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Bordak Vyvorant
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.19 23:35:00 -
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I cant complete the first tutorial set for exploration. Been at it an hour. Apparently I need a Proof of Discovery: Gas Passkey to access the acceleration thingy to get the Proof of Discovery: Gas. But I do not have a Proof of Discovery: Gas Passkey. Nor am I able to find it. Kind of frustrating.
I am kind of wondering if the game is worth playing if even simple tutorials are no love situations.
-I have asked for help in game and no one really knows what I am talking about. Hell, I'm new enough I don't know what the right words are.
-Meaning I have also googled, but there is no love there.
I only have 22mleft on probes...not too sure how to get new ones. Like a complex game, but, well I am not having fun at this point which is why one plays a game.
Any help for newb appreciated.
L. |
Bordak Vyvorant
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.08.19 23:42:00 -
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Okay, apparently my little dude decided to place the passkey in his Item Hangar in the big starting thingy station....and not on his ship, which he would soon be using. So all good. Happy times.... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
16132
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Posted - 2013.08.19 23:49:00 -
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Welcome to EVE, and congratulations on passing lesson #1: NPCs behaviour don't follow any kind of logic, and you're better off relying on them as little as possible. 
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
268
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Posted - 2013.08.19 23:54:00 -
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If a little thing like this frustrates you, run! RUN NOW!!!!
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Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
137
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Posted - 2013.08.19 23:55:00 -
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Bordak Vyvorant wrote:I only have 22mleft on probes...not too sure how to get new ones.
The timer will reset as soon as you call the probes back in and send them out again =)
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Shederov Blood
Wrecketeers
377
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Posted - 2013.08.20 00:04:00 -
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Bordak Vyvorant wrote:I only have 22mleft on probes...not too sure how to get new ones. Recover probes. Launch probes... hey! They're just like new ones! 
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GreenSeed
649
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Posted - 2013.08.20 00:04:00 -
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22 minutes left on probes? so you spent a good 30 minutes looking for help and no one helped you in local?
the community of this game just keeps getting worse and worse... i heard some will even fire upon you with no provocation. despicable.
all joking aside, those tutorials are in need for a V3.0.
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Bordak Vyvorant
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.08.20 00:14:00 -
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Ohh now I've mined stuff too. Beautiful game to look at. I'll see where this all leads. Just that one frustrating part so far...hopefully all goes well from here on out. Positive thoughts! POSITIVE THOUGHTS!!!!! |
Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
137
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Posted - 2013.08.20 00:16:00 -
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Bordak Vyvorant wrote:Ohh now I've mined stuff too. Beautiful game to look at. I'll see where this all leads. Just that one frustrating part so far...hopefully all goes well from here on out. Positive thoughts! POSITIVE THOUGHTS!!!!!
It won't be the last frustrating part, that's for sure =) But just try to ignore that and rely on the positive thoughts you're having right now! Welcome to EVE =)
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Invisusira
The Rising Stars
The Initiative.
199
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Posted - 2013.08.20 00:37:00 -
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Bordak Vyvorant wrote:Okay, apparently my little dude decided to place the passkey in his Item Hangar in the big starting thingy station....and not on his ship, which he would soon be using. So all good. Happy times....
I did the exact same thing when I first started playing. Took me about as long to figure it out, too.
Core Skills | EVE Music | Internet Spaceship Killboard Link |
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
504
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Posted - 2013.08.20 00:48:00 -
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Invisusira wrote:Bordak Vyvorant wrote:Okay, apparently my little dude decided to place the passkey in his Item Hangar in the big starting thingy station....and not on his ship, which he would soon be using. So all good. Happy times.... I did the exact same thing when I first started playing. Took me about as long to figure it out, too.
Hah, it takes a new player an hour to figure out how to view the item hanger.
