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Queen Nefertiti	Posted - 2006.01.04 10:00:00 - [1] I dont really want to add to the boring topic of macro miners but surely if you looking for proof.... dfsklj > .. [ 2006.01.04 09:26:31 ] Lord Flashheart > yeah - that'll work [ 2006.01.04 09:28:10 ] dfsklj > what, s wrong ? [ 2006.01.04 09:28:30 ] Lord Flashheart > nothing mate - you carry on.... [ 2006.01.04 09:34:23 ] dfsklj > Why do you has been come after me? [ 2006.01.04 09:34:56 ] Lord Flashheart > you serious?? [ 2006.01.04 09:35:12 ] Lord Flashheart > i'm just protecting the belts from rats and scum like you [ 2006.01.04 09:36:58 ] Lord Flashheart > where's your boss with the hauler??? [ 2006.01.04 09:37:12 ] Lord Flashheart > why arent you mining?? [ 2006.01.04 09:37:54 ] Lord Flashheart > takes quite a while to look all these words up in a dictionary doesnt it [ 2006.01.04 09:38:46 ] dfsklj > For make money [ 2006.01.04 09:38:52 ] Lord Flashheart > exactly [ 2006.01.04 09:39:00 ] Lord Flashheart > and i cant let that happen fella [ 2006.01.04 09:39:13 ] Lord Flashheart > so i'll make sure you have a hard time with me [ 2006.01.04 09:42:40 ] dfsklj > You is where person? [ 2006.01.04 09:42:51 ] Lord Flashheart > oh dear..... [ 2006.01.04 09:42:53 ] dfsklj > I am a girl [ 2006.01.04 09:43:05 ] Lord Flashheart > i couldnt care less if you were god... [ 2006.01.04 09:45:53 ] dfsklj > Could you walk?I wanted to work, wanting to be not the boss wants to deduct salary, [ 2006.01.04 09:46:08 ] Lord Flashheart > you are not serious [ 2006.01.04 09:47:50 ] dfsklj > I work for other people of, I am a professional miner [ 2006.01.04 09:48:17 ] Lord Flashheart > then why arent you mining now??? [ 2006.01.04 09:50:03 ] dfsklj > For change renminbi [ 2006.01.04 09:51:43 ] dfsklj > For making money to support family [ 2006.01.04 09:51:58 ] Lord Flashheart > i couldnt care less - its against the rules [ 2006.01.04 09:55:19 ] dfsklj > You why come after me always and LF is currently in a belt next to him and he hasnt started mining in over half an hour...his mate has logged and his boss has logged... enough said CCP...pls do something
Clytamnestra	Posted - 2006.01.04 10:05:00 - [2] Originally by: Queen Nefertiti I dont really want to add to the boring topic of macro miners but surely if you looking for proof.... dfsklj > .. [ 2006.01.04 09:26:31 ] Lord Flashheart > yeah - that'll work [ 2006.01.04 09:28:10 ] dfsklj > what, s wrong ? [ 2006.01.04 09:28:30 ] Lord Flashheart > nothing mate - you carry on.... [ 2006.01.04 09:34:23 ] dfsklj > Why do you has been come after me? [ 2006.01.04 09:34:56 ] Lord Flashheart > you serious?? [ 2006.01.04 09:35:12 ] Lord Flashheart > i'm just protecting the belts from rats and scum like you [ 2006.01.04 09:36:58 ] Lord Flashheart > where's your boss with the hauler??? [ 2006.01.04 09:37:12 ] Lord Flashheart > why arent you mining?? [ 2006.01.04 09:37:54 ] Lord Flashheart > takes quite a while to look all these words up in a dictionary doesnt it [ 2006.01.04 09:38:46 ] dfsklj > For make money [ 2006.01.04 09:38:52 ] Lord Flashheart > exactly [ 2006.01.04 09:39:00 ] Lord Flashheart > and i cant let that happen fella [ 2006.01.04 09:39:13 ] Lord Flashheart > so i'll make sure you have a hard time with me [ 2006.01.04 09:42:40 ] dfsklj > You is where person? [ 2006.01.04 09:42:51 ] Lord Flashheart > oh dear..... [ 2006.01.04 09:42:53 ] dfsklj > I am a girl [ 2006.01.04 09:43:05 ] Lord Flashheart > i couldnt care less if you were god... [ 2006.01.04 09:45:53 ] dfsklj > Could you walk?I wanted to work, wanting to be not the boss wants to deduct salary, [ 2006.01.04 09:46:08 ] Lord Flashheart > you are not serious [ 2006.01.04 09:47:50 ] dfsklj > I work for other people of, I am a professional miner [ 2006.01.04 09:48:17 ] Lord Flashheart > then why arent you mining now??? [ 2006.01.04 09:50:03 ] dfsklj > For change renminbi [ 2006.01.04 09:51:43 ] dfsklj > For making money to support family [ 2006.01.04 09:51:58 ] Lord Flashheart > i couldnt care less - its against the rules [ 2006.01.04 09:55:19 ] dfsklj > You why come after me always and LF is currently in a belt next to him and he hasnt started mining in over half an hour...his mate has logged and his boss has logged... enough said CCP...pls do something Hi there. Posting on these forums is the best way of adressing the community - however, you seem to be interested in getting touch with CCP. I would recommend mail or phone for that - or make an in-game petition. --
Peter Armstrong	Posted - 2006.01.04 10:08:00 - [3] Originally by: Queen Nefertiti I dont really want to add to the boring topic of macro miners but surely if you looking for proof.... dfsklj > .. [ 2006.01.04 09:26:31 ] Lord Flashheart > yeah - that'll work [ 2006.01.04 09:28:10 ] dfsklj > what, s wrong ? [ 2006.01.04 09:28:30 ] Lord Flashheart > nothing mate - you carry on.... [ 2006.01.04 09:34:23 ] dfsklj > Why do you has been come after me? [ 2006.01.04 09:34:56 ] Lord Flashheart > you serious?? [ 2006.01.04 09:35:12 ] Lord Flashheart > i'm just protecting the belts from rats and scum like you [ 2006.01.04 09:36:58 ] Lord Flashheart > where's your boss with the hauler??? [ 2006.01.04 09:37:12 ] Lord Flashheart > why arent you mining?? [ 2006.01.04 09:37:54 ] Lord Flashheart > takes quite a while to look all these words up in a dictionary doesnt it [ 2006.01.04 09:38:46 ] dfsklj > For make money [ 2006.01.04 09:38:52 ] Lord Flashheart > exactly [ 2006.01.04 09:39:00 ] Lord Flashheart > and i cant let that happen fella [ 2006.01.04 09:39:13 ] Lord Flashheart > so i'll make sure you have a hard time with me [ 2006.01.04 09:42:40 ] dfsklj > You is where person? [ 2006.01.04 09:42:51 ] Lord Flashheart > oh dear..... [ 2006.01.04 09:42:53 ] dfsklj > I am a girl [ 2006.01.04 09:43:05 ] Lord Flashheart > i couldnt care less if you were god... [ 2006.01.04 09:45:53 ] dfsklj > Could you walk?I wanted to work, wanting to be not the boss wants to deduct salary, [ 2006.01.04 09:46:08 ] Lord Flashheart > you are not serious [ 2006.01.04 09:47:50 ] dfsklj > I work for other people of, I am a professional miner [ 2006.01.04 09:48:17 ] Lord Flashheart > then why arent you mining now??? [ 2006.01.04 09:50:03 ] dfsklj > For change renminbi [ 2006.01.04 09:51:43 ] dfsklj > For making money to support family [ 2006.01.04 09:51:58 ] Lord Flashheart > i couldnt care less - its against the rules [ 2006.01.04 09:55:19 ] dfsklj > You why come after me always and LF is currently in a belt next to him and he hasnt started mining in over half an hour...his mate has logged and his boss has logged... enough said CCP...pls do something OMFG OMFG man these people walking all over CCP. Man i hope some day CCP find a way to stop this. Making money and braking the rules lol. man thats bad. I think there should be a law on Ebay that game iteams cant be sold etc. Oh and anyother site tooo. [ 2006.01.04 09:42:53 ] dfsklj > I am a girl Dark Skyes Website Under Construct
Queen Nefertiti	Posted - 2006.01.04 10:10:00 - [4] I did.... i struggled to copy and paste the chat log in the petition. My point being that I actually havent seen anybody confess to what they were doing and hoped it would assist in their efforts to prove the problem... My apologies once again for creating an additional thread on an already exhausting debate.
Martin Mckenna	Posted - 2006.01.04 10:22:00 - [5] thats someone talking the **** m8. dont know why you fell for it :P
Steven Dynahir	Posted - 2006.01.04 10:28:00 - [6] For him it seems to be just work. He is mining a belt to gain isk to feed his family. I see no purpose of humiliating him on the forum. I'd call this as personal attack. Now why does he do this? He's obviously doing this for someone else, who gives him money in real life. His average salary is propably less than you spend on toilet paper per day. Sure, it's wrong by the standards of the game. But not a thing to talk on the forums about. Just petition and move along. --- Home, sweet home.
