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        |  Jove Death
 Red Dawn Mercenaries
 Whores in space
 
 47
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.29 07:31:00 -
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 HI IGÇÖm trying to get my head around something so I thought I would ask here.
 
 With the EULA rule advising that if a char feels he is being harassed by another char this is a ban able offence.
 Reason why IGÇÖm asking is that a char has requested a gank of ten times or more on a NPC char and in my head this is bordering a petition from the NPC char for harassment and breaching EULA rules?.
 
 Then again if this is the case and this is classed as harassment isnGÇÖt this then pushing the border of harassment of a char mining then being ganked all the time by one corp, or one solo char and the only way it will stop is to pay isk which then could be classed as bullying which is included in EULA as harassment?.
 
 Under war rules it is different but if a NPC char is just trying to play the game can he or she petition this to be stopped?.
 Would like some clarification thanks
 
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        |  Riot Girl
 Krypteia Operations
 
 1593
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.29 07:38:00 -
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 No lol. I don't even understand why you are asking this when you're in a mercenary corp of a high sec ganker alliance.
 Oh god.
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        |  Moneta Curran
 Lunar Industries Ltd
 
 163
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.29 07:42:00 -
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 Why don't you use a couple of alts?
 
 
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        |  William Walker
 House Aratus
 Fatal Ascension
 
 309
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.29 07:42:00 -
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 Riot Girl wrote:No lol. I don't even understand why you are asking this when you're in a mercenary corp of a high sec ganker alliance. Probably just worried he/she can get into trouble for killing idiots in space.
 pâ+(*GîÆGêçGîÆ*)n+ë pü+(pé£GêçpÇü-¦)pü+ (GùòGÇ+GùòG£+)
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        |  Archibald Thistlewaite III
 
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       | Posted - 2013.08.29 07:43:00 -
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 File a petition for an official answer.
 
 However as a general rule, if they have a reason for the continually ganking you ie; you need to buy a mining permit, then its ok.
 
 If you move to another system, which is a significant distance away, and they follow you and you decide to move to another system a significant distance away and they follow you again. Then you might have a case.
 
 Imagine if a player joined your corp, stole from you and dropped into a NPC corp. Would you feel it was ok to hunt them down and repeatedly blow up their ships?
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        |  Azami Nevinyrall
 Carbon Circle
 Tactical Narcotics Team
 
 1204
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.29 07:46:00 -
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 Riot Girl wrote:No lol. I don't even understand why you are asking this when you're in a mercenary corp of a high sec ganker alliance. Bacon......... That's why!
 I'm currently taking bets on the following:
 - CCP Games becomes EA Games' property.
 - EVE Online will have Microtranctions everywhere.
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        |  Jove Death
 Red Dawn Mercenaries
 Whores in space
 
 47
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.29 07:46:00 -
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 Riot Girl wrote:No lol. I don't even understand why you are asking this when you're in a mercenary corp of a high sec ganker alliance. 
 
 lol I know who I am thanks and what corp im in but its one of those wake up in the morning with a question on my mind. Personally im happy to blow up a char any time of the day
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        |  Shederov Blood
 Wrecketeers
 
 414
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.29 07:47:00 -
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 Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Always relevant.Riot Girl wrote:No lol. I don't even understand why you are asking this when you're in a mercenary corp of a high sec ganker alliance. Bacon......... That's why! | 
      
      
        |  Cipher Jones
 The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
 
 814
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.29 08:23:00 -
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 I have only ever heard of 2 people being banned for harassment and neither instance was related to internet spaceships in any other way than words said or typed.
 
 
 Eve is Real
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        |  Bi-Mi Lansatha
 Renzler Industries
 Northern Associates.
 
 191
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.29 08:33:00 -
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 Jove Death wrote:...Reason why IGÇÖm asking is that a char has requested a gank of ten times or more on a NPC char and in my head this is bordering a petition from the NPC char for harassment and breaching EULA rules?...
 My opinion, if the character you are going to 'gank' ten times or more is a new player... that might be Crossing the Rubicon.
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        |  Eugene Kerner
 TunDraGon
 Suddenly Spaceships.
 
