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Hungry Eyes Ministry of War Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2011.10.29 23:06:00 - [31] - Quote if they do this through Nex, they will enrage the community and they know it. anyway, id LOVE preset skins for each ship. i have no problem with that at all.
BLACK-STAR 193	Posted - 2011.10.29 23:09:00 - [32] - Quote cerbus wrote: BLACK-STAR wrote: The idea is cool and would be awesome, but is a whole new EVE frontier to surpass the v3. Not happening for years. if this were possible, CCP would have already implemented visuals of hull/battle damage (like in a FPS game of bullet marks on a wall, but instead on a ship, or overshooting your ship). This is a later step and CCP spoke too soon, ahead of themselves. They been able to do custom colour palettes for years (and i mean years) without any new texturing methods, they just don't want to do it outside of nex it seems. true I don't doubt it at all, even our carbon characters are preset color palettes, and the corporation creation emblems are all preset colors and graphics. That's the waste if they go through, we only get a presets of a few models. Just look at the NEX Store, hardly anything there to buy, only under 20 items over the year, how could CCP promise us multiple skins of ships with a dozen unique preset models? Not at this rate they cant, they're way too slow to introduce this now and will meet a bitter fail compared to the failure of this WiS catastrophe. This is just a totally dead wish and CCP cannot promise this. They can promise a lot of things, but simply just forget or fail. [img]http://www.imgbox.de/users/S7AR/star.png[/img]
Pr1ncess Alia Perkone Caldari State 46	Posted - 2011.10.29 23:57:00 - [33] - Quote I want this painted as this.
Hershman G-Weezy 40	Posted - 2011.10.30 01:42:00 - [34] - Quote Tristan North wrote: 350 m to paint 7 ships? And new players can't do it without pay with real money? Incorrect. The answer is 21. 350m isk = 1 PLEX = 3,500 AUR - (3,500/500) * 3 = 21 Painted ships or 16.6m ISK per Ship Tristan North wrote: Much ego huh? No, not much ego. Much pride. Earning your metaphorical 'stripes' and showing your metaphorical 'colors.' Much Pride... Hungry Eyes wrote: if they do this through Nex, they will enrage the community and they know it. anyway, id LOVE preset skins for each ship. i have no problem with that at all. Let the grown ups handle the decisions, Hungry Eyes. CCP devs are mature enough not to be afraid to 'enrage' you by doing the right thing.
Moistmuffin RKHT Precision Operation of Dynamic Systems 0	Posted - 2011.10.30 01:47:00 - [35] - Quote I actually have a fairly high threshold for what I would pay (in ISK or Plex/Money) if I could color my ship Pink and Black. I created Ave Molech and I love ponies.
Hershman G-Weezy 40	Posted - 2011.10.30 01:50:00 - [36] - Quote Yep, most players would shell out tons of isk to show off a pink/black battlecruiser or frig. Heck, I know I would.
Pr1ncess Alia Perkone Caldari State 46	Posted - 2011.10.30 01:55:00 - [37] - Quote Hershman wrote: Yep, most players would shell out tons of isk to show off a pink/black battlecruiser or frig. Heck, I know I would. Yet when given the opportunity to have players throw money at them they said: "Let's make dresses and boots and shirts!!!!!" I know bowls of pudding that could manage CCP better than Hilmar.
Hershman G-Weezy 40	Posted - 2011.10.30 01:59:00 - [38] - Quote Lol, joking aside you gotta give him credit. Dresses and boots do make things more accessible to more customers
Hershman G-Weezy 40	Posted - 2011.11.01 14:26:00 - [39] - Quote http://wiki.eveonline.com/wikiEN/images/thumb/b/b7/Freki.png/250px-Freki.png All shall fear the black death!
Tijai Betula Ontogenic Achronycal PLC 1	Posted - 2011.11.01 16:00:00 - [40] - Quote Like the first idea with the fitting slots, but no. This would only populate New Eden with sad stick which will be the pink deimos. Do we really need to see that everywhere ? Guess it will show up the capsuleers with 'issues'
Hershman G-Weezy 108	Posted - 2011.11.01 16:05:00 - [41] - Quote Tijai Betula wrote: This would only populate New Eden with sad stick which will be the pink deimos. Not if ship painting costs a substantial amount of isk or aur
RUS Comannder Tremor Recorded Variable Enterprise Training Standards 13	Posted - 2011.12.24 11:43:00 - [42] - Quote One thing about ship painting - you can bet there will be NO BLUE - as it does not exist in the Icelandic color wheel. Seen any blue clothing that really looks black unitl you tweak your screen jussstttt right? I have seen a nicely shaded blue leather jacket, but that was on a female character in a sales splash, C'mon CCP - whatup with the boycott of blue? oh yeah - visit the NASA site and view many beautiful pictures of BLUE skies. I've never seen a space cloud in any of the Hubbell pix or skies of predominant brown, or brown and green... I get depressed with some blue... I know all of you didn't enjoy reading this - BUT YOU DID!!! I certainly enjoyed this DT. Fly safe - or not,,,
Valei Khurelem Viziam Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2011.12.24 12:02:00 - [43] - Quote I really want to see a proper painting tool for spaceships in this game and I'm talking about a spectrum not just a bunch of crappy colours no one wants, on top of that we should be able to select a bunch of different camo patterns and decide where the corporate/alliance logo should go too. Oh and if you put this on the Nex store for -ú50 and you can only access the interface once for that much ( I know the asshats at CCP are going to be thinking about this ) I will not unsubscribe, I will find a way to systematically grief and gank every single player off the server until there is only me left. :) But seriously, I'd be very grateful if you didn't put this on the nex store, you guys will earn way more money over the long term just by adding free content like you should be doing for the amount of money you already charge.
Skorpynekomimi E.A.D Alliance Omega Vector 18	Posted - 2011.12.24 12:08:00 - [44] - Quote I'd either paint every part a different, vividly bright shade, or go jet black with white dots. What about changing the engine trail colours and effects? Could I fly a Rifter that craps trails of sparkles?
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction 1027	Posted - 2011.12.24 12:13:00 - [45] - Quote its a big issue for CCP this one. There is a high danger if they tried to introduce Ship skins through the NeX store then a lot of the bad feelings and player rage from last summer will come back because it does represent the creeping contamination of overt paywall microtransactions Eve online. It also makes people question the value of their subscriptions which though remaining constant are no longer covering all the content. (Think of it in terms of subscription to a tv sports channel where you expect all the matches in a particular league to come with your subs - then the cable company decides that some of the matches are "special" (vanity only) and you only get them if you pay extra). That can't do other than make you question the value for money of your subscription. Its the hidden flaw of the "hybrid model (subs+microtransactions) really because there is a cost associated with going down the microtransaction route in making subscriptions less attractive as a baseline. For example if you had 200,000 subs ongoing and you considered that making ship skins for $ would bring in an additional say $100,000 you might think - "excellent! get me the new car showroom on the phone!" But the problem is that hiving off some content to MT makes the subscription look less attractive and you might end up losing 5000-10000 subs plus a lot of good will. That means your $100,000 profit from MT suddenly turns into +/- $25,000 combined with player discontent that knocks on to negative word of mouth commentary in the pretty interconnected universe of pc gaming. Compare with simply releasing ship skins in the client and attainable by traditional gameplay methods. Lets say they put ship skins in the faction loyalty point stores: 1. It makes sense from a game lore perspective. Have Caldari custom skins through their loyalty point stores, Blood raider skins through theirs, Sansha skins through theirs, hell, have some lovely softy SOE skins for hospital ships and mercy barges from their stuff. This shows attention to detail - the right organizations in game will be selling the stuff. 2. Having skins through loyalty point store means all players with the standings can access the content and another secondary market is created for people to mission to sell skin paint jobs to those without the loyalty points (or inclination to mission). 3. Since its a purely ingame activity there will be absolutely no inclination to make these things permanent (as is the case with the NeX store clothing abortions once applied to an avatar.. 4. Most importantly - the perceived value of the subscription will have been enhanced. Eve players will feel their subscription $ is hard at work making their game options better and their ships more attractive and will tell their friends that CCP as a developer are delivering a fair product that doesn't disembowel its own Prime Fiction and game universe credibility in the search of every additional cent of disposable income in its player's pockets. (On that last point lets remember we are supposed to believe that NeX (an Amarrian company where the Amarrian government is the majority shareholder) has been granted a full monopoly to sell capsuleer clothing from every space station in known space including thousands of stations that the Amarrian state is actually AT WAR WITH. And that every capsuleer in Eve including Minmatar Faction Warfare pilots (who are fighting the amarrian state) must buy their clothing from the enemy. ) Now sure, call it roleplay fluff and say "who cares really." But CCP used to be a company that DID CARE about these details or why bother creating the lovely detailed background in the first place. So I say by even considering putting factional colour schemes in the NeX store they'd be hugely compounding the appalling misjudgements of last year (which we hope have now been well and truly buried with Zulu passing the torch and CCP monocle nowhere to be seen). NeX store needs to go. Ship skins through Loyalty point stores appropriate to the faction worked for. Corp logos should be something default in the game not a paid extra. The reality is that the strong player groups encouraged by Corp and Alliance identity do more to maintain healthy subscription income for Eve than almost any other facet of the game. CCP need to be rewarding corporations for keeping players playing - not trying to shake them down for extra MT fees for things that should come as default to the eve gameworld. The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting!
