 15:35:00 - [20] - Quote I also like Tippia's fit. The only point I would bring up, why only settle with Tech 1 rigs? If you are going to buy an 800+ mill for the hull, and you want to keep it safe (LOL), fit it right & go Tech 2. I hear miners are filthy rich.

Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1174	Posted - 2013.08.29 16:32:00 - [21] - Quote Malkor Amphal wrote: Allright, so i have a dilemma that hopefully some more experienced players can assist me with. I am attempting to locate a good tank fit for an orca that doesn't sacrifice too much cargo space. I would like to keep at least 1 expanded cargo hold and perhaps use a DCUII in it's place however that is not set in stone. Per the general populations collective opinion which of the following fits would seem like the best to use for hi sec mining ops? should i just say balls to EHP and focus on cargo capacity? or look into decent EHP fits? [Orca, Passive Shields] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Recharger II Shield Recharger II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement I Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization I Small Tractor Beam I Large Core Defense Field Purger I Large Core Defense Field Purger I Large Core Defense Field Purger I ________________________________________________ [Orca, Active Tank Orca] Expanded Cargohold II Damage Control II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement I Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization I Small Tractor Beam I Large Cargohold Optimization I Large Cargohold Optimization I Large Cargohold Optimization I _________________________________________________ [Orca, cargo fit] Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Small Tractor Beam I Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement I Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization I Large Cargohold Optimization I Large Cargohold Optimization I Large Cargohold Optimization I Eve being Eve I'd say you'd be better with a DCU II and T2 bulkhead in lows, shield extenders and a mwd in mids (1cycle mwd helps get in warp way faster) Yes you loose some cargo but there's no value in that cargo that equals +/- 240k EHP before links when it comes to suicide ganks or offer you some time for your friends to show up if war targets get on top of you. Doesn't mean you're safer, just means your ship has enough tank for someone to consider twice the effort he will have to put in to ruin your day or get his own ruined by his fault. You either choose maximum profit little effort or make someone unhappy because he will not consider you as a valid target. Just an opinion of course. removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne
hmskrecik TransMine Group German Information Network Alliance 101	Posted - 2013.08.29 16:40:00 - [22] - Quote There's another option: (shameless self-promotion) [Orca, Orca: Free Willy] Local Hull Conversion Inertial Stabilizers I Local Hull Conversion Inertial Stabilizers I Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I Caldari Navy Cloaking Device Empty Empty Large Ancillary Current Router I Large Low Friction Nozzle Joints II Large Low Friction Nozzle Joints II Instead of trying to survive gank, it's an attempt at not be ganked at all. With cloak+MWD the time window when you can be scanned and attacked is really small. I tested.
Marcos Boirelle Night Wulves 0	Posted - 2013.08.29 21:14:00 - [23] - Quote Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote: I also like Tippia's fit. The only point I would bring up, why only settle with Tech 1 rigs? If you are going to buy an 800+ mill for the hull, and you want to keep it safe (LOL), fit it right & go Tech 2. I hear miners are filthy rich. That is a lie But Tech 2 I was looking at anyway, why go cheap...
Marcos Boirelle Night Wulves 0	Posted - 2013.08.29 21:15:00 - [24] - Quote hmskrecik, unless they bubble but often do we see a bubble in High Sec at the Stargates?
hmskrecik TransMine Group German Information Network Alliance 102	Posted - 2013.08.29 21:36:00 - [25] - Quote Marcos Boirelle wrote: hmskrecik, unless they bubble but often do we see a bubble in High Sec at the Stargates? Well, if you have Orca bubbled it means things went terribly wrong on many levels. And frankly I'm not sure what your point is. I thought I explained why would you like to perform cloak+MWD even in hisec.
ashley Eoner 184	Posted - 2013.08.29 22:58:00 - [26] - Quote hmskrecik wrote: Marcos Boirelle wrote: hmskrecik, unless they bubble but often do we see a bubble in High Sec at the Stargates? Well, if you have Orca bubbled it means things went terribly wrong on many levels. And frankly I'm not sure what your point is. I thought I explained why would you like to perform cloak+MWD even in hisec. You're doing it wrong if you can't cloak/mwd with dcuII and bulkhead in lows. Bulkhead and DCUII in lows is a must especially with all the tornados being used to gank Orcas these days. 100mwd with 2x adaptive and an em field for mids Rigs are whatever you want/need. I run ancil a ccc and a shield extender since I do long trips and using the MWD for align/warp eats the cap hard after 15 or so jumps without a cap rig. Aside from the cloak/mwd trick you can be lazy and just cycle the mwd once when you click to warp. You'll warp off as soon as the cycle ends. Usually you'll barely even be seen in the process..