 803
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.29 08:54:00 -
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 I dont even remember the names of the people I kill in this game...is it harrassment if i kill someone multiple times because he keeps coming back in this badger mark one to low sec?
 
 "Also, your boobs
  " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
 
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        |  Inxentas Ultramar
 Ultramar Independent Contracting
 Home Front Coalition
 
 648
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.29 09:02:00 -
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 "Harrassment" is when someone would, for example, send you eve mails which contain rascism, sexist remarks, or personal attacks. It's indeed about harassing players, not shooting at their ships a couple of times. That's a part of normal gameplay. You can assume "non-consentual combat is not grief play" as per that link. You'd have to take this pretty far for it to be counted as griefing.
 
 If you are really worried, interact with the victim and gauge his mental state. How likely is it that the dude will run crying to a GM in the first place?
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        |  Lucas Kell
 JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
 SpaceMonkey's Alliance
 
 491
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.29 09:15:00 -
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 I'm sure I read somewhere there's a limit. I'm sure if you keep following the same person around endlessly bumping them for example that was considered against the rules griefing.
 I'd be very surprised if even CCP had no limits on how much you can grief.
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        |  Mara Rinn
 Cosmic Goo Convertor
 Cosmic Consortium
 
 4029
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.29 09:22:00 -
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 I remember something being published some time ago about targeted action against a specific character for an extended period of time counting as harassment and possibly leading to action against you by the game masters. The principle behind it at the time was that attempting to force someone out of the game by continually ganking them was not welcome behaviour.
 
 Please petition it, and let us know the general outcome of the petition.
 
 Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players
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        |  TheBlueMonkey
 Brave Newbies Inc.
 Brave Collective
 
 503
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.29 09:22:00 -
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 Harassment is about the player not the character.
 
 It's why people get shouted at for saying things like "kill your self" but not for "bio mass your self". One's aimed at the player, one's aimed at the character.
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        |  Lucas Kell
 JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
 SpaceMonkey's Alliance
 
 491
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.29 09:26:00 -
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 Not the clearest of answers but:
 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1282779#post1282779
 
 Essentially it seems the answer is "use common sense". If you are disrupting someone's play continuously and they report you, you could get banned. It seems it's mostly about picking on one person over and over causing them distress.
 
 I mean if you think about if from a CCP point of view. If you harass 3 people, and they all stop playing, CCP loses 3 subs. If they ban you for harassment, they only lose 1. So don't disrupt CCPs dollar and you are alright.
 The Indecisive Noob - A new EVE Fan Blog for news and stuff.
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        |  Silvetica Dian
 Manson Family
 The Retirement Club
 
 46
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.29 11:13:00 -
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 Lucas Kell wrote:Not the clearest of answers but:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1282779#post1282779 Essentially it seems the answer is "use common sense". If you are disrupting someone's play continuously and they report you, you could get banned. It seems it's mostly about picking on one person over and over causing them distress. I mean if you think about if from a CCP point of view. If you harass 3 people, and they all stop playing, CCP loses 3 subs. If they ban you for harassment, they only lose 1. So don't disrupt CCPs dollar and you are alright. 
 If people make no effort to move to another area it is not harrassment.
 If you have reasonable expectation of profit it is not harrassment.
 People ragequit EVE all the time and CCP are well aware that the real meaningful losses are also why they still have a game 10 years down the line.
 Is hiring mercs to clear a system of rival miners harrasment?
 Is Test being hounded out of 3 regions harrassment?
 Is the guy who brought 3 unfitted ships to the same FW plex over a 2 hour period able to claim harrassment?
 Is hunting down corp thieves or awoxers harrassment?
 Is war deccing random corps harrassment?
 
 Almost nothing in EVE is deemed harrassment under the EULA although IRL threats are taken very seriously. People who gank miners are never banned but many miners have had temp/perm bans for the IRL threats they have issued. Same for awoxers and corp thieves.
 Basically defend what you have, hide from people or accept your losses as a price of doing business.
 Whatever you do in EVE you can find fairly safe places to do it in high, low, wh or null. It isn't other peoples fault if you don't try to do this.
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        |  Mycool Jahksn
 Viziam
 Amarr Empire
 
 36
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.29 11:15:00 -
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 I insulted a notorious contract / margin trading scammer in Jita by saying his mother is a cankerous wh*re.
 
