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Pain Chick
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Posted - 2006.01.06 16:45:00 -
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Sorry, But a community board announcement is not offical. When I get an in game message I will consider it offical.
IF you think I read your silly boards daily then you need a RL.
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Xroxor
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Posted - 2006.01.06 16:59:00 -
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How do you consider it an exploit? We all know about it, CCP knows about it and eveyone is able to use them. I say ~PARTY~
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2006.01.06 18:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Pain Chick
Sorry, But a community board announcement is not offical. When I get an in game message I will consider it offical.
IF you think I read your silly boards daily then you need a RL.YARRRR!!
Originally by: Xroxor
How do you consider it an exploit? We all know about it, CCP knows about it and eveyone is able to use them. I say ~PARTY~
Naturally you two do as you please but when it gets on the login news posted by a GM then its about as official as it is ever going to get.
Ignore it at your own peril.
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Duana
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Posted - 2006.01.06 19:41:00 -
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Edited by: Duana on 06/01/2006 19:46:16
Way to take the responsibility... oh wait... nvm.
Telling players not to use them is ridiculous and completely breaks the illusion of a "virtual world"
Instead of doing something like telling users not to use them, why not do something like warn the user it's a criminal act and have concord blow them up if they use them? Or can that not be done without changing client code...
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Dillon Braveheart
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Posted - 2006.01.06 19:46:00 -
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---- NEWS JUST IN ----
Flying a spacecraft in space is now a exploit please leave your ship in the station n fly in pod as we was late to state we messed up with a patch a few days away so we waited tto tell everyone its an exploit .... duuuuuu
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Gaah
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Posted - 2006.01.06 19:48:00 -
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Analogy:
If I embed code in a WMF image that hacks your registry and crashes your computer, that's an exploit.
If I embed code in a WMF file that is supposed to load an alternate image if the WMF doesn't render properly, