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Azeroth Uluntil	Posted - 2006.01.04 15:19:00 - [31] Originally by: Ripp Tyde Quote: I've considered joining before, but I haven't outgrown my usefulness yet where I am. :-) Ur useLESS not useFULL lol Bout time you slow ass old goat. :p Been waiting for a post from you for ages!
Alberta	Posted - 2006.01.04 17:18:00 - [32] Originally by: Halseth Durn Originally by: nails Why did Jade get banned? or am I even allowed to ask that question. I'm so out of the politics it's not even funny. Trust me. Don't ask. It had something to do with pointing out over use of a smiley notably missing from this post. My Thoughts on Game Balance
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.01.04 19:34:00 - [33] well i'm not fond of nbsi politics and unclaimed regions as pure blind is, as you never know who will shoot you and who won't... And most of all... i think we all like JF guys... as a target. Oh and btw, i'd like to know why Jade C. was banned. (i'm serious about it) HatePeace LoveWar[ATUK] > they ebayed the bs for grain
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2006.01.04 19:43:00 - [34] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 04/01/2006 19:44:36 Originally by: LUKEC well i'm not fond of nbsi politics and unclaimed regions as pure blind is, as you never know who will shoot you and who won't... And most of all... i think we all like JF guys... as a target. To be honest LukeC I think the reason the north like's fighting us is because they know we are in for the long haul, we won't be going anywhere, we won't change our politics or colours and we're always up for a fight. Fighting Jericho Fraction is a very enjoyable experience for anyone that tries it. We don't run-away, we always fight even odds, we normally accept 1v1s and we always respect the courage of opponents. Compare and constrast with standard alliance warfare and you can kinda understand why we are the primary target for the unified territorialist north can't you? Fight Jericho Fraction means you'll get a fight and you won't ever get outblobbed. Fairly straightforward. No mystery there. PS. Any northern imperialist tyrants fancy a 1v1 vs me drop me an evemail. And lets dance in X-7o ... I'm here all month _________________ Shoot Tyrants - join Jericho Fraction!
Riley Craven	Posted - 2006.01.04 19:45:00 - [35] Originally by: Azeroth Uluntil Originally by: Ripp Tyde Quote: I've considered joining before, but I haven't outgrown my usefulness yet where I am. :-) Ur useLESS not useFULL lol Bout time you slow ass old goat. :p Been waiting for a post from you for ages! I personally laugh at both of you :P
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.01.04 20:22:00 - [36] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine ... Now answer me why Jade C. was banned plz... i really want to know :) HatePeace LoveWar[ATUK] > they ebayed the bs for grain
Veskrashen	Posted - 2006.01.04 23:05:00 - [37] Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Jasmine Constantine ... Now answer me why Jade C. was banned plz... i really want to know :) Sorry, but discussion of moderation is bannable and all that. You're more than welcome to hop on over to our own forums and ask Jade yourself, of course.
Ice Tray	Posted - 2006.01.05 01:00:00 - [38] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 04/01/2006 19:44:36 Originally by: LUKEC well i'm not fond of nbsi politics and unclaimed regions as pure blind is, as you never know who will shoot you and who won't... And most of all... i think we all like JF guys... as a target. To be honest LukeC I think the reason the north like's fighting us is because they know we are in for the long haul, we won't be going anywhere, we won't change our politics or colours and we're always up for a fight. Fighting Jericho Fraction is a very enjoyable experience for anyone that tries it. For me anyway. Your a target because your annoying. The countless post about the Northern Tryrants this, the EBIL Oppressors of the North that. I seriously think you gained more enemies during the GNW than gained because of your posts. Its always fun to shoot the long winded.
