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Sosus Red
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Posted - 2005.12.30 03:14:00 -
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I have my suspicions. Seems odd, the rich and powerful keep getting more rich and powerful. WTF, this is not sopossed to be RL.
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Galactina Evol
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Posted - 2005.12.30 03:16:00 -
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Edited by: Galactina Evol on 30/12/2005 03:16:57
I am so sick of these damn threads, justified or not. It is what it is and it wont change, end of.
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Galaxion
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Posted - 2005.12.30 03:17:00 -
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No, I dont think its fixed. And nor am I a benefactor, after 2 years I have never had more than 200million in assets at any one time. I just think the people who are made rich invest their BPO's and so get more richer. Also the people who get BPO's are *mostly* those in full time research, mostly with multiple agents and RP's in the millions. With those sort of dedicated people it's not surprising they strike it lucky 2, 3, or even 7 times.
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2005.12.30 03:17:00 -
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No
MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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Sosus Red
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Posted - 2005.12.30 03:17:00 -
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SO dont read them
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Jennai
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Posted - 2005.12.30 03:18:00 -
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the randomizer still sucks
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TFer Atvar
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Posted - 2005.12.30 03:18:00 -
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Sosus, the reasoning is simple. The longer you've spent playing EVE, the more ISK you have. (Generally) In addition, you've had more time to accrue RP across more agents.
That means you've got a better chance to get BPOs than people who are poorer, have less time in-game, and thus have fewer RP and fewer agents.
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Galactina Evol
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Posted - 2005.12.30 03:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Sosus Red
SO dont read them
Then stop making em!
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Sosus Red
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Posted - 2005.12.30 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: TFer Atvar
Sosus, the reasoning is simple. The longer you've spent playing EVE, the more ISK you have. (Generally) In addition, you've had more time to accrue RP across more agents.
That means you've got a better chance to get BPOs than people who are poorer, have less time in-game, and thus have fewer RP and fewer agents.
Ive been playing since may '03. Had a the same research agent for almost as long.
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.12.30 03:23:00 -
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They need to change the seed that the randomizer uses... thats all.
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Trevedian
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Posted - 2005.12.30 03:25:00 -
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Tech2 is fine, stop making these thoughtless posts!
Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me
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Corin Walker
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Posted - 2005.12.30 04:06:00 -
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Originally by: Sosus Red
I have my suspicions. Seems odd, the rich and powerful keep getting more rich and powerful. WTF, this is not sopossed to be RL.
Fixed no, but broke yes.
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Unbeleever
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Posted - 2005.12.30 04:07:00 -
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Edited by: Unbeleever on 30/12/2005 04:07:37
Originally by: Trevedian
Tech2 is fine, stop making these thoughtless posts!
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2005.12.30 04:07:00 -
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Originally by: Galactina Evol
Edited by: Galactina Evol on 30/12/2005 03:16:57
I am so sick of these damn threads, justified or not. It is what it is and it wont change, end of.
With that defeatest attitude, of course things wont change
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Corin Walker
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Posted - 2005.12.30 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian
Tech2 is fine, stop making these thoughtless posts!
Was it you that got 7 BPO drops from the lottery? Or am I mistaken? |
Lord Frost
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Posted - 2005.12.30 04:10:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Frost on 30/12/2005 04:12:31
Originally by: Trevedian
Tech2 is fine, stop making these thoughtless posts!
well said by the proud winner of 8!
I think they need to divide the lottery pool in half... make sure the top half gets some bpos as does the bottom half.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.12.30 04:14:00 -
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Well, I know one person that won two BPOs in a single round once...
Overall thought... does it really matter? The system blows so much, wether its fixed or not wouldn't change my level of dislike for it...
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2005.12.30 04:24:00 -
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Edited by: Herko Kerghans on 30/12/2005 04:25:27
Originally by: Sosus Red
So does anyone believe that the "BPO Lottery" is Fixed?
I am not saying that having t2 BPOs distributed by a lottery is good or bad... but the fact that some people receive many while others receive none is the normal result of a random distribution.
You can test it yourself:
-Get a 20-side dice
-Throw it 20 times
You will see that some numbers are repeated, while others never come up.
(As a matter of fact, the chances that all numbers come up exactly once is roughly 1 in a hundred millions, but feel free to repeat the experiment a few times if you dont believe me.  )
A random number generator produces "streaks", always. Some numbers will come up many times, others will not come up at all until you throw your dice a lot more times than the number of sides (If you throw the dice 2000 times then yes, all the numbers will show up in a similar proportion... so until the number of BPOs is greater than the number of players, the lotery will give many BPOs to some while none to others)
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Theonlystd
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Posted - 2005.12.30 04:29:00 -
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Originally by: Herko Kerghans
Edited by: Herko Kerghans on 30/12/2005 04:25:27
Originally by: Sosus Red
So does anyone believe that the "BPO Lottery" is Fixed?