Romulus Maximus	Posted - 2006.01.04 10:29:00 - [7] Edited by: Romulus Maximus on 04/01/2006 10:32:27 Thread like this help nothing. CCP know macro miners, and other macros are in use. They either, cant do anyhting about, cant be ar55ed to do anything about it. Or its low down on thier todo list. Maybe somewhere in between fixing lag, fixing wasps. etc etc. Petition,grief if u must. Get on with ur game Also, it doesnt sound like hes actually using a macro ? Hes talkign to u, u said his friend the hauler logged off. And is it actually against the rules for me to pay my mate to spend the day mining ? Selling the isk on ebay, yes. But all he says is he gets paid to mine. Current RKK Ranking: (AMM10) Commodore
AdriaLima	Posted - 2006.01.04 10:30:00 - [8] Well you know what the trouble with this is? ..you and i (and prolly everybody else) knows that person(s) are infact macro miners.. however all you've proofed is that there is indeed someone there at the other end of the line. So the fact someone is present and "playing" makes that person un-bannable unless you can prove he/she is using a macro program (which effectivly you cant cause you're not over there checking the comp out) Also you cant ban someone even if they admit theyre making money.. why not? i hear you ask yourself ..well cause over the internet people can say whatever the F... they like ..good luck in proving it all. points to your own text "i dont care if you were god" ..for indeed they can claim that and get away with it. Now im against (very much so) macro miners ..ive reported i dunno how many lol. But with a convo like that im not sure what you can do...both technically and legally so to speak. At best you've proven to the community what most already suspected but even so its still not prove.. as in prove that would hold up in court. Believe me im as dissappointed as you are. sigh* ..the battle continues my friends.
Vex Seraphim	Posted - 2006.01.04 10:40:00 - [9] Edited by: Vex Seraphim on 04/01/2006 10:42:55 for macrominers in general: Lol, ok, uh, repeat after me: 1) petition 2) steal ore for that specific incident: i doubt ccp will do something about anything he said as long as he didn't offend anyone else. it's the actions that matter, if they catch him macromining afk and he won't respond for an amount of time, they will ban him. but the way i see it - he will respond, and afaik ccp have not yet updated their policy about such farmers.
Terrapin	Posted - 2006.01.04 10:52:00 - [10] The real problem is people buying isk off ebay (and similar sites), not the macro miners.

kestrelfear	Posted - 2006.01.04 11:06:00 - [11] The real problem are the dozens of new macro miner posts that appear each day. _________ Buying Pure Blind bookmarks. Contact me please!
MaiLina KaTar	Posted - 2006.01.04 11:11:00 - [12] Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 04/01/2006 11:11:28 To me that convo doesn't prove anything. He might just aswell have roleplayed the entire convo. And what the hell do you mean to say with "takes quite a while to look all these words up in a dictionary doesnt it"? If you imply what I think you do I'd rather blame you instead of him for being a prejudicing, prejudging little monkey trying to play the cop. Mai's Idealog
Braaage	Posted - 2006.01.04 11:12:00 - [13] Worker = macro miner. Fire the worker and another is employed. Shut down the company and the worker loses his job. Can you now see why every single macro miner isn't banned on the spot? BTW yes I know when a company is shut down another one starts up. ___________________________________________ http://www.eve-tutor.com Picture based tutorial site for EVE-Online
smashsmash	Posted - 2006.01.04 11:23:00 - [14] He or "she" could be a really bad role player. ---- Would you like some cries with your whaaamburger?
Fester Addams	Posted - 2006.01.04 11:23:00 - [15] What is the point of this post? So you have identified a player that has a rudimentry knowledge of english and aparently is selling his/her isk. REPORT IT TO CCP! Dont spam the forum! We all know they exist, there have been umpteens of posts on the topic and one more wont get the account closed, it wont give anyone any AHA! experience it wont do anything but take upp space. You will do us all a service if you simply report it to CCP and go about your buisness playing EvE, you do us a disservice if you start posting about it. And besides, the isk sellers will keep comming back as long as they can make a fair amount of real money from it. Thus, TARGET THE BUYER! that is the only way we can get rid of the farmers that sell isk, if noone buys their isk they will not make any profit and thus will move on to other MMO's. ------------
Earthan	Posted - 2006.01.04 11:24:00 - [16] I am all against macro miners. But when i hear those kind of conv i dont feel anger at them but sympathy. I mena he is a poor devil , working to eat. In some countries it isnt so easy to find work. So even if you want to stop macrominers and take some actions dont be rude against those poeple, world is not just black and white. ***************************** Out here on the perimeter there are no stars Out here we is stoned-immaculate.
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.01.04 11:28:00 - [17] This is gonna go in caps, cause morons like you fail to understand this. IF THERE'S SOMEONE TALKING TO YOU WITH THE CHARACTER IT'S HARDLY A ***** MACRO NOW IS IT. THEY'RE NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTT DOING ANYTHING ILLEGAL IN GAME, NO MATTER WHAT YOUR PREJUDICE ARROGANT *** SELF THINKS. They might ebay isk, you got no proof of that, and neither does CCP, so nothing can be done, you're just being a prejudice *** that's harasssing someone that's done nothing absolutely nothing wrong. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Tachy	Posted - 2006.01.04 11:34:00 - [18] Wow, a paying customer's sitting in a mining ship, you talk to him/her and claim he's a macroer? All the log shows is that someone says he's being paid for playing. A dream come true? If you do that a few times, that might even be a point where it becomes harassment.