 I got reported for that, and a written warning in my mailbox as well. Silly really.
 My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
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        |  Tippia
 Sunshine and Lollipops
 
 16220
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.29 11:19:00 -
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 Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Jove Death wrote:...Reason why IGÇÖm asking is that a char has requested a gank of ten times or more on a NPC char and in my head this is bordering a petition from the NPC char for harassment and breaching EULA rules?...
 My opinion, if the character you are going to 'gank' ten times or more is a new player... that might be Crossing the Rubicon. ^^ Pretty much that, but even then, it's iffy. Just don't be this guy: http://eve-kill.net/?a=system_detail&sys_id=5360 GÇö stay away from people in newbie frigates in the newbie systems, and don't make it so that they can't play the game.
 GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
 
 Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.
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        |  Mycool Jahksn
 Viziam
 Amarr Empire
 
 36
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.29 11:49:00 -
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 Tippia wrote:Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:Jove Death wrote:...Reason why IGÇÖm asking is that a char has requested a gank of ten times or more on a NPC char and in my head this is bordering a petition from the NPC char for harassment and breaching EULA rules?...
 My opinion, if the character you are going to 'gank' ten times or more is a new player... that might be Crossing the Rubicon. ^^ Pretty much that, but even then, it's iffy. Just don't be this guy: http://eve-kill.net/?a=system_detail&sys_id=5360  GÇö stay away from people in newbie frigates in the newbie systems, and don't make it so that they can't play the game. 
 Why isn't that guy banned yet?
  My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
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        |  Tippia
 Sunshine and Lollipops
 
 16220
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.29 12:02:00 -
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 Mycool Jahksn wrote:Most likely because they're newbies and don't know the rules or the reporting mechanisms yet.Why isn't that guy banned yet?   
 GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
 
 Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0.
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        |  Lucas Kell
 JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
 SpaceMonkey's Alliance
 
 495
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.29 12:06:00 -
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 Silvetica Dian wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Not the clearest of answers but:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1282779#post1282779 Essentially it seems the answer is "use common sense". If you are disrupting someone's play continuously and they report you, you could get banned. It seems it's mostly about picking on one person over and over causing them distress. I mean if you think about if from a CCP point of view. If you harass 3 people, and they all stop playing, CCP loses 3 subs. If they ban you for harassment, they only lose 1. So don't disrupt CCPs dollar and you are alright. If people make no effort to move to another area it is not harrassment. If you have reasonable expectation of profit it is not harrassment. People ragequit EVE all the time and CCP are well aware that the real meaningful losses are also why they still have a game 10 years down the line. Is hiring mercs to clear a system of rival miners harrasment? Is Test being hounded out of 3 regions harrassment? Is the guy who brought 3 unfitted ships to the same FW plex over a 2 hour period able to claim harrassment? Is hunting down corp thieves or awoxers harrassment? Is war deccing random corps harrassment? Almost nothing in EVE is deemed harrassment under the EULA although IRL threats are taken very seriously. People who gank miners are never banned but many miners have had temp/perm bans for the IRL threats they have issued. Same for awoxers and corp thieves.  Basically defend what you have, hide from people or accept your losses as a price of doing business. Whatever you do in EVE you can find fairly safe places to do it in high, low, wh or null. It isn't other peoples fault if you don't try to do this.  The EULA has a fairly broad scope on griefing. You can say all of thsi, but CCPs officially answered in that link. You can get warnd for it and too many warning can get you a ban. You can stamp your feet and point at the EULA all you want, but they make the decisions. If they deem what you are doing to be counter to another players enjoyment of them game, they can punish you.
 
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        |  S D Plissken
 
 2
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.29 12:24:00 -
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 I got a warning from a GM for typing the word kr**t in a chat channel describing a german player. I challenged it and the warning has been rejected. I accept the ruling but I do not understand it. In Jita local you read all kinds of derogatory terms for almost every nationality, but do you realy report them all? Harasment is a broad term and totaly subject to CCP ruling. My answer would be ...deal with it.
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        |  Mycool Jahksn
 Viziam
 Amarr Empire
 
 36
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.29 13:08:00 -
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 Tippia wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Why isn't that guy banned yet?   Most likely because they're newbies and don't know the rules or the reporting mechanisms yet. 
 Well, I did what any sane person would do. Reported him.
 
