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Renis Vaille
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2013.08.22 15:47:00 -
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I've recently posted a some topics in this forum related to money making so thank you all for your input. I've been able to get set up successfully with station trading and PI. My high-sec PI nets me about 35mil per week with 5 planets and after taxes so that's about 140mil per month. I also have been making about 20 mil per week station trading (keep in mind that I barely check my orders and put very little effort into this and I want to keep it this way since its awfully boring). This ups my monthly income to about 220mil per month.
I want to shoot for 500 mil/month on average so I need another way to make about 280 mil/month. Im only online about 1 hour per day on average (full time job and working on my masters so its tough). I usually spend about 15 mins per day of that 1 hour checking and updating orders and lumping in some PI hauling to Jita in there. That means that with the other 45 minutes per hour per day or 45mins x 30 days = 22.5 hours per month I need to make 280mil or 280 mil / 22.5 hours = 12.5 mil/hour or some kind ofpassive income to kmake me this extra money.
So my question (finally) is: is there a way to make another 280 mil/month with only 45 minutes play per day every day while avoiding things that I dislike (listed below)? Are there passive income ways besides PI and datacore farming to make irk in high sec for now? Things that I dislike and don't want to do are: scanning/probing (hate the interface and couldn't get used to tracking things down), PvP (not ready yet with skills so I'm saving up now while I train for low sec and null sec), more station trading (awfully boring), more mining (again, awfully boring though I fully fit a retriever), missioning (awfully boring to me as well), and salvaging (hate probing as mentioned above).
I know I limit myself but I don't want to spend time doing something I hate even if it makes a lot of isk. Everything not listed above Ieither like or hhaven't tried yet.
Thank you so much everyone for your help. The EVE community has been wonderful in answering all of my noon questions |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
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Posted - 2013.08.22 15:56:00 -
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Buy a PLEX, sell on the market. Instant 500+ million.
If you're trying for 500/month to play free, don't. It just turns EVE into an incredibly low-paying second job (paying cents per hour if you work it out)
p.s. Data cores are minimal income now. Not worth it unless you have the skills for T2 manufacturing already. |
Sin Pew
Dakini Rising
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Posted - 2013.08.22 16:04:00 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:Buy a PLEX, sell on the market. Instant 500+ million.
If you're trying for 500/month to play free, don't. It just turns EVE into an incredibly low-paying second job (paying cents per hour if you work it out)
p.s. Data cores are minimal income now. Not worth it unless you have the skills for T2 manufacturing already.
Quicker than me on that.
OP: you basically seem to dislike most of the game, why do you keep playing then?
"haiku are easy,
But sometimes they don't make sense,
Refrigerator." |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2013.08.22 16:06:00 -
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The best way to make money with minimal time investment is in developing characters for sale.
While it will take six months for your initial investment to pay off, once you are up and running you are looking at 5-7 billion per character.
The last time I worked it out, it went something like this. Five PLEX total investment with a 12 PLEX return for a profit of 7 PLEX. I should mention that this is based on taking advantage of the frequent Power of Two promotions. The only trick is knowing how to build a focused character that you know will be in demand, but not one that's so popular that everyone is making them. Browse through the Character Bazaar to get an idea whats types of characters are getting the highest return per SP.
All in all though, not bad for a time investment of a couple of hours logged in over six months.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Solai
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2013.08.22 16:48:00 -
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More trading.
High volumes, and high price items. Buy from places that supply a good item but have low local demand.
There's a large initial investment of time, in order to find the items and the circumstance, but after that it's just monitoring the orders, and making collection runs every week.
Jolly Codgers corp - Bloodthirsty old men of Null-Sec. -á PVP and organizational excellence through maturity, for pilots age 30+. |
Lord Battlestar
CALIMA COLLABORATIVE
Atrox Urbanis Respublique Abundatia
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Posted - 2013.08.22 17:56:00 -
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Though it is skill intensive, t2 invention can net you a lot of isk, but you will need multiple characters to really do it well. You would also need at least a small POS for copy jobs. It can usually net a few hundred mil isk in profit every few weeks.
I once podded myself by blowing a huge fart. |
Hadij Drake
Moradin's Orbital Operations P.L.C.
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Posted - 2013.08.23 02:40:00 -
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Exploring. Even coming from a nub. If I throw 2 hours at it per day, even while playing distracted and talking to other corp members, I make about 20-30 mil average per hour in lowsec. Null has a chance for a bigger payout but is strangely empty. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
2062
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Posted - 2013.08.23 02:52:00 -
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I was earning 3 billion ISK per month doing PI in w-space with 3 characters. Required a freighter to haul it out.