Speaks volumes about the unified inventory's user friendliness. That interface sorely needs at least an incremental update, I mean it works fine but honestly it goes against so many UI design principles that it's incredibly non-intuitive. Intuitive design, not just simple streamlining, is the #1 thing for improving the new player experience. |
Freakdevil
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
47
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Posted - 2013.08.20 00:58:00 -
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Dude join a new player friendly corp. Too much to learn solo. You will make friends and learn what this game really can offer. Yeah you might get war dec'd and you might have all your crap stolen by some scumbag corp mate. Or you might not.
Still better than running around solo and then posting here for help. my .02. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2110
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Posted - 2013.08.20 01:00:00 -
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speaking for myself, the whole item hangar thing was solved the instant I saw the "merge ship and item hangars into station window" option.
For the life of me I can't figure out why that isn't active by default.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4523
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Posted - 2013.08.20 03:00:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:speaking for myself, the whole item hangar thing was solved the instant I saw the "merge ship and item hangars into station window" option.
For the life of me I can't figure out why that isn't active by default.
Heartily agree. More advanced players may want to separate them at some point, but to begin with it should be right there with everything else in station.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ifly Uwalk
Empire Tax Collection Agency
878
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Posted - 2013.08.20 04:22:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Stitcher wrote:speaking for myself, the whole item hangar thing was solved the instant I saw the "merge ship and item hangars into station window" option.
For the life of me I can't figure out why that isn't active by default. Heartily agree. More advanced players may want to separate them at some point, but to begin with it should be right there with everything else in station.
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Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
697
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Posted - 2013.08.21 11:07:00 -
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Bordak Vyvorant wrote:I cant complete the first tutorial set for exploration. Been at it an hour. Apparently I need a Proof of Discovery: Gas Passkey to access the acceleration thingy to get the Proof of Discovery: Gas. But I do not have a Proof of Discovery: Gas Passkey. Nor am I able to find it. Kind of frustrating.
I am kind of wondering if the game is worth playing if even simple tutorials are no love situations.
-I have asked for help in game and no one really knows what I am talking about. Hell, I'm new enough I don't know what the right words are.
-Meaning I have also googled, but there is no love there.
I only have 22mleft on probes...not too sure how to get new ones. Like a complex game, but, well I am not having fun at this point which is why one plays a game.
Any help for newb appreciated.
L.
its not a game about fun, its a game about overcoming frustration
its like golf, you hate it one day, you love it the next
... |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
2615
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Posted - 2013.08.21 11:19:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Stitcher wrote:speaking for myself, the whole item hangar thing was solved the instant I saw the "merge ship and item hangars into station window" option.
For the life of me I can't figure out why that isn't active by default. Heartily agree. More advanced players may want to separate them at some point, but to begin with it should be right there with everything else in station.
I don't know that cluttering them up into the station window is the correct default answer (I prefer them separate) but they should both absolutely be open by default. I hate having to reopen the damn windows every time I clone jump.
It's just another one of those dumb things that CCP never considered.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Eram Fidard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
221
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Posted - 2013.08.21 14:08:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:speaking for myself, the whole item hangar thing was solved the instant I saw the "merge ship and item hangars into station window" option.
For the life of me I can't figure out why that isn't active by default.
The first time I was ever in sov 0.0 I thought there was no market for a good day or so until I realised the button had only disappeared from the station window not the nav.
A lot of UI decisions in eve plain don't make sense, it adds to The Learning Cliff lol.
Think of these things like the little pikes at the bottom of the hill. |
Andrea Okazon
Alexylva Paradox
126
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Posted - 2013.08.21 14:45:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:speaking for myself, the whole item hangar thing was solved the instant I saw the "merge ship and item hangars into station window" option.
For the life of me I can't figure out why that isn't active by default.
WAIT WHAT |
Ned Taggart
EVE University
Ivy League
34
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Posted - 2013.08.21 15:16:00 -
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I notice that this post is 3 days old, so I am assuming you are past all of that. Still this will show up on searches, so I am going to post this Video here.