hmskrecik TransMine Group German Information Network Alliance 102	Posted - 2013.08.29 23:23:00 - [27] - Quote ashley Eoner wrote: hmskrecik wrote: Marcos Boirelle wrote: hmskrecik, unless they bubble but often do we see a bubble in High Sec at the Stargates? Well, if you have Orca bubbled it means things went terribly wrong on many levels. And frankly I'm not sure what your point is. I thought I explained why would you like to perform cloak+MWD even in hisec. You're doing it wrong if you can't cloak/mwd with dcuII and bulkhead in lows. Bulkhead and DCUII in lows is a must especially with all the tornados being used to gank Orcas these days. Ok, I see now. Yeah, I can perform cloak+mwd with bulkheads and dcuII BUT... even in best situations there was short interval after uncloaking and before entering warp. While my fit is a bit on extreme side, tests indicate that at least 2, or better 3, inertia upgrades are needed to make those two events happen close enough to prevent target locking of such Orca.
Marcos Boirelle Night Wulves 0	Posted - 2013.08.30 04:57:00 - [28] - Quote hmskrecik wrote: ashley Eoner wrote: hmskrecik wrote: Marcos Boirelle wrote: hmskrecik, unless they bubble but often do we see a bubble in High Sec at the Stargates? Well, if you have Orca bubbled it means things went terribly wrong on many levels. And frankly I'm not sure what your point is. I thought I explained why would you like to perform cloak+MWD even in hisec. You're doing it wrong if you can't cloak/mwd with dcuII and bulkhead in lows. Bulkhead and DCUII in lows is a must especially with all the tornados being used to gank Orcas these days. Ok, I see now. Yeah, I can perform cloak+mwd with bulkheads and dcuII BUT... even in best situations there was short interval after uncloaking and before entering warp. While my fit is a bit on extreme side, tests indicate that at least 2, or better 3, inertia upgrades are needed to make those two events happen close enough to prevent target locking of such Orca. Maybe it is me that heard it wrong but what I heard and I am not an Eve veteran or knowledge expert; if the gate is bubbled then cloak + mwd wont work, then I asked, how often is a gate in High Sec bubbled?
hmskrecik TransMine Group German Information Network Alliance 102	Posted - 2013.08.30 07:52:00 - [29] - Quote Marcos Boirelle wrote: Maybe it is me that heard it wrong but what I heard and I am not an Eve veteran or knowledge expert; if the gate is bubbled then cloak + mwd wont work, then I asked, how often is a gate in High Sec bubbled? Orcas don't die in hisec because of bubbles... Most often you die either while sitting in the belt or while hauling stuff. In belts you just have to watch surroundings and not be stupid. To die in transit involves two things: 1. (optional) Being scanned. 2. Being ganked while warping off the gate. No bubbles involved, just a bunch of Tornadoes, Taloses or whatnot. Both of those above steps, while not impossible, are very had to pull off when ship is visible in overview for a second or less. Hope I cleared the matter a bit.
Oxylan QRDELESH - Mutual Admiration Society 53	Posted - 2013.09.01 11:24:00 - [30] - Quote In general x large or large ancilary shield booster, some shield extender + shield hp rigs) one or 2 invulfield hardeners, low slot bulwark that increase hull hit points and damage control, (very solid ehp and active shield boost for stres situation that protect for short time from heavy damage incomes even from multiple ships) " if you got feeling that somthing bad like gank may happens" but if you move across universe with with low vaulable cargo try use inertia stab or other thngs that increase aggility. If it bleed we can kill it.

Marc Callan Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors 283	Posted - 2013.09.01 15:09:00 - [31] - Quote If you're having trouble making the cloak/MWD trick work, try cranking up your Acceleration Control skill if you've only got one or two levels in it. That'll give you a good raw boost to your MWD speed, which might be enough to overcome the deceleration you get from non-covops cloaks. "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á
Praxis Ginimic Dark Knight Legion The Hydra Confederacy 472	Posted - 2013.09.01 16:44:00 - [32] - Quote Don't cheap out on your cap ship guy. Faction links! Fit for max cargo, T2 all the way! The hull on that bad boy is good down to .5 for concord response. Just get out there and focus on making that sweet isk. Most importantly, don't even bother to look up my sec stat before deciding in the validity of my advice.
Obunagawe 225	Posted - 2013.09.01 17:05:00 - [33] - Quote Drones: ECM light.