 EVE might be cold and hard but being an assh*le to someone who doesn't have more than 5 minutes of experience, an ibis and a bit of trit in his hand is just below low.
 My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
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        |  Captain Tardbar
 Sons of Sam
 
 462
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.29 14:01:00 -
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 If they call you racial, religous, cultural, or other sexual orientational slurrs, then you can petition for them to be banned and I've known people that have been banned because of it.
 
 Also if you are newbie in a newbie starting system and if they kill you there then it is against the rules.
 
 There are other rules that mention griefplay tactics are forbidden but its vague and not really applical if they aren't using an exploit of sorts.
 "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
 If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
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        |  Alavaria Fera
 GoonWaffe
 Goonswarm Federation
 
 4243
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.29 14:04:00 -
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 Lady Scarlet jokes were banned
 There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
 
 "Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013
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        |  Weaselior
 GoonWaffe
 Goonswarm Federation
 
 4587
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.29 14:05:00 -
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 Jove Death wrote:With the EULA rule advising that if a char feels he is being harassed by another char this is a ban able offence.
 
 uh no just feeling harassed doesn't let you get someone banned
 
 you have to actually be harassed according to the rather stringent definitions
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        |  Maxpie
 MUSE Buy-n-Large
 Metaphysical Utopian Society Enterprises
 
 326
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.29 14:34:00 -
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 I kill npc's all the time. They never complain. Never even try to warp out. Anyway, it hasn't been considered harassment.
 
 No good deed goes unpunished
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        |  Caviar Liberta
 Moira.
 Villore Accords
 
 145
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.29 14:54:00 -
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 Maxpie wrote:I kill npc's all the time. They never complain. Never even try to warp out. Anyway, it hasn't been considered harassment. 
 In low and null sec it seems the NPC will warp away if you kill the largest NPC on the grid.
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        |  Sky' Darkstar
 Dark Star Operations.
 
 4
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.29 16:17:00 -
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 *Evil villain voice*
 
 EVE is a harsh cruel and unforgiving universe full of backstabbers, scoundrels, and seedy characters looking for every opportunity to take what is yours and add it to theirs. In this universe, you decide your destiny. Will you be the noble trader? or the Seedy pirate? Your decisions matter in this dark gritty sci-fi world. A sandbox like no other, and the ability to affect and make changes across the entire single-shard universe...
 
 ...
 
 But don't follow miners and bump them, that's harassment.
 
 And don't hunt down and kill the same guy a handful of times, that's griefing.
 
 But seriously! It's a really dark and gritty world!... Most of the time!
 
 Don't kill new players either...
 
 Harsh backstabbing universe!
 
 
 
   
 -Sky'
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        |  Ranger 1
 Ranger Corp
 
 4550
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.29 17:18:00 -
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 Quote:Reason why IGÇÖm asking is that a char has requested a gank of ten times or more on a NPC char and in my head this is bordering a petition from the NPC char for harassment and breaching EULA rules?.
 
 Psssst.
 
 NPC characters are not run by real people, and therefore cannot file a harassment petition. Relax.
  To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors.
 If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
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        |  Rhes
 GoonWaffe
 Goonswarm Federation
 
 51
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.29 17:24:00 -
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 Making horrible threads filled with bad posts should be considered harassment.
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        |  ISD LackOfFaith
 ISD Community Communications Liaisons
 
 609
 
 
  
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.29 17:51:00 -
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 Harassment cases are evaluated on an individual basis by the Eve GM team, so there's no super easy or succinct way to sum up their criteria. However, a few rules of thumb are good to keep:
 
 
 
  Don't harass people in rookie systems.
 Don't repeatedly attack one person, or a small group of people without any more motivation than "for lols". Use a broad definition of "attack".
 Don't extend any conflict into real life. Especially don't make real life threats.
 Watch your language. There's no rule (in-game) against profanity or verbal lashings, but there is such a thing as going too far.
 