I had the same exact frustration when I was doing tutorials. I found this video a few days later. there is a whole series of them. The videos, along with web search results for other questions leading back to a single website are what prompted me to apply to the corporation I belong to. |
Septium Stern Unun
Luna Tigers
ASCENSI0N.
0
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Posted - 2013.08.21 16:16:00 -
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Andrea Okazon wrote:Stitcher wrote:speaking for myself, the whole item hangar thing was solved the instant I saw the "merge ship and item hangars into station window" option.
For the life of me I can't figure out why that isn't active by default. WAIT WHAT
Yes, most windows act like browser tabs, in that you can pull them down and drop them into another interface to merge them. |
Generals4
1967
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Posted - 2013.08.21 16:20:00 -
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Mr. Orange wrote:If a little thing like this frustrates you, run! RUN NOW!!!!
To be fair it's usually those little things which are the most frustrating.
-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
324
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Posted - 2013.08.21 16:23:00 -
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Bordak Vyvorant wrote:Ohh now I've mined stuff too. Beautiful game to look at. I'll see where this all leads. Just that one frustrating part so far...hopefully all goes well from here on out. Positive thoughts! POSITIVE THOUGHTS!!!!!
Remember to poke around at the various menus a lot. Many tools and utilities are hidden in odd places. Right click everything - even open space; Context menues are everywhere. Be prepared to look for answers - EVE is notoriously terse in its instruction and help, but what you're looking for, if it exists at all, can be found with some dilligence.
Don't forget to look at external sites as well - much is explained externally that you'd have to otherwise learn the hard way.
Stay alert. Trust no one. Keep your lasers warm.  |
Ekhss Nihilo
Ideal Machine
52
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Posted - 2013.08.21 18:39:00 -
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Bordak Vyvorant wrote:I cant complete the first tutorial set for exploration. Been at it an hour. Apparently I need a Proof of Discovery: Gas Passkey to access the acceleration thingy to get the Proof of Discovery: Gas. But I do not have a Proof of Discovery: Gas Passkey. Nor am I able to find it. Kind of frustrating.
I am kind of wondering if the game is worth playing if even simple tutorials are no love situations.
-I have asked for help in game and no one really knows what I am talking about. Hell, I'm new enough I don't know what the right words are.
-Meaning I have also googled, but there is no love there.
I only have 22mleft on probes...not too sure how to get new ones. Like a complex game, but, well I am not having fun at this point which is why one plays a game.
Any help for newb appreciated.
L.
First and foremost, remember not to GasPass while in your pod. The results are.... unpleasant.
Seriously, welcome to EVE. Don't get discouraged. The little details can trip you up at first, but it doesn't take too long to get past that. Plus, there's plenty of friendly, if not off-key help available.
Fly safe!
"The object in life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane."
-- Marcus Aurelius (AD 121-180)
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
1531
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Posted - 2013.08.21 20:20:00 -
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Generals4 wrote:Mr. Orange wrote:If a little thing like this frustrates you, run! RUN NOW!!!! To be fair it's usually those little things which are the most frustrating.
That's very true. And ironically, they come up the most when you're dealing with missions and NPCs, which is what you tend do when newest to the game.
OP, it gets easier as you go. Eventually you start intuitively knowing where to search around for stuff. |
Silvetica Dian
Manson Family
The Retirement Club
43
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Posted - 2013.08.21 22:54:00 -
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some tips to make life easier.
1. almost all high sec corps are worthless. hardly anyone logging in. corp chat is dead. everyone plays seperately. Finding a decent corp is a huge deal and hard to do.
2. passive income is hugely important. Planetary interaction, manufacturing, research, moongoo and a few other i am sure i am forgetting are examples. lots of people will tell you this. you will ignore them for too long.
3. Eve Uni has some excellant guides to most topics both written and youtube based.
4. Do NOT mine.
5. Do NOT become a hauler.
6. The missions are a useful start /intro to combat mechanics but they are a dull dull dull way to make isk. Find a better way asap.
7. Everything written in local at a trade hub is a scam. Do NOT think you have found a bargain or a samaritan you have not.
8. get into exploration or wormhole diving or faction warfare or pirating or null sec pvp or suicide ganking asap.
9. Now is the best time to start learning to PVP. make all your early mistakes in T1 frigs and you will learn some very important lessons cheaply. Thinking you can learn PVP later with an expensive ship is the WORST plan.
10. Seriously lose a few ships to other players. The adrenaline rush from EVE PVP is not found in other games.
11. If you must mission looting and salvaging the wrecks is better isk than the mission reward. You can make a decent salvage /loot boat with a destroyer but when finally you switch to a noctis because everyone nagged you you will wish you had done it months before.
12 Do not rush into bigger ships. Bigger is not better in EVE. Most battleships will struggle to hit a frigate for example and many people have lost battleships to solo frigs because they didn't truely understand this.
13. http://www.evealtruist.com/ a great guide to all sorts of combat mechanics
14. http://www.minerbumping.com/2013/08/the-new-order-ends-soon.html an example of emergant gameplay
15. http://flight-of-dragons.blogspot.co.uk/ a blog about a newbie learning to PVP (in his case very well)
In summary.
Eve is not about grinding like so many MMO's although many people make it so.
Eve is about communities and the narrative arc they create for themselves. Find a community that appeals and become part of their arc or make one of your own if you prefer |
Yaturi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2013.08.22 02:15:00 -
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Evelopedia is cool, look around in the middle of the homepage and you'll see guides. Open it and youll see a whole mess of guides on different subjects, and by mess I mean hot mess. The most important one is crimewatch imo. Also, if you ever try courier contracts don't be dumb like me and get popped at a camp. They Do bait in this game. |
Vihura
Rave Technologies Inc.
C0VEN
44
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Posted - 2013.08.22 10:09:00 -
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mechtech wrote:Invisusira wrote:Bordak Vyvorant wrote:Okay, apparently my little dude decided to place the passkey in his Item Hangar in the big starting thingy station....and not on his ship, which he would soon be using. So all good. Happy times.... I did the exact same thing when I first started playing. Took me about as long to figure it out, too. Hah, it takes a new player an hour to figure out how to view the item hanger. Speaks volumes about the unified inventory's user friendliness. That interface sorely needs at least an incremental update, I mean it works fine but honestly it goes against so many UI design principles that it's incredibly non-intuitive. Intuitive design, not just simple streamlining, is the #1 thing for improving the new player experience.
I wonder how long it takes a new player to intuitively determine how to optimize a waypoint route (imo, a very important function to the game). I'm sure there are some newer players reading that weren't aware of the feature. Go log into Eve, set a few waypoints, and try and optimize the route. Come back and say how long it took. For science!
Yeh this new(old) inventory system drive me mad, hundreds clinics to get hanga, you click on hanger icon and it default open ship hangar, stupid...can't get use to it. Oh well look like peapol in Iceland have diffrent view on 'ergonomics' and 'usability' |
Moneta Curran
Lunar Industries Ltd
151
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Posted - 2013.08.22 14:15:00 -
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The tutorial is anything but mandatory.
Just get out there and try to figure out what you would like to do yourself.
This is not the type of game where your progress gets halted by a bug in a linear plot line.
There are greater rewards to be had if you start thinking outside of the box. |
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
329
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Posted - 2013.08.22 15:04:00 -
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Moneta Curran wrote:The tutorial is anything but mandatory.
Just get out there and try to figure out what you would like to do yourself.
This is not the type of game where your progress gets halted by a bug in a linear plot line.
There are greater rewards to be had if you start thinking outside of the box.
The best thing about the tutorials are free ships and free skillbooks.
You can live without them.
Decide if you want to burn a day or so doing tutorials, or if you're happy just plunging in, all green and wet-behind-the-ears.
Either way works, one is more exicting than the other. |
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