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Acica Dy'neer	Posted - 2006.01.03 20:36:00 - [1] I picked up an Iteron Mark III a few days ago (I wanted to move a lot of stuff) and thought I'd used it for my occasional mining excursions. I don't frequent low-security space for mining at this point (certainly not in that boat!) but was curious if anyone had any suggestions on whether it's worth it to mine in this thing. (Yes, I realize that all the farmers are using it). What modules to fit? Skills to use? Whether it's worth the time, given I have the ship and the skills to fly it? My biggest issue is the thing is slow, lumbering, and with a mining laser fitted -- defenseless. It's got another high slot, but I can't fit another turret, and it's got no drone bays. I figured some armor repairers (it does have a decent amount of armor) and maybe a jammer or scrambler of some sort would be about it. Any suggestions?
Gralatus	Posted - 2006.01.03 20:39:00 - [2] Mining in an industrial isn't to uncommon in high sec systems. As you noted, it has no defenses so even a small rat spawn will run you off. If you want to "afk" mine in an industrial, just park it in a 1.0 or 0.9 systems and mine some veld with it. Otherwise, it'll just get ganked by pirates or rats. gral
Acica Dy'neer	Posted - 2006.01.03 20:45:00 - [3] That's what I thought. I had the boat and didn't want to sell it (too nice for moves and it wasn't that expensive), so I figured I'd do some low-end mining. I don't play AFK, though. I do occasionally play while reading a book or surfing the web. I'm just not ready to jump to Cruisers yet (I'd like to get certain skills a bit higher first, in any case) so I was looking to making mining a bit more fun than in my Imicus.
Great Wandell	Posted - 2006.01.03 21:03:00 - [4] An iteron III can shield tank rats down to 0.7 with only a sheild booster 1, probably lower, as it's easy in 0.7, I cruised between 3 secure cans 15k apart barely being hurt by the rats. I don't now if it can "afk tank" you'd probably needs some fancy cap recharge boosters.
Simon Jax	Posted - 2006.01.03 21:36:00 - [5] If you want to do some fairly efficient high-sec mining get and train the Anchoring skill. Grab one or two Giant Secure Containers, park 'em less than 10k from some decent asteroids. Since you're Gallentian fit a Navitas with a couple of decent mining lasers, a Shield Booster, and a Scout Drone. Warp to your cans, mine the best asteroid in range and occasionally move loot from cargo to Can. When you fill one can, move to the other, when it's full grab your Ity III, pick up the ore if there are still asteroids nearby, and return it to station and swap back for the Navitas. If you aren't playing afk, this works well. Just have to move ore on occasion and shift about. The Navitas gets a bonus to mining efficiency from Frigate Level, and with 2 lasers the time you'll save filling the cans well exceeds the time spent swaping to the hauler and picking up your goods. I've done this quite a bit, and I've never had belt rats break through my shields/boost before the Scout Drone eliminates them in 0.8 space. Better rocks in 0.8 than 0.9/1.0. I've wanted to try it in 0.7, but haven't yet. Heh, maybe there's a better way? But this worked way faster for me than trying to mine with the Ity.
Simon Jax	Posted - 2006.01.03 21:36:00 - [6] If you want to do some fairly efficient high-sec mining get and train the Anchoring skill. Grab one or twoEVE Online \| EVE Insider \| Forums
RonVonDoom	Posted - 2006.01.03 21:49:00 - [7] Stay in the higher security areas. I was mining with a Mark I (0.6? space). I got stuck on an asteroid while warping and couldn't warp out in time so the NPC rats got me. I find it's quicker to mine with 3-4 mining lasers on my cruiser, jetison the can and come back with the Iteron.
Acica Dy'neer	Posted - 2006.01.03 22:06:00 - [8] I've got an Imicus kitted out for mining -- I can swap the mining drones for light scout drones (I'm only up to DI 3/5 right now -- defintely like my drones) and can do the Giant Secure Canistor thing. The Imicus mines quickly, and with shield boosters and the scout drones I can deal with most rats easily. What skills do you need for the giant secure cans? I'd be a lot happier mining down in .6 or .7 space with that setup, and using the industrial to retrieve the can contents (I can certainly shield boost and armor repair long enough to open some cans).
Simon Jax	Posted - 2006.01.03 23:14:00 - [9] Originally by: Acica Dy'neer I've got an Imicus kitted out for mining -- I can swap the mining drones for light scout drones (I'm only up to DI 3/5 right now -- defintely like my drones) and can do the Giant Secure Canistor thing. The Imicus mines quickly, and with shield boosters and the scout drones I can deal with most rats easily. What skills do you need for the giant secure cans? I'd be a lot happier mining down in .6 or .7 space with that setup, and using the industrial to retrieve the can contents (I can certainly shield boost and armor repair long enough to open some cans). Just the Anchoring skill (under Corporation Management)for the cans. The mining will likely go slower in the Imicus, as IIRC it lacks the bonus to mining laser yield that the Navitas has. But the additional drones should keep you a fair bit safer in 0.7 space.
Drizit	Posted - 2006.01.04 00:35:00 - [10] I was tanking rats in an Iteron V while mining in 0.7 deadspace. I found some nice Omber and soon realised that the rats don't hit very hard or frequently once they get in close so you can pretty much ignore them with the occasional blip on the boosters. You can mount Miner II lasers on the Iteron to make mining a bit quicker and a small shield booster is about all you really need. A nice power core diagnostic (type E or similar) can boost shields, cap, and powergrid as well as a boost to recharge rate of cap and shield. So this is a pretty good investment if you want to go mining in an Indy and need to tank a rat or two. -- My idea of an OS is one that Operates the System, not a complete package of every piece of software ever written.
matoni	Posted - 2006.01.04 05:37:00 - [11] Nobody mines with an Iteron. It can only fit one single mining laser. Even an Imicus mines twice as fast. Find a quiet system, get in range of as many roids as you can, and start mining with the ship that can fit several lasers. Jettison the ore, and open the jettisoned canister. Keep dragging the ore over from your cargo bay to the can. The jet can will last an hour or more and can hold 27.5k m3 of ore. Once you feel you have mined enough, warp to station and change ships: the industrial ship is used to haul the ore from the can to the station. Nobody mines with a hauler.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.01.04 05:44:00 - [12] Edited by: Nikolai Nuvolari on 04/01/2006 05:44:17 Originally by: matoni Nobody mines with an Iteron. I have an Iteron Mk V. Sometimes I fit it with a full set of cargo expanders and a Miner II. Then I lock a huge Veldspar asteroid, activate the mining laser, and go read a book or surf the internet. I just disproved your claim. ----------------------------------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw
Tony Fats	Posted - 2006.01.04 08:42:00 - [13] Find a nice quiet system with few people, build a home there. Use your industrial to move some secure containers to the local roid field. Anchor them all around the roid field. Now grab your imicus or whatever, mine into the secure containers. When you fill one, move on to the next one. When they are all filled, grab your indy, and empty the cans, take the ore back to base, refine it, stockpile it. You can build ships for yourself with that ore, or you can sell a portion for hard currency. Take all your modules and stockpile them in the same base. Buy 6 station containers. Label them Hi, Low, Mid, Ammo, Misc, and Minerals. Anything you acquire in game, bring it to that homebase. Make sure the homebase is in an empire that you plan to remain friendly with forever. Make instas of your area. Make it home. Recon the neighbors. If you're a builder, start offering your goods to the locall area so they don't have to hump 10 jumps away just to buy some ammo. Junk modules get melted down and stuck with the minerals. If you feel like ratting, go into the roids and kill rats, or find one of the nearby complexes, or use a local agent. No matter what happens, that's your personal HQ. Make sure you always have a mining cruiser there to fall back on during hard times.
Acica Dy'neer	Posted - 2006.01.04 18:33:00 - [14] That's not a bad idea. I want to get ten or so jumps away from the newbie area anyways. I was considering switching to a Navitas, but I'd rather have the slower mining on the Imicus with the ability to hold three light drones. I've got Drone Interfacing up to 3, and Combat and Armor up to 2 or 3 each. Those have certainly been up to handling the minor rats I've run into -- but will they stand up to the random rat spawns in .5 and .6 space? My idea was, basically, to anchor a giant cannistor or two, then sit next to it and mine the snot out of any decent asteroid within 12k, shoving it into the can as fast as I mined it. Then when it was full, moving to the next. The finally bringing the Iteron in to empty the cans and drag it back to a local base of some sort. Currently my mining and refining are up to 3, and I'm looking at a mixed career -- some manufacturing and some fighting. A slower progression, I know, but I don't get bored as I can switch back and forth. What level space would I be safe mining in with the Imicus with three drones? .7? .6? (I was in my iteron last night and found some golden omber in .5 space -- the disappearing 'roids had be well afield. Had to run with a rat spawned.).
Gaius Sejanus	Posted - 2006.01.04 20:08:00 - [15] A pair of hobgoblins with just-enough-skill-to-use-2-drones is far more than you need to be in .6 space. The jump in belt rat difficulty between .6 and .5 is pretty small, and the hobs should be plenty for there as well. I'd probably do it with a single hobgoblin in a Navitas, actually. The mining speed increase of the Nav is just far to potent to ignore.
Simon Jax	Posted - 2006.01.04 20:35:00 - [16] Also, just to point it out. Don't ever forget that space is THREE DIMENTIONAL. Sometimes the best place for a can is above or below the belt ... not always right in it.
Acica Dy'neer	Posted - 2006.01.04 20:41:00 - [17] Edited by: Acica Dy''neer on 04/01/2006 20:42:57 Well, I can run a single medium drone and a Hobgoblin, or three Hobgoblins (I prefer the latter). But if that's good for 0.5 space, I'll be happy. I realize the Navitus has a big boost to mining (a huge boost to mining) but I think I'd prefer to spend the extra time and be able to deal with belt rats faster. I'm a little overly cautious, but I'm also in no hurry. And in any case, I'm training drones up for a reason -- I like drones. Which reminds me, I need to figure out how I want to outfit my Vexor (which I haven't actually bought yet!). I tend to mine while reading a book or surfing anyways. I guess tonight I'm going to locate a nice system in Gallente space, maybe with a decent security agent (I hate to leave my current one, but she's like -16, and I only have 1k of points built up with her) in system or close by, and a system with a med center, reprocessing plant, and repairshop -- and lab and manufacturing facilities close by. So far all I manufacturer is thorium ammo (seemed like a good choice to start toying with the system), but do plan to branch out. And some .5 to .8 sectors only a few jumps away. I'd prefer not to set up lower than .8 for my "home base".
Acica Dy'neer	Posted - 2006.01.04 20:49:00 - [18] Quick question -- do you have to strip your fittings out of a ship before you repackage it? (I would guess yes).
Simon Jax	Posted - 2006.01.04 21:04:00 - [19] Originally by: Acica Dy'neer Quick question -- do you have to strip your fittings out of a ship before you repackage it? (I would guess yes). Repackaging automatically strips your fitting. You don't have to do it manually.
Scroyall	Posted - 2006.01.04 22:05:00 - [20] Quote: Find a quiet system, get in range of as many roids as you can, and start mining with the ship that can fit several lasers. Jettison the ore, and open the jettisoned canister. Keep dragging the ore over from your cargo bay to the can. The jet can will last an hour or more and can hold 27.5k m3 of ore. Once you feel you have mined enough, warp to station and change ships: the industrial ship is used to haul the ore from the can to the station. This is a nice method in a quiet system, but remember, with the easy pickings from farmers and newbies AFK in high sec, ore theif isn't such an uncommon job description anymore. Secure cans are probably safest, if you can get 'em.
Acica Dy'neer	Posted - 2006.01.04 22:14:00 - [21] Edited by: Acica Dy''neer on 04/01/2006 22:15:09 Quote: This is a nice method in a quiet system, but remember, with the easy pickings from farmers and newbies AFK in high sec, ore theif isn't such an uncommon job description anymore. Secure cans are probably safest, if you can get 'em. I was planning on picking up a giant secure can or two in the next day or so, as soon as I locate a new system to move to. If not, I do know a .5 system not too far from where I am with some silver and gold omber.....probably gone by now, though.
Simon Jax	Posted - 2006.01.04 22:27:00 - [22] Just another word-of-warning. Remember that Secure Containers hold 20% more than they take up in your hold. So if you have 6,000m3 of cargo room you can haul out the two (3k ea) Giant Secure containers and drop 'em off. But if you go to pick up just the Ore intending to leave the containers in place you'd need 7,200 m3 (3,600 ea) available to haul it!
Acica Dy'neer	Posted - 2006.01.04 22:30:00 - [23] Originally by: Simon Jax Just another word-of-warning. Remember that Secure Containers hold 20% more than they take up in your hold. So if you have 6,000m3 of cargo room you can haul out the two (3k ea) Giant Secure containers and drop 'em off. But if you go to pick up just the Ore intending to leave the containers in place you'd need 7,200 m3 (3,600 ea) available to haul it! My Iteron III with dual cargo expanders will hold that much, I believe.
Rowgue	Posted - 2006.01.05 21:41:00 - [24] I have also shield tanked in as low as .6 in my Bestower with only shield booster I and a Cap recharge bonus module (can't remember the exact name for it). I was able to sit there and take it from 4 rats at a time with little trouble until I completely filled my hold. Industrials can definately be used for mining in higher security space. And considering that none of the frigates available to me can handle more than one mining laser II anyway due to cpu constraints it's just as fast as any other setup I can use until I qualify for barges.
Corunna ElMan	Posted - 2006.01.06 03:42:00 - [25] If you can use an industrial, you can use your race's mining frigate - which can easily mount two Miner IIs. Look into training up Electronics skill and if necessary, installing a coprocessor in a low slot. It will double your yield, and if it hasn't occured to you, your wealth from mining.
Darkdashing	Posted - 2006.01.13 11:07:00 - [26] Originally by: Corunna ElMan If you can use an industrial, you can use your race's mining frigate - which can easily mount two Miner IIs. Look into training up Electronics skill and if necessary, installing a coprocessor in a low slot. It will double your yield, and if it hasn't occured to you, your wealth from mining. what is the skill for that? And what is the item called for mining co processor? Also, does anyone know the maximum time a giant secure container stays in a space for? I know a jet can is 1 hour, whats the max time for a secure can? There is beauty in tension....
Simon Jax	Posted - 2006.01.13 15:56:00 - [27] Secure Cans with never "expire" so to speak. An un-anchored Secure Can can be scooped by any other player in a Frigate, whereas an anchored can is pretty much a permanent feature of the landscape. You can only anchor Secure Cans in 0.7 space and lower, and in unsecure space (<0.5), they can be destroyed by Player Pirates. --Wherever you go, there you are.

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