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2006.01.05 01:57:00 - [39] Originally by: Ice Tray For me anyway. Your a target because your annoying. The countless post about the Northern Tryrants this, the EBIL Oppressors of the North that. I seriously think you gained more enemies during the GNW than gained because of your posts. Its always fun to shoot the long winded. See the thing is we annoy you because you can't shut us up I think. Doesn't matter how powerful your alliance is and how many thousand drones you get following your flag, you just can't silence independent people. And thats really annoying for imperialists. I've no doubt that if we were a good little corp and did whatever you said when you said it hardly anyone would be shooting us but what fun would that be? Like I said earlier, Jericho is massively unusual in Eve because we stand for something, we keep our honour and our position and we never yield to alliance pressure. Sure we may not be the best pvpers in the game, and we're surely not the biggest blobbers but on our day we can beat anyone in Eve in a couple of skirmishes and we can always bloody the nose of tyrants. And thats pretty annoying for the tyrants mate I'll grant you that Still now with BoB going home ya'll have the perfect chance to camp X-7o with 10001 tech1 cruisers and copy bookmarks in the Sanctuary School to annoy us and see if that works out for you Enjoy! _________________ Shoot Tyrants - join Jericho Fraction!
Ice Tray	Posted - 2006.01.05 02:12:00 - [40] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Ice Tray For me anyway. Your a target because your annoying. The countless post about the Northern Tryrants this, the EBIL Oppressors of the North that. I seriously think you gained more enemies during the GNW than gained because of your posts. Its always fun to shoot the long winded. See the thing is we annoy you because you can't shut us up I think. Doesn't matter how powerful your alliance is and how many thousand drones you get following your flag, you just can't silence independent people. And thats really annoying for imperialists. I've no doubt that if we were a good little corp and did whatever you said when you said it hardly anyone would be shooting us but what fun would that be? Like I said earlier, Jericho is massively unusual in Eve because we stand for something, we keep our honour and our position and we never yield to alliance pressure. Sure we may not be the best pvpers in the game, and we're surely not the biggest blobbers but on our day we can beat anyone in Eve in a couple of skirmishes and we can always bloody the nose of tyrants. And thats pretty annoying for the tyrants mate I'll grant you that Still now with BoB going home ya'll have the perfect chance to camp X-7o with 10001 tech1 cruisers and copy bookmarks in the Sanctuary School to annoy us and see if that works out for you Enjoy! You know, I think your right. I can't shut up my little cousins when they jump around begging me to pay attention to them for something small they just did. That can be annoying sometimes. Thats probably why you post too. Here I am unique and special. Infact, I love you JF. I will now forever look upon you as my lil cuz. Hopefully one day my lil cousins will notice that everyone around them is equally unique, gifted and special. Most of them only trying to have fun in the world, not deserving to be called tryrants. Wait. I think I'm liking the sound of it. Please call me tryrant again. Cousin Tryrant! Pleeeease.
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2006.01.05 02:23:00 - [41] Originally by: Ice Tray You know, I think your right ... Thank you! _________________ Shoot Tyrants - join Jericho Fraction!
Halseth Durn	Posted - 2006.01.05 04:48:00 - [42] JF are the cats pajamas. Don't f&%$ with them. Free you-know-who.
Cmd Woodlouse	Posted - 2006.01.05 05:15:00 - [43] We never felt as "tyrants". Infact we dont have a NBSI policy and would NEVER shoot a neutral corp / entity. We believe in the "good" and are anti pirate. Roaming through a territory, killing npcers - residents of Fade (yes you did that and tbh i dont think haulers are aggressing you). Those ppl are not dictated what to do, infact they get help from us and we from them. They are nice ppl, some of them are new corps who try to make a fortune in 0,0. We gave them the opportunity and still will - aslong as they do not shoot us or our friends all is fine. Thats hardly tyranny isnt it? After i realised, what PA leadership was doing to us in the GNW times, all the blatant lies etc. i was really ashamed and got alot of respect out of JF (Hello Mr. Durn btw. we will not forget that ). Sry to Evol and RKK on a sidenote (we never knew what was going on, even for a long time after we left PA). But now i lost alot of my repsect to Jericho, as your "goals" from that time seem to have changed in a very bad way. Your bitterness is absurd. PA is a totally new alliance than it was back in GNW times. IRON also has reformed and still offers a ****load of small corps and nice ppl a room to live and prosper in - and they hardly give them any rules at all. Infact the residents WANT to kill you. Not, because IRON told them to. No, because they simply dont like you. They dont like you, cause u side along with BOB - a force that is killing anybody, be it the industrialst, the fighter or even totally new pilots trying to make a foothold in deepspace. And they dont like you cause you camp along with pirates in pure blind. Dont deny it, i have more than enough evidence of it. Tbh. this all makes me sad, cause i always liked your idea of free space, no brutal dictatorships and a thriving deepspace. Now your stuck with brutal Corporations, Enslavers and are dictated by your own hate. That being said, your corp is set to KOS status for G Alliance. Personally i stil dont wanna shoot you, but enough is enough, we cant tolerate pirates. And thats what you have degenerated to -G- Pink Power Darko1107 > i'd rather be fat tbh :P
Halseth Durn	Posted - 2006.01.05 05:47:00 - [44] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse After i realised, what PA leadership was doing to us in the GNW times, all the blatant lies etc. i was really ashamed and got alot of respect out of JF (Hello Mr. Durn btw. we will not forget that ). Sry to Evol and RKK on a sidenote (we never knew what was going on, even for a long time after we left PA). Hmm.... Cmd Woodlouse I suspect someone has been whispering lies in your ear since my migration from the north. (It wouldn't be the first time) During my tenyure, PA leadership was never anything but honest with it's member corporations and had nothing but admiration and respect for the difficult job Cataclysm Enterprises was given during the GNW. (the successful subjegation of the hostile Fade region) If you would like to discuss the specifics of what you were told (and didn"t like), please contact me in-game. Because as I once did in the past, I still value your opinion today.
pershphanie	Posted - 2006.01.05 06:00:00 - [45] IMO you are all tyrants
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2006.01.05 06:00:00 - [46] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse We never felt as "tyrants". Infact we dont have a NBSI policy and would NEVER shoot a neutral corp / entity. We believe in the "good" and are anti pirate. Well I've been out of things for a while but I'm told Jericho had neutrality with G for a long while and you guys were respecting the fact we didn't shoot neutrals so you didn't jump for KOS with the rest of the northern pact. So I'm guessing you didn't get called "tyrants". Course IRON and RAZOR and NBSI and wotnot. They didn't really care and shot us anyhow. They probably are a bit tyranty you have to admit. Quote: Roaming through a territory, killing npcers - residents of Fade (yes you did that and tbh i dont think haulers are aggressing you). If you can show me that Jericho fired first on a neutral corp without paying them compensation for the unlawful attack then thats it. I'm out of the corp. Seriously. I'm not a pirate I never was. I don't agree with shooting neutrals and I'm pretty sure thats something JF has never done. But if you are bellyaching that haulers belonging to corps that have shot us first are getting shot in turn then tough, thats different, and its tough for them but they should ask their ceo's not to authorise shooting neutrals first. If you are telling me that I can't strike back against a corp that fires on my corp's members first then you are a tyrant and you can get lost tbh. Quote: They are nice ppl, some of them are new corps who try to make a fortune in 0,0. We gave them the opportunity and still will - aslong as they do not shoot us or our friends all is fine. Thats hardly tyranny isnt it? If they shoot us first they get shot back. If they shoot us cos they don't like who we are friends with then thats tyranny - its them trying to bully us and make us lose our independence. Quote: But now i lost alot of my repsect to Jericho, as your "goals" from that time seem to have changed in a very bad way. Your bitterness is absurd. PA is a totally new alliance than it was back in GNW times. IRON also has reformed and still offers a **load of small corps and nice ppl a room to live and prosper in - and they hardly give them any rules at all. I think you are listening to your RAZOR and IRON buddies too much Cmd Woodlouse. We got over all that nonsense a long time ago. Only bitterness now is in the chatlogs I read of RAZOR guys ranting about how evil we were for fighting the PA in the big war. Quote:** That being said, your corp is set to KOS status for G Alliance. Personally i stil dont wanna shoot you, but enough is enough, we cant tolerate pirates. And thats what you have degenerated to Huzzah, I guess I'm the only non-neutral shooting pirate in Eve Well done G you've really surpassed yourselves with that stupid generalisation. Seriously gimme proof that JF has committed acts of piracy and shot neutrals and I'm out. _________________ Shoot Tyrants - join Jericho Fraction!
