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Elvis Preslie
NRDS Securities Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2013.08.27 22:01:00 -
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There is a serious need to fix the undock timer BACK To the way it was, where you can activate ONLY an MWD or AB and still keep the timer. There's no point of a 20 second undock timer if we have no tactics to warp off, when camped. It just allows us to peek and dock back up, staying in the same situation you was to start with.
If you allow the timer to stay BUT allow the ship to be bumped, both when activating ONLY AB/MWD module, you will make BOTH the offenders and defenders use tactics to get away/catch the target, which is what any game is intended for: To CHALLENGE.
This is Unbalanced.There is NO challenge to the current situation; you just sit there and wait for someone who doesnt dock back up and you AUTOMATICALLY have them, without any tactics used.
Frag warp doesnt always work; its based on timing. EVERYONE frequently screws up a frag warp, which, on a station, would render you CAUGHT when you had the chance to evade the station camp, in the situation above, where you keep the undock timer after activating ONLY a propulsion module.
If someone accidentally turns on another module than propulsion, YES, take the timer away; otherwise, count down the 20 seconds and let them pray they dont screw up the frag warp.
More people will try to undock and frag away, if this gets fixed correctly; otherwise its a boring waiting game with the target inside and the offenders outside, staying as it is. The offenders (station campers) will then have MORE Of a chance catching people, with propulsion module allowed in conjunction with undock timer, as people will undock when knowing the station is camped.
All you have to do to stop someone's frag warp is try to predict where they are going to warp to and get in their SHORT travel path. This is really easy because they cant align with the undock timer; your target is sitting STILL waiting for the propulsion module to get 2/3 the way completed, before moving. THis is the offenders' time to use tactics, to get in the warp path, so that their target bumps into them when trying to frag warp and for it to then screw up their frag warp, rendering them CAUGHT.
Otherwise, as said, they will stay docked and the offenders have no chance of catching them versus allowing frag warp with undock timer. This is also extremely necessary for caldari stations; on these stations, you have to travel 20km just for it to SHOW 2km from station, in order for covert ops to cloak. |
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
453
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Posted - 2013.08.27 22:21:00 -
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A much better place for it Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up! |
Solutio Letum
Terpene Conglomerate
181
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Posted - 2013.08.27 23:02:00 -
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Can i just chose where i put it? i mean i know you want it somewhere but i want it somewhere else... i mean whats wrong with giving us a window that sticks where ever we want it? i hate the window for stations....... |
Elvis Preslie
NRDS Securities Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2013.08.27 23:14:00 -
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Solutio Letum wrote:Can i just chose where i put it? i mean i know you want it somewhere but i want it somewhere else... i mean whats wrong with giving us a window that sticks where ever we want it? i hate the window for stations.......
This has nothin to do with the station window but because we see the overview LONG after people see us undocked, its even more of a reason for the suggestion to be implemented.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
3122
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Posted - 2013.08.28 00:01:00 -
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Nah. Just use an insta-undock like everyone else or leave your ship behind and pod-warp out.
Besides... using a MWD or AB won't really help you on undock unless you are some nano-kiting super speed bullshiit ship... to which I say, "you have been caught. Suck it up." Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Elvis Preslie
NRDS Securities Apocalypse Now.
35
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Posted - 2013.09.07 03:47:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Nah. Just use an insta-undock like everyone else or leave your ship behind and pod-warp out.
Besides... using a MWD or AB won't really help you on undock unless you are some nano-kiting super speed bullshiit ship... to which I say, "you have been caught. Suck it up."
Let people that know how to play, play. I dont tell you how to play the game but you should learn how to use the tactic I'm referring to before refuting it; from your post, you know nothing about frag warping.
A ten year character told me "i never knew that in all the time I"ve played eve" after i helped him learn something. Do I have to school you too? |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1366
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Posted - 2013.09.07 04:09:00 -
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Don't get camped into station like a scrub. If you can't warp yourself out, jump clones and go do something else, somewhere else. Rifterlings pirate corporation is now recruiting pilots for lowsec solo & small gang operations. Visit our website at www.rifterlings.com or join our in game channel weflyrifters to speak to a recruiter. |
Elvis Preslie
NRDS Securities Apocalypse Now.