Clytamnestra	Posted - 2006.01.04 11:37:00 - [19] Be mindful, it wasn't the OP who did the harassing. --
Queen Nefertiti	Posted - 2006.01.04 11:38:00 - [20] ouch...moving along.....

Sku1ly	Posted - 2006.01.04 11:42:00 - [21] Wow, those Macros have got advanced!
Moghydin	Posted - 2006.01.04 11:45:00 - [22] Edited by: Moghydin on 04/01/2006 11:46:40 That guy/girl is ISK farmer and those have destroyed more than a couple of MMORPG's as I heard. Selling ISK for cache is a breach of EULA, and buying ISK for cache is cheating. As I said many times before, these ppl are much harder to deal with than macorers. Eventually CCP can find a solution to kill macro programms. But how can CCP prevent someone to actually sit for 8 hours in front of a PC and mine in order to sell the ISK for RL money. And to those who sympathize with that ISK farmer, you know, I'm really sorry that that is the only job he/she can find in own country, but it doesn't mean this person can contribute to the destruction of the game I'm paying my RL money for. Many ppl commit crimes because of poverty (not that I'm comparing it to ISK farming), but breaking the law/rule/licence agreement in this case, shouldn't be justified because of that.
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.01.04 11:46:00 - [23] Originally by: Clytamnestra Be mindful, it wasn't the OP who did the harassing. It sounded like LF is a alt of the OP. But you're right I wasn't exactly mindful of that. This sorta thing gets me really worked up. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.01.04 11:50:00 - [24] Originally by: Moghydin Edited by: Moghydin on 04/01/2006 11:46:40 That guy/girl is ISK farmer and those have destroyed more than a couple of MMORPG's as I heard. Selling ISK for cache is a breach of EULA, and buying ISK for cache is cheating. As I said many times before, these ppl are much harder to deal with than macorers. Eventually CCP can find a solution to kill macro programms. But how can CCP prevent someone to actually sit for 8 hours in front of a PC and mine in order to sell the ISK for RL money. And to those who sympathize with that ISK farmer, you know, I'm really sorry that that is the only job he/she can find in own country, but it doesn't mean this person can contribute to the destruction of the game I'm paying my RL money for. Many ppl commit crimes because of poverty (not that I'm comparing it to ISK farming), but breaking the law/rule/licence agreement in this case, shouldn't be justified because of that. That's what you THINK!! And you heard they destroy MMORPGs, wow you got some great proof for that too. And that's what bugs me, it's about what you can proof, nothing else gives you the right to judge others. Contact CCP, ask them to look into it. But if you can't proof anything, banning them seriously isn't a option IMHO. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Ardor	Posted - 2006.01.04 11:53:00 - [25] Originally by: Earthan I am all against macro miners. But when i hear those kind of conv i dont feel anger at them but sympathy. I mena he is a poor devil , working to eat. In some countries it isnt so easy to find work. So even if you want to stop macrominers and take some actions dont be rude against those poeple, world is not just black and white. Good to see someone with a brain. I don't like macromining, too. But this is a witchhunt and the victims are indeed poor devils.
VossKarr	Posted - 2006.01.04 11:54:00 - [26] Those aren't (entirely) macroers. They're isk farmers/ebayers and I've been seeing those in nearly every system I visit, especially in Gallente space.
smashsmash	Posted - 2006.01.04 11:54:00 - [27] My computer needs more cache in a few places. ---- Would you like some cries with your whaaamburger?
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.01.04 11:57:00 - [28] Originally by: VossKarr Those aren't (entirely) macroers. They're isk farmers/ebayers and I've been seeing those in nearly every system I visit, especially in Gallente space. Cause they can type some really lousy english, and type they get paid to mine, professional miners in a MMOG they're ebayers. Some really dangerous logic there. Oh and there's nothing wrong EULA wise or otherwise with isk farmers. You might not like someone being able to do that all day long, while you got work/life, but that doesn't make it bad. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool

Eris Discordia	Posted - 2006.01.04 11:59:00 - [29] The GM's investigate macrominers, please file an exploit petition and the GM"s will look into it. They are busy though ahd investigating these claims takes a lot of time so be patient. Posting about it on the forums won't make them dissapear faster. Mail [email protected] for questions or to report bad threads in need of my loving touch My broken heart leaves my mind in pieces, temptation wins in the end



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