Halseth Durn	Posted - 2006.01.05 06:21:00 - [47] Actually Jasmine, it would only have been "tyrany" if they had held a gun to their head and told them to KOS you. Giving them an option to get something they may want lays under the category of "democracy" and "free will". Aren't those ideals JF are supposed to hold above all others?
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.01.05 06:33:00 - [48] "Actually Jasmine, it would only have been "tyrany" if they had held a gun to their head and told them to KOS you. Giving them an option to get something they may want lays under the category of "democracy" and "free will"." Actually... giving choice to the effect "shoot these guys or get the hell out, and if you don't do either then we will shoot you (and we are bigger than the guy we tell you to shoot)" ... that's not much of democracy or free will there. More of a bully throwing their weight around. but maybe that's what passes for democracy in Oberon -.o
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2006.01.05 06:35:00 - [49] Originally by: Halseth Durn Actually Jasmine, it would only have been "tyrany" if they had held a gun to their head and told them to KOS you. Giving them an option to get something they may want lays under the category of "democracy" and "free will". Aren't those ideals JF are supposed to hold above all others? Interesting point of debate that Halseth. But telling one neutral corp they have to -10 KOS another neutral corp as the price of mining ores is not exactly the kind of shining goody-two-shoes conduct CMD Woodlouse was on about was it? Looking at the Jericho Forum there's actually a long history of tolerence between UCC and JF apparently prior to the IRON ore price stuff. I spose you could consider it like a Merc contract or something but even that is a long way from Woodlouse's assertion that those Dek guys are reaching their own ethical and moral judgements isn't it? _________________ Shoot Tyrants - join Jericho Fraction!
Halseth Durn	Posted - 2006.01.05 07:53:00 - [50] Edited by: Halseth Durn on 05/01/2006 07:56:32 Whoa! I'm just saying that no one was forcing them to seek their fortunes in Deklien. This corp asked for something, a price was set and they then had to make the logicical, practical (and even a moral) decision whether or not that price was too high for them. (Hint: key words in that last sentence have been bolded) From what you said, it sounds like they made the wrong choice and got their asses handed to them by JF. A situation that obviously highlights EVEs greatests features: CHOICE, RISK, and CONSEQUENCES. Congrats to all involved, you have enjoyed the best this game has to offer. Your subscription was well spent.
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.01.05 08:45:00 - [51] Its a pretty simple thing,IRON shoots JF for holding standings positive to BoB,Iron over steps its bounds and authority into Pure Blind,which we all aggree is free space,no one wants it tbh,everyone doesn't care about the ethics of it since its JF,Razor are still sore over GNW,enough said there. G follows suite eventually to kos iron,I smell back room politics and bad info tbh,Woodlouse do the right thing and dig deeper into this debacle. To Halseth,yes they wanted into Dek,tho they were forced to chose the lesser of two evils,JF or IRON and they chose to shoot JF. The people who think RMR is cool are coincidently the same people who paid to see Gili.
Mallik Hendrake	Posted - 2006.01.05 11:49:00 - [52] Now I'm not an IRON director but I know for a fact we don't drum up groups of newbies and send them off alone to fight veterans in Pure Blind, which we don't even really claim. We patrol the routes to keep them clear of pirates (and anyone who might be shooting us - JF and BOB for instancs), but we usually have better things to do than camp JF in Pure blind. Some people take the rules to heart and try to make a name for themselves, and that's nice, but in general the 'rules' are a lot slimmer than people think. We do not fire people up and send them out to attack and there's no rule that suggests that Deklein residents have to fight in our offensives. We expect folks to -contribute fighters to defend Deklein -hold the same standings as us Deklein and Fade have a huge diverse population of free corps that contribute nothing other than ore tax and joining in defense fleets, and neither we nor G send them out to do our dirty work. We hold the same standings because if we don't then we don't know who is gonna shoot us or our friends. Jericho are persona non grata in Dek & Fade because they regularly roll through both areas shooting anyone they have at negatives, despite the standings these groups hold with G or IRON. They think they carry their own free space with them, and because they're neutral to G or IRON that they don't have to respect the rules of their territory. Even when we were neutral with JF, what would they have done if they'd spotted some juicy PA hauler in Deklein? Would they have left it be out of respect for our standing? I am thinking not. And that's why you guys are thought of as pirates - you don't respect anyone or anything, and you act like your free space mumbo jumbo gives you the right to do whatever you please wherever. Including keeping Pure Blind free by palling around with folks who shoot just plain everyone (BOB, misc pirate corps). IRON and G do not kill neutrals in pure blind - admittedly we have a whole big sack of negative standings, but at least we can say that much. You guys might not kill neutrals except by being an accessory, but 'accessory to murder' is still bad news. -------------------------------------------- "A plan is just a list of things that don't happen." -- Parker, _The Way of the Gun_ Mallik Hendrake E X O D U S [I do not speak for E X O or IRON]
Petite Pierre	Posted - 2006.01.05 11:56:00 - [53] Edited by: Petite Pierre on 05/01/2006 11:57:46 RAZOR is anything but sore over the GNW, or JF involvment in that event. RAZOR dislikes lies, un-truthful propaganda, pirates and double standards. That's it. That is the only reason JF is still -10 to RAZOR. I feel the need to specify that RAZOR acts on its ideals of freespace, we do not impose standings to anyone, no matter what JF babbles on the forums. Thank you. edit: spelling. -------------------- "With Bart, we laugh to keep the bile down. With Bugs, we just laughed."
WilfredTheSmart	Posted - 2006.01.05 12:02:00 - [54] to: Lukec If we posted the reasons to Jades Ban this thread would be locked immediately. I dont want to say a lot more because I have 2 warning for dissent so far and dont want anymore tbh. To: all griefers that say we dock 24/7 Bullcrap - gives us a 40/60 chance and we'll be there unlike some of the blobs you encounter. Do we fight - yes - Ask the razor pilot that lost his Zealot the other day when at least 8 of them jumped our band of 5. Mind we did lose a BB and a tempest - fair exchange I concede. Did we run - not before we downed the zealot. Mind I was in a pod by the that time but hey aint that what eve is all about and EW rigs are always primaries If we camped with friends of ours (which is not often) we still do not target neutrals however -I Konw you FE guys find that hard to believe - its called ROE and some discipline Wilf
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.01.05 12:08:00 - [55] Seriously I was in JF not 2 weeks ago and yes i camped with BoB to gank IRON, as far as fighting is concerned yes they fight and rarely stay docked,secondly think on this 1 corp vs fe/Iron/G/PA/NBSI/Razor ((whenever they themselves undock)) The people who think RMR is cool are coincidently the same people who paid to see Gili.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.01.05 12:09:00 - [56] To Jasmine C. : Can you show me tyrants in PA? Or NBSI? Dunno much about FE leadership, but persh was kinnda cool on their TS 3 months ago :) and far from any ebil tyrant pointing gun at their pilots heads. Maybe they are not tyrants, but someone has to lead and people follow, because they don't care about politics too much, but if they see ATUK around(or BOB or anyone else that is shooting them), they want to get rid of them. And those 'tyrants' as you call them are trying to do it. Now ofc. you need excuse for your hostilities in pb, and venal, but... how come that ATUK likes you? I tought .5. was far more dictatorial than any other alliance.... To summarize: All north is shooting JF with smiles on their faces. I guess it is work of god misleading all his sheeps. HatePeace LoveWar[ATUK] > they ebayed the bs for grain
Nooey	Posted - 2006.01.05 12:20:00 - [57] Originally by: Mallik Hendrake Now I'm not an IRON director but I know for a fact we don't drum up groups of newbies...Deklein and Fade have a huge diverse population of free corps that contribute nothing other than ore tax and joining in defense fleets, and...we [dont]...send them out to do our dirty work. Why do neutral corps attack us then? And explicitly claim they've been ordered to do so by IRON because you tell them we attack neutral Deklein residents? Why are you outright lying to neutrals and putting the idea in their heads that we would impede their lives in 0.0? Answer me that one question, and I'll resign from Jericho and come haul for your Crok sucking operations every waking day of the rest of my Eve Career. Originally by: Mallik Hendrake Even when we were neutral with JF, what would they have done if they'd spotted some juicy PA hauler in Deklein? Would they have left it be out of respect for our standing? I am thinking not. Would you let us shoot it out of respect for our standings? I am thinking not. My Double-Standings-O-Meter just exploded. Originally by: Mallik Hendrake You guys might not kill neutrals except by being an accessory, but 'accessory to murder' is still bad news. We never said we'd protect neutrals. Never. Ever. We make no apology for this. We will educate a neutral as to how to be free by their own volition, but we will not enslave ourselves as police to protect sheep from wolves. Our belief is that everyone has to be their own wolf. The second you depend on someone else for your freedom, you are already enslaved. Simple. As. That.
Thorsten Kabrinski	Posted - 2006.01.05 12:30:00 - [58] OMG see what you started...another oberon<>JF-thread... remembers the old days WAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh runs avoid the forums, JF is back posting..... out of sight hm....need a new sig :p
d4ve	Posted - 2006.01.05 13:15:00 - [59] Originally by: Nooey Originally by: Mallik Hendrake Even when we were neutral with JF, what would they have done if they'd spotted some juicy PA hauler in Deklein? Would they have left it be out of respect for our standing? I am thinking not. Would you let us shoot it out of respect for our standings? I am thinking not. My Double-Standings-O-Meter just exploded. difference here is that while JF doesnt claim any space iron does. we do think that pilots with good standings to us should be safe in our space. at least from other pilots that also have good standings to us. this might not be entirely clear. let me give you my idea of how the suggested +/- standings we give to resident corps should work. +: dont shoot these guys, you might get in trouble for doing it. -: dont get too close to these guys if you are on your own, youll probably get shot at without warning (and that statement is most often made from prior experience of the corp). if they on top of that makes an organised effort to rid the region of our enemies it is only positive. aside from that i think Mallik Hendrake explained things quite nicely.
Maud Dib	Posted - 2006.01.05 13:52:00 - [60] Edited by: Maud Dib on 05/01/2006 13:54:11 Let's be honest here, being set to KOS by Alliance is mostly worthless. You are already KOS for most of them if you are in "their" space at all. Almost all of them will only hunt in large blobs so yeah you might get camped in a station every so often but crap happens. The ones who do hunt alone or in small groups are the ones worth fighting anyway so if you meet them then you both won. The history of EVE is littered with Alliance corpses. A year form now how many of the Alliances will have either reformed with new members, been ripped apart by civil war or WTFBBQ'd by some group that hasn't even formed yet? History says a good number of them will be gone by then. Being KOS'd by any Alliance is like having a bad case of gas. It can be annoying and uncomfortable but in the end the root cause just blows away. PS Anybody that says Jericho are pirates is too stupid to live. I wish we were pirates. I pray to the gods every day that Jade will lead us on an drunken orgy of wanton destruction. Sadly though most of the people in Jericho have ideals, ideals that don't let them do the very thing they are accused of. Shooting someone you like is not piracy. PPS Hey Hal how goes it? editted to say hello to Hall

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