 If you have a particular example you're not sure about, you're encouraged to ask a GM via a support ticket.
 ISD LackOfFaith
 Lieutenant
 Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
 Interstellar Services Department
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        |  Sidrat Flush
 The Praxis Initiative
 Gentlemen's Agreement
 
 149
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.30 04:31:00 -
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 Very good rule of thumbs.
 
 A big worry is if a cry baby player complains often enough and loudly enough and/or threatens to quit or something equally as bad, would that encourage ccp to make a different ruling?
 
 If we believe what we read on this forum a lot of eve players would really enjoy a single player version with just an illusion of player activity in the background.
 
 Typos are my own on my Samsung galaxy S3 and insomnia.
 The new home of the Eve Industrial Organiser is here. Enjoy the first in a series, EIO:Refinery now
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 Read about it http://eveindustrialorganiser.blogspot.co.uk/?m=0
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        |  Alavaria Fera
 GoonWaffe
 Goonswarm Federation
 
 4247
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.30 05:41:00 -
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 Sidrat Flush wrote:A big worry is if a cry baby player complains often enough and loudly enough and/or threatens to quit or something equally as bad, would that encourage ccp to make a different ruling? From the wiki:
 
 Lady Scarlet is a Band of Brothers fleet commander. She is famous for her size.
 There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
 
 "Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013
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        |  ISD LackOfFaith
 ISD Community Communications Liaisons
 
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       | Posted - 2013.08.30 05:45:00 -
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 Sidrat Flush wrote:A big worry is if a cry baby player complains often enough and loudly enough and/or threatens to quit or something equally as bad, would that encourage ccp to make a different ruling? I'm sure the GM team tries to be as neutral as possible, and evaluate a situation objectively, not based on emotional reaction. After all, someone can break down in tears without there being any harassment, while another person just doesn't react to real harassment. What matters is the objective act, not the victim's reaction.
 
 I don't speak for them, though, and I don't know how their internal process of decision works. They are good guys, and if you think they made a bad call, there's always another chance via appealing to a senior GM. Have faith in the system!
 
 I should probably get off my soapbox now.
 ISD LackOfFaith
 Lieutenant
 Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
 Interstellar Services Department
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        |  Alavaria Fera
 GoonWaffe
 Goonswarm Federation
 
 4247
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.30 05:50:00 -
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 Just found this amusing:
 
 
 ISD LackOfFaith wrote:Have faith in the system! 
 There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
 
 "Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013
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        |  Andrew Indy
 Four Pillar Production
 Headshot Gaming
 
 16
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.30 06:33:00 -
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 Tippia wrote:Mycool Jahksn wrote:Why isn't that guy banned yet?   Most likely because they're newbies and don't know the rules or the reporting mechanisms yet. 
 Very true, I was killed 3 times by the same guy within 1 hour of starting the game (while in a noob ship in the noob system) and I did not even know there was a petition system . I always just assuming EVE allowed you to be a total d1ck to noobs.
 
 I came pretty close to giving up but I got over it pretty quickly.
 
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        |  ISD LackOfFaith
 ISD Community Communications Liaisons
 
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       | Posted - 2013.08.30 13:45:00 -
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 Quote:7. Use of profanity is prohibited.
 The use of profanity is prohibited on the EVE Online forums. This includes the partial masking of letters using numbers or alternate symbols, and any attempts at bypassing the profanity filter.
 Redacted some stuff that broke this rule. Please do not try to avoid the word filter.
 ISD LackOfFaith
 Lieutenant
 Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
 Interstellar Services Department
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        |  Din Chao
 
 352
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.30 13:57:00 -
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 Jove Death wrote:Reason why IGÇÖm asking is that a char has requested a gank of ten times or more on a NPC char and in my head this is bordering a petition from the NPC char for harassment and breaching EULA rules?.
 Under war rules it is different but if a NPC char is just trying to play the game can he or she petition this to be stopped?.
 Would like some clarification thanks
 
 I know. I hate getting the same missions over and over again. Zor should be filing so many a petitions.
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        |  Sentamon
 Imperial Academy
 Amarr Empire
 
 1137
 
 
       | Posted - 2013.08.30 16:28:00 -
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 lol 0/10 for trolling
 ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
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        |  bloodknight2
 Talledega Knights
 PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
 
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       | Posted - 2013.08.30 16:37:00 -
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 You could always ask sexual harassment panda.
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