Max Von Sydow Droneboat Diplomacy 95	Posted - 2011.12.24 12:25:00 - [46] - Quote ^ I couldn't agree more, especially about the corp logos. I would also like it if paintjobs became available as loot from exploration, ratting etc so that LP stores would not be the only source. I could also see some of the clothes as LP store items. Especially the uniform style clothes. Would make sense for a caldari uniform to be sold in the Caldari Navy and FW LP stores and I think it would make RPers very happy to be able to dress as their faction.
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction 1028	Posted - 2011.12.24 12:27:00 - [47] - Quote Max Von Sydow wrote: ^ I couldn't agree more, especially about the corp logos. I would also like it if paintjobs became available as loot from exploration, ratting etc so that LP stores would not be the only source. Yep thats great too. Completely agree. The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting!
Grey Azorria Federation Industries 3	Posted - 2011.12.24 13:28:00 - [48] - Quote Max Von Sydow wrote: I would also like it if paintjobs became available as loot from exploration, ratting etc so that LP stores would not be the only source. This Maybe paintjobs should work like BPOs or BPCs, once you have the BP and the ship, all you need to do is start a job, with a new station service (or an extention of Science and Industry) which charges x isk per hour. The BPs would be available from LP stores and faction drops etc, and (eventually, as it could be difficult to implement) alliances or corps should have the ability to submit there own custom paintjobs, at a cost ofc. All of which has nothig to do with the nex store. although if CCP does decide to make some fance paint jobs available from the nex store, AS WELL AS (thats the important bit CCP) ones from faction drops and LP stores etc, I wouldn't mind too much.
Roh Voleto Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 62	Posted - 2011.12.24 13:30:00 - [49] - Quote Max Von Sydow wrote: I would also like it if paintjobs became available as loot from exploration, ratting etc so that LP stores would not be the only source. Adding Aurum tokens to the LP stores and complex and officer loot tables might be a nice way to wiggle out of the MT fiasco without having to officially abandon the NeX. Max Von Sydow wrote: I could also see some of the clothes as LP store items. Especially the uniform style clothes. Would make sense for a caldari uniform to be sold in the Caldari Navy and FW LP stores and I think it would make RPers very happy to be able to dress as their faction. The fact that this has not happened yet is almost as big of a disappointment to me as not being able to leave the CQ.
Palmput Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild 9	Posted - 2011.12.24 19:16:00 - [50] - Quote When you buy from the NEX, the item is placed in your hangar. This means that you should be able to buy the item on market/contract. I bought one of those Navy shirts for 15m isk this way. I bet paint jobs will be handled the same way.
Mutnin Mutineers 3	Posted - 2011.12.24 19:30:00 - [51] - Quote FluffyDice wrote: I cant imagine them not being on the nex store. The problem with players accepting RL purchasing of vanity items is that vanity items will then only be sold for RL cash from then on. The solution would be to offer lesser quality for free but sell specialty items via Nex. For instance CCP should updated basic wardrobes inside the char creation tools, but should also offer higher quality or more desired vanity items via the Nex store. The base outfits leave a lot to be desired for some races, so they need to work on offering more free stuff in that regard. Something like this I personally wouldn't have an issue with. My personal gripe behind the Nex store is I felt it would cause CCP to focus more on that kind of stuff, trying to milk money out of the game vs adding regular content to the game it's self. As long as they made a balance between the two it's fine IMO.. Ship skins would be cool IMO, I'd love to create my own, but I can understand why having a option like that wouldn't be good for the game. We would end up with Hello Kitty Drakes, Ferrari Dramiels.. or space ***** Thoraxs. However if they used some sort of base template that all you could do is change the base colors it might be interesting.
Hikaru Kuroda Shimai of New Eden N E X O 14	Posted - 2011.12.24 19:32:00 - [52] - Quote Jade Constantine wrote: NeX store needs to go. Ship skins through Loyalty point stores appropriate to the faction worked for. Corp logos should be something default in the game not a paid extra. Your full post rocks, couldn't agree more dude.