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 823	Posted - 2013.09.01 19:27:00 - [34] - Quote Cloak + MWD in an orca is about useless if you are being ganked. They STILL have 10 seconds to decloak a ship with a sig radius bigger than Rhode Island. With the new camera tricks its not hard at all. You need to be able to tank until Concord comes and starts popping them. They will have you scrammed and get 2 volleys off. The more EHP the better. I would bring ec-600 drones. Overheat hardeners. Unless you can rep 12k in 14 seconds don't bring any kind of repper. Eve is Real
IIshira School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 200	Posted - 2013.09.01 23:36:00 - [35] - Quote Praxis Ginimic wrote: Don't cheap out on your cap ship guy. Faction links! Fit for max cargo, T2 all the way! The hull on that bad boy is good down to .5 for concord response. Just get out there and focus on making that sweet isk. Most importantly, don't even bother to look up my sec stat before deciding in the validity of my advice. This^ Don't worry about adding tank... Just fit for max cargo to make lots of ISK. Make sure you fit plenty of faction stuff for good drops.. I mean it makes your ship look pretty and no one bothers ganking Orcas now.
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 823	Posted - 2013.09.02 06:48:00 - [36] - Quote Because there are so many officer cargo mods... Eve is Real
Lloyd Roses Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx 208	Posted - 2013.09.02 06:58:00 - [37] - Quote Following tippias advice will yield great results. 10sec warp with mwd is sweet, dcu (and eventually bulkheads) is all you need as tank. "When we're done with links you won't recognize them" - CCP Fozzie
Jonah Gravenstein Sweet Sensations Radical Industries 12972	Posted - 2013.09.02 07:06:00 - [38] - Quote DCII and Bulkheads are the way to go, cargo expanded Orcas are really quite squishy. The New Order guys consider cargo fits "anti tanked" and given the opportunity can and do kill them before Concord roll up.. Bullshit is a greater enemy of the truth than lies are ~ Harry G. Frankfurt
Marcos Boirelle Night Wulves 0	Posted - 2013.09.08 08:28:00 - [39] - Quote Great feedback, I will concider this week what the heck to do, I mean if a haul with under one billion in net worth, it is not worth ganking in my opinion. There has to be a win win situation.
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn Department 10 46	Posted - 2013.09.08 09:55:00 - [40] - Quote Synthetic Hull Conversion Reinforced Bulkheads I Damage Control II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement II Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization II Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing II Large Cargohold Optimization I Large Cargohold Optimization I Large Cargohold Optimization I Warrior I x5 Mining Drone II x5 Salvage Drone I x5.

IIshira School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 204	Posted - 2013.09.10 03:19:00 - [41] - Quote Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn wrote: Synthetic Hull Conversion Reinforced Bulkheads I Damage Control II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement II Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization II Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing II Large Cargohold Optimization I Large Cargohold Optimization I Large Cargohold Optimization I Warrior I x5 Mining Drone II x5 Salvage Drone I x5. I'm just curious why spend the extra ISK for the Storyline reinforced bulkhead? You get a very small velocity bonus and lose a little structure but this doesn't seem to help or hurt much. Also is the shield link worth it or used much in mining fleets. I'm asking because I have an Orca pilot in training and was wondering if it was worth the extra training time.
Adacia Calla Nubs. No Effin' Clue 56	Posted - 2013.09.10 21:58:00 - [42] - Quote This is my incursion hauler: [Orca, Hi Sec] Reinforced Bulkheads II Damage Control II Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Improved Cloaking Device II Core Probe Launcher II, Sisters Core Scanner Probe Small Tractor Beam II Large Cargohold Optimization I Large Cargohold Optimization I Large Ancillary Current Router I It does everything I need it to do, and it's never been shot at. Test signature....forum not applying settings :(
Crellion Parental Control 54	Posted - 2013.09.13 14:20:00 - [43] - Quote No dude there are no bubles in hisec and lowsec only in 0.0, dont know why no one else cleared that up for you before but I guess an Orca thread must needs attarct more people of a certain persuasion. As for the advice to run mwd cycle and enough tank to last the 10 secs its pretty much fail advice because the moment a disruptor hits you even for 1 sec you speed will go down to 0 and you can forget about the 10 secs warp... moreover most gankers will be decent enough (one hopes) to apply all the alpha within 10 secs... its not rocket science. The other dude saying he can do the nwd cloak trick with 3xinertias might or might not be right I dont have/had/will have an Orca but I can tell you that if it is not perfect but with a slight delay then try it with nanofibers instead. Inertias boost your signature and for many ships one sees that [random numbers example] with 3 inertias you warp in 8 secs and a dessy locks you in 7 whereas with three nanos you warp in 9 but the same dessy will lock you in 10... I hope the above makes sense to you.


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