I am not saying that having t2 BPOs distributed by a lottery is good or bad... but the fact that some people receive many while others receive none is the normal result of a random distribution.
You can test it yourself:
-Get a 20-side dice
-Throw it 20 times
You will see that some numbers are repeated, while others never come up.
(As a matter of fact, the chances that all numbers come up exactly once is roughly 1 in a hundred millions, but feel free to repeat the experiment a few times if you dont believe me. )
A random number generator produces "streaks", always. Some numbers will come up many times, others will not come up at all until you throw your dice a lot more times than the number of sides (If you throw the dice 2000 times then yes, all the numbers will show up in a similar proportion... so until the number of BPOs is greater than the number of players, the lotery will give many BPOs to some while none to others)
Pfftt dont bring stats and logic into this!!!
If they havnt won its cause the devs are in an evil conspiracy to keep screwing em.
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Corin Walker
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Posted - 2005.12.30 04:33:00 -
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Originally by: Herko Kerghans
Edited by: Herko Kerghans on 30/12/2005 04:25:27
Originally by: Sosus Red
So does anyone believe that the "BPO Lottery" is Fixed?
I am not saying that having t2 BPOs distributed by a lottery is good or bad... but the fact that some people receive many while others receive none is the normal result of a random distribution.
You can test it yourself:
-Get a 20-side dice
-Throw it 20 times
You will see that some numbers are repeated, while others never come up.
(As a matter of fact, the chances that all numbers come up exactly once is roughly 1 in a hundred millions, but feel free to repeat the experiment a few times if you dont believe me. )
A random number generator produces "streaks", always. Some numbers will come up many times, others will not come up at all until you throw your dice a lot more times than the number of sides (If you throw the dice 2000 times then yes, all the numbers will show up in a similar proportion... so until the number of BPOs is greater than the number of players, the lotery will give many BPOs to some while none to others)
That is a 20 die man there are a arse load of people in eve accounts are rampant, to win it 2 maybe 3 times is astronomical, cant be arsed to do the math but 7, 8 times to one person???
That is not random drops my friend and i'm not saying that it is fixed in any way but ff's its FRIGGIN BROKE. And to keep saying the t2 lottery is fine you either have profited by it, or know someone who has.
It's like trev there sayin t2 lottery is fine..... sure it is can I have 1 or 2 of the 7 or 8 Bpo's ya got bub?
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Davich MacGregor
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Posted - 2005.12.30 04:36:00 -
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The fact that no one on CCP staff seems to answer these threads should tell you they are perfectly happy with how uneven the distribution seems to be. So save your breath. |
Pant Alones
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Posted - 2005.12.30 04:38:00 -
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I didn't win the t2 lottery, therefore it MUST be fixed.
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2005.12.30 04:44:00 -
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Originally by: Theonlystd
Pfftt dont bring stats and logic into this!!!
Bu-but... but...
Ok, ok... 
Originally by: Corin Walker
That is a 20 die man there are a arse load of people in eve accounts are rampant, to win it 2 maybe 3 times is astronomical, cant be arsed to do the math but 7, 8 times to one person???
Asking Theonlystd's pardon...
It is that way, Corin. When you have a lot less fewer BPOs than EVE eve accounts, a random system will ALWAYS give some people many BPOs before it gives at least one BPO to every player that can receive a BPO.
Either pick up a 20 side dice and try, or check
(20!) / (20^20) < 10^(-7)
Math is like that, what can I say.
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That is not random drops my friend and i'm not saying that it is fixed in any way but ff's its FRIGGIN BROKE.
The whole argument is:
-IF the lottery does NOT produce streaks, then it is NOT random.
-IF the lottery produces streaks, then it may be random or not.
That means: the fact that there are streaks does not proves that it is random... but it doesn't prove it is NOT random, either. Where if it didn't produce streaks, it would NOT be random, for sure.
Put some Occam over it => lottery is random.
(Btw, and as I said in my first post: I am NOT saying that a random system is the good way to distribute the t2 BPOs. I am only saying that streaks are normal in a random distribution)
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Gierling
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Posted - 2005.12.30 04:45:00 -
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ok, your average hardcore researcher runs anywhere between 7-15 accounts with max research agents on all of them.
Different characters owned by the same players get all the bpo's, it is not a failure of the lottery at all.
*snip* That's not very appropriate. - Teblin |
Corin Walker
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Posted - 2005.12.30 04:54:00 -
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Originally by: Gierling
ok, your average hardcore researcher runs anywhere between 7-15 accounts with max research agents on all of them.
Different characters owned by the same players get all the bpo's, it is not a failure of the lottery at all.
Look this isnt boohooo i aint got a t2 bpo thing for me it,s just that if im correct it isnt 10 dif toons of one guy getting the 8 drops its one guy getting 8 bpo's.
And it dosent matter if you have 8 frigin bil in research points if it is supposed to be random.
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Dyvim Tvars
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Posted - 2005.12.30 04:57:00 -
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There is already a discussion about this here
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