Nova Fox Novafox Shipyards 679	Posted - 2011.12.24 19:41:00 - [53] - Quote Jada Maroo wrote: CCP has said NEX is no longer a priority and it was a mistake to introduce it when they did. So one can only assume they wouldn't then turn around and add a huge expansion to the NEX store in the form of ship skins, because that would totally be going back on that "new direction" stuff. So yeah, NEX store. Double check your sources and materials because your interpintation is very wrong. Nova Fox Shipyards Inventory
Xercodo Xovoni Directorate Not Usually Killing Everyone. 239	Posted - 2011.12.24 20:05:00 - [54] - Quote Jade Constantine wrote: Max Von Sydow wrote: ^ I couldn't agree more, especially about the corp logos. I would also like it if paintjobs became available as loot from exploration, ratting etc so that LP stores would not be the only source. Yep thats great too. Completely agree. Perfect example: I wanna find a blood raider paint scheme in a complex The Drake is a Lie
Riley Moore Sentinum Research 166	Posted - 2011.12.24 20:13:00 - [55] - Quote We need really RARE paint-skin drops as well. :) Need Researched BPO's? Be it drones, ammo, charges, you name it, visit my forum store now! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=445524#post445524
Nova Fox Novafox Shipyards 679	Posted - 2011.12.24 20:16:00 - [56] - Quote If they are going to be freely available in MT and then ingame via reward I would like to gander the paint scheme should be rare drops ingame enough to the point to warrent whatever the price of MT the item is. Be sorta useless to self compete against a free source if you make it too easy, at least get the subscription out of them in the effort it takes ot get the sceme via market or plexing. Other than that, I can see the NeX store hosting the more unusual colors (ie industrial Ferox picture) on the expensive side, the corp colors on cheaper side as it has to compete against an LP store or dungeon drops. Then dunno the allaince stripes at large but allaince obtainable aurum cost of the allaince itself but it will be freely applied to every ship flown by the allaince. Corp logos should be free imo as well but if you have to MT it, then make it a one time cost for the corporation in the MT currency for all ships in flown by the corp pilots. In return that if they do MT corp logos I demand that corp logos receive an expansion package of icons there are hundred of more icons they can easily put in. Nova Fox Shipyards Inventory
Roh Voleto Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 63	Posted - 2011.12.24 21:28:00 - [57] - Quote Nova Fox wrote: If they are going to be freely available in MT and then ingame via reward I would like to gander the paint scheme should be rare drops ingame enough to the point to warrent whatever the price of MT the item is. The crux is: who defines the worth of NeX items? CCP says my heels are worth almost 20 $US (3000 AUR). I said : They are worth about 60 mil ISK. As long as CCP reserves the right to overrule me/"the market", we all lose. If there has to be a NeX and if we have to use AUR, then everything related to it has to be governed by gameplay. Else, the whole game is at risk of turning into nothing but a hollow MT mill. I do not want to sound pessimistic, but I have never seen a game truly survive the addition of a cash-shop. Sure, there might be products with the same name, but the original games always died. I have also yet to see an MT product which also is a game worth of long term engagement.
Nova Fox Novafox Shipyards 680	Posted - 2011.12.24 21:58:00 - [58] - Quote True but you dont want the item common enough that it never gets bought in the nex. For example LP schemes should be dirt cheap, because LP is so easy to gain and its highly predictable thus a cheap paint job in the nex is the only way to compete against the LP store. However if its a pirate drop then the price in the nex store could afford a bit more on the price as to not encourage its overbuying but to encourage hunting for it or even buying it on the market. Well... the thing is there isnt that many mmos as old as eve or wow thats stilla round. Most of those mmos i know that has a cash shop are free to play and dont have any subscription to rely on for income. So a no game play breaker stance is a thin line ccp has to deal with the thing is if you introduce blueprints into the ordeal you just gave somone an 'advantage' so to say. Though the idea would be neat for players to buy clothing bases blueprints then research them into differnt colors, cuts, and materials would be indeed a much better interation than the current clothing contracts (which is the only explination why clothes are replaced on death) it would still give players who spend money on it something over the ones who dont have isk or RL cash to dole out because those unique clothing designs can still get isk, which can still be used for an ingame advantage. Flip side who cannot say the same about plexes? Either way its a thin line to consider. Ultimately Id be fine with clothing BPOs. However ship schemes imo should always be one issues to Ship, Corp, or Allaince. Change of mind requires a repurchase. As always all items on the nex must be market flippable, like including a biosculpting or gene sculpting token for those that want to change races or faces. Then afterwards make Aurum buyable with isk and make auruam able to buy time on accounts. Nova Fox Shipyards Inventory
Max Von Sydow Droneboat Diplomacy 95	Posted - 2011.12.24 22:20:00 - [59] - Quote Riley Moore wrote: We need really RARE paint-skin drops as well. :) You got a point. Example: normal serpentis skins in LP stores and fairly common as drops and then sahdow serpentis skins only available as very rare drops.
Marcus Wilde Meat Shields 26	Posted - 2011.12.25 11:04:00 - [60] - Quote Some guy linked this on the forums a while back, pretty cool I got to admit. Tears + Bucket = Win

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