36
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Posted - 2013.09.07 04:13:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Don't get camped into station like a scrub. If you can't warp yourself out, jump clones and go do something else, somewhere else.
same goes for you; i just outlined why you shouldnt have kills handed to you AGAIN; maybe you wont be ignorant to read the second time I describe why. |
Omega Flames
Last Resort Inn
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Posted - 2013.09.07 06:34:00 -
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Elvis Preslie wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:Don't get camped into station like a scrub. If you can't warp yourself out, jump clones and go do something else, somewhere else. Let people that know how to play, play. I dont tell you how to play the game but you should learn how to use the tactic I'm referring to before refuting it; from your post, you know nothing about frag warping. A ten year character told me "i never knew that in all the time I"ve played eve" after i helped him learn something. Do I have to school you too? Apparently, you cant learn much because you refuse to READ a post before replying. I SAID, you cant put a instaundock bookmark for every system. you should be able to use tactics to travel to any system "safely", notice i quotated safely as its only as safe as your tactics make it. someone played for an entire 10 years and didn't know about jump clones? NO ONE should listen to that person. 1st thing you do when you get to a null system you are going to operate in is make your bm's so yes you CAN put an instaundock bm every system....and if you're on a roam then you shouldn't have been dumb enough to get trapped in a station to begin with. <Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually" http://i.imgur.com/76pQ9.jpg |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
4062
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Posted - 2013.09.07 06:45:00 -
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Elvis Preslie wrote:Frag warp
Seriously, who the hell coined this term. It's ridiculous. It's also horribly imprecise (I've heard it used for a number of very different tactics. What do you mean by it?).
Quote:This frag warp tactic is extremely necessary for caldari stations; on these stations, you have to travel 20km just for it to SHOW 2km from station, to be able to cloak. Without this tactic available, caldari stations make covert ops USELESS.
You're complaining about Caldari stations long undock?
You seem to also be calling for changing direction to no longer end your undocking invulnerability, which really renders your suggestion for the prop modules largely moot, since you'd just be able to align and warp off under the cloak of invulnerability without a prop mod. If you're not calling for changing direction to no longer end your docking invulnerability, your suggestion for the prop modules is moot because they'll just tackle you as soon as you change direction (or you'd use an insta-undock, which renders the whole thing moot). "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
3173
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Posted - 2013.09.07 07:27:00 -
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Elvis Preslie wrote:Let people that know how to play, play. I dont tell you how to play the game but you should learn how to use the tactic I'm referring to before refuting it; from your post, you know nothing about frag warping. We call it insta-undocking. I am well aware of it and take full advantage of it whenever I can.
Elvis Preslie wrote:you cant put a instaundock bookmark for every system. you should be able to use tactics to travel to any system "safely", notice i quotated safely as its only as safe as your tactics make it. Sorry... but the way I look at it is; there should be advantages for being a "regular" in an area. Currently, one of them is having lots of bookmarks to give you a better tactical edge. I fail to see why someone who is just "strolling" through my area and hasn't spent the time to set up the same tactical edges should be given similar options.
Elvis Preslie wrote:You must expect kills to be handed to you on a silver platter Hardly the case. I just don't see why you should be able to take advantage of my rather luxurious low-sec station and be able to easily get out without preparing yourself properly.
Elvis Preslie wrote:Its not about being camped; its about being in a low sec system that you've never been to before. YOu should have tactics available to get out of most any situation, as long as you're good at playing the game. I disagree. If you go to a place you have never been to before you should expect bad situations you find yourself in to be extremely difficult to get out of... seeing as how you did not prepare for them.
Elvis Preslie wrote:No one should be guaranteed to get a kill NOR should anyone be guaranteed to be killed in any situation. I agree with the first statement... disagree with the second. Treating each time you undock as if it is your last makes for a FAR more interesting game than everyone trying to avoid everyone and anything they don't like.
If anything... I feel all stations should be turned into "push out" ones where you are well outside docking range after your docking timer has ended. But that's just my fantasy.
And yes, I'm well aware that I too would get killed far more often than I do now if such a thing came to pass. But hey... it would certainly end "docking games," wouldn't it? Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
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