Of course we also earned 750m to about 1.2 billion ISK per 4 hour evening doing C5 and C6 Sleeper sites. Amount earned was largely dependent on salvaged melted nano ribbons, and intact relics found, especially intact hulls. Also depended on how lazy we were, and our luck finding a decent system (we'd only roll our static wormhole about 4 times before we'd call it an evening).
Fullerene gas harvesting and mining in w-space was only to fill in slow times, but also quite lucrative. |
Kyra Quinn
We Are Really Scary
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Posted - 2013.08.23 08:15:00 -
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I do exploration in high sec and limit myself to about 500 mil per week, this generally takes 2-3 days, simply because there's no reason to make more. I enjoy doing exploration so the money is just an extra, it's all about picking something you like doing and then doing it right.
The adventures of a newbie: http://kyraquinn.wordpress.com/ |
Penn Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:28:00 -
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Kyra Quinn wrote:I do exploration in high sec and limit myself to about 500 mil per week, this generally takes 2-3 days, simply because there's no reason to make more. I enjoy doing exploration so the money is just an extra, it's all about picking something you like doing and then doing it right.
Are you running combat anoms or relic/data sites to get that cash flow?
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Sin Pew
Dakini Rising
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:34:00 -
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According to his blog, it's a mix of both in high and low-sec.
"haiku are easy,
But sometimes they don't make sense,
Refrigerator." |
Kyra Quinn
We Are Really Scary
63
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Posted - 2013.08.23 15:50:00 -
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Penn Koskanaiken wrote:Kyra Quinn wrote:I do exploration in high sec and limit myself to about 500 mil per week, this generally takes 2-3 days, simply because there's no reason to make more. I enjoy doing exploration so the money is just an extra, it's all about picking something you like doing and then doing it right. Are you running combat anoms or relic/data sites to get that cash flow?
High sec combat signatures only but I will do the last part of an escalation in low sec if it's in a decently quiet system. Data and relic sites just don't pay anything at all anymore in high sec compared to combat sigs, apart from that it has more competition because of an increase in people flying the scanning frigates.
It does require good knowledge on how and what to do and it helps if you know what the good areas are (which you learn over time) and you'll need a proper ship for it ofcourse.
The adventures of a newbie: http://kyraquinn.wordpress.com/ |
Praxis Ginimic
Dark Knight Legion
The Hydra Confederacy
463
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Posted - 2013.08.23 16:17:00 -
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Cowboy up and move that PI operation to low sec.
Warm up those probing skills and run C1 anomalies.
Go on safari. |
Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
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Posted - 2013.08.23 18:10:00 -
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I've recently tried a bit of PI in a low sec system. However I'm not sure if I'm being successful or not. I've get it up to produce basic materials
I've only had the site for about a day or 2 and I've already made about 1m ISK. Is this good for this kind of thing? |
Darius Onok
Quod Perierat
Point Blank Alliance
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Posted - 2013.08.23 18:17:00 -
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Generally as long as you are making more a month than it costs you to run the thing it is a good idea. Whether it's 5 million or 500 million. Obviously one of those is way better but as long as you are passively making money you are in the clear. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.23 18:23:00 -
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Manufacturing can easily net 10k - 100k isk/hr/ line, and most players have up to 10 lines. Granted, you need to do some research about what products net this, and then ascertain a researched BPO.
T2/T3 Invention can earn lots of isk, but requires some skills, often a POS, and a fair bit of investment.
Moongoo reactions can also make you several 100 million isk a month, but require lots of investment, a POS, and you have to operate in lowsec/nullsec (meaning your stuff is at risk).
If you go to lowsec/nullsec, and find a POCO with low tax rates, you can make a lot more than 150m a month from 5 planets.
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3488
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Posted - 2013.08.23 19:11:00 -
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Leave highsec, train up for an Ishtar, AFK rat for 60m an hour.
The guy who was sitting next to me in the first nullsec round table who had obviously not had a shower since before boarding his flight to Iceland, you really stank. You know who you are. |
Starbuck05
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology
Innovia Alliance
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Posted - 2013.08.24 10:33:00 -
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Fit some guns and a cloack,join fw and run plexes. 1 hour per day can get u double what ur looking for,easy.
U don.t need high skills,just learn to use d-scan. |
Drax Concrilla
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
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Posted - 2013.08.24 15:00:00 -
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Starbuck05 wrote:Fit some guns and a cloack,join fw and run plexes. 1 hour per day can get u double what ur looking for,easy.
U don.t need high skills,just learn to use d-scan.
This. FW is mad amounts of money. Join an FW that's at least at Tier 2, orbit buttons for 1 hour (note: this is also extremely boring).
If you don't want to deal with PvP remember to fit a cloak and stab like a master! Then sit 30km off the warp in beacon and if anything comes in just warp off! If you really, really want to avoid PvP just warp off when anything shows up on short scan! True FW participants will absolutely LOVE YOU and you'll make quite a few million isk/hour after you cash out all those LP.
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Starbuck05
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology
Innovia Alliance
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Posted - 2013.08.25 13:01:00 -
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Drax Concrilla wrote:Starbuck05 wrote:Fit some guns and a cloack,join fw and run plexes. 1 hour per day can get u double what ur looking for,easy.
U don.t need high skills,just learn to use d-scan. This. FW is mad amounts of money. Join an FW that's at least at Tier 2, orbit buttons for 1 hour (note: this is also extremely boring). If you don't want to deal with PvP remember to fit a cloak and stab like a master! Then sit 30km off the warp in beacon and if anything comes in just warp off! If you really, really want to avoid PvP just warp off when anything shows up on short scan! True FW participants will absolutely LOVE YOU and you'll make quite a few million isk/hour after you cash out all those LP.
he doesnt need to warp out if he has a cloack and learns to use d.scan properly.
Alternativly if u are so in to pi,just find yourdelf a wh corp and do pi there,u will make alot more money and any respected wh corp will love u for it cause they will have theyr own pocos up effectivly giving them money everytime u cash out or drop materials in. Its a no brainer tbh. Most players who do pi in good wh.s easly make between 500 mil and 1bil depending on what planets they have at theyr disposal.
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Lilliana Stelles
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Posted - 2013.08.26 12:31:00 -
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Lord Battlestar wrote:Though it is skill intensive, t2 invention can net you a lot of isk, but you will need multiple characters to really do it well. You would also need at least a small POS for copy jobs. It can usually net a few hundred mil isk in profit every few weeks.
I'd advise against this. I find that it takes quite a bit of work to break even.
POS fuel is adding at least an extra 100 mil to your expenses unless you do all the PI and ice mining yourself.
And you need to already have R&D agents so you're not buying datacores. Even then, the price of T2 manufacturing will always be undercut by the rare BPO owners unless you're going for a 'newer' item. Most ships I've tried to make barely break even because of the -1 cap on ME. Some small items like drones and ammo can work amazingly well, but it's still a pretty sizable investment.
Unless you have several bil to spend on big-ship BPOs to invent JF and marauder blueprints, don't expect huge sales. The majority of T2 bpcs won't net you much on the contract market.
Incarna from 2009. 3 Years later and what we have doesn't look half as good as this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n41s1Iox18A |
Penn Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.26 13:42:00 -
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What about incursions? Requires you to be a bit nomadic but I've hear that it can pay quite well. |
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.26 15:06:00 -
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Penn Koskanaiken wrote:What about incursions? Requires you to be a bit nomadic but I've hear that it can pay quite well. Incursions require at least a T2-fitted Battleship, which requires more skill points than a new player has.
Also, I am not sure whether the "45 minutes at a time" that the OP has are enough to complete an incursion. |
Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
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Posted - 2013.08.26 15:13:00 -
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Thomas Builder wrote:Penn Koskanaiken wrote:What about incursions? Requires you to be a bit nomadic but I've hear that it can pay quite well. Incursions require at least a T2-fitted Battleship, which requires more skill points than a new player has. Also, I am not sure whether the "45 minutes at a time" that the OP has are enough to complete an incursion.
to be fair can't you just do the small sites then leave and wait for other groups to end the incursion and get your rewards? |
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
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Posted - 2013.08.26 15:31:00 -
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Renis Vaille wrote:Things that I dislike and don't want to do are: scanning/probing (hate the interface and couldn't get used to tracking things down), PvP (not ready yet with skills so I'm saving up now while I train for low sec and null sec), more station trading (awfully boring), more mining (again, awfully boring though I fully fit a retriever), missioning (awfully boring to me as well), and salvaging (hate probing as mentioned above).
I know I limit myself but I don't want to spend time doing something I hate even if it makes a lot of isk. Everything not listed above Ieither like or hhaven't tried yet.
Thank you so much everyone for your help. The EVE community has been wonderful in answering all of my noon questions
So you dislike exploring, PvP, station trading, mining, mission running, and salvaging. Why are you still playing this game? |
Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.26 18:06:00 -
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You may be able to make that much mining gas WH space. The danger factor makes it pretty interesting.
I would suggest module trading. Its very easy and can be done in 45 minutes a night. You put up buy orders for popular modules, then fly around putting them in logical places (like mission running hubs). You can usually get a big premium over the Jita price. For example, if you buy and sell 500 million in modules every day and make 25% profit, that would be 125 million every day.
I made over 6 billion this month (200+ per day) doing T2 manufacturing. This might be too complicated for you though. It involves spreadsheets and doing a lot of research to find profitable items. Modules are a lot easier.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
4016
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Posted - 2013.08.28 01:25:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:to be fair can't you just do the small sites then leave and wait for other groups to end the incursion and get your rewards?
The small sites that you can solo are Scout sites and they are not worth running. For the time and ship requirements, you make better money running L3 missions.
The Vanguard sites are highly contested with small shiny fleets specialising in arriving at a site when you are part of the way through, finishing the site faster than you, and scoring the whole payout. Assault and HQ sites are less contested, but fleets will take time to organise and you always have pauses due to replacing people who are leaving.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Torrema Sinclair
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.08.28 17:28:00 -
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Renis Vaille wrote:I've recently posted a some topics in this forum related to money making so thank you all for your input. I've been able to get set up successfully with station trading and PI. My high-sec PI nets me about 35mil per week with 5 planets and after taxes so that's about 140mil per month. I also have been making about 20 mil per week station trading (keep in mind that I barely check my orders and put very little effort into this and I want to keep it this way since its awfully boring). This ups my monthly income to about 220mil per month.
I want to shoot for 500 mil/month on average so I need another way to make about 280 mil/month. Im only online about 1 hour per day on average (full time job and working on my masters so its tough). I usually spend about 15 mins per day of that 1 hour checking and updating orders and lumping in some PI hauling to Jita in there. That means that with the other 45 minutes per hour per day or 45mins x 30 days = 22.5 hours per month I need to make 280mil or 280 mil / 22.5 hours = 12.5 mil/hour or some kind ofpassive income to kmake me this extra money.
So my question (finally) is: is there a way to make another 280 mil/month with only 45 minutes play per day every day while avoiding things that I dislike (listed below)? Are there passive income ways besides PI and datacore farming to make irk in high sec for now? Things that I dislike and don't want to do are: scanning/probing (hate the interface and couldn't get used to tracking things down), PvP (not ready yet with skills so I'm saving up now while I train for low sec and null sec), more station trading (awfully boring), more mining (again, awfully boring though I fully fit a retriever), missioning (awfully boring to me as well), and salvaging (hate probing as mentioned above).
I know I limit myself but I don't want to spend time doing something I hate even if it makes a lot of isk. Everything not listed above Ieither like or hhaven't tried yet.
Thank you so much everyone for your help. The EVE community has been wonderful in answering all of my noon questions
You could do some belt ratting in low/null. Im quite sure if you do abit of that you might get 500 mil a month. Also, then you could get used to travelling in low/null. Then it wont be such a big step moving out to low/null to start pvping, when you get the skills.
The Things you should be killing in the belt are the clone npc's. They drop tags that sell pretty well in tradehubs. |
Torrema Sinclair
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.08.28 17:32:00 -
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A Little side note. Its totally random if the NPC's spawns, but the thing about this is practice using d-scan, and looking up locals in eve-kill and such. Also abit more "exiting", since some like to sit in a cloacky ship and camp the npc, and kill your ass when you appear. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
Home Front Coalition
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Posted - 2013.08.29 22:06:00 -
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making 500m as a new player (where have I heard that before) is tedious and won't help you enjoy the game. I would recommend to simply subscribe with real world money, and think about playing the game for free later in your eve carreer. If you are sure you like the game the best thing you could do is get an annual sub. It will be a tad cheaper, and if you never have to buy PLEX you are carefree to start devising ISK making schemes. Also, once you have found something semi-passive that makes 250m a month, you could opt to save 500m for a PLEX, dual-train a character on the same account and mirror the process. Things like PI and invention can be mirrored this way, because you dont need to be logged in with 2 characters at the same time.
If this was not about PLEX but because you are prone to lose Battleships I apologize for making that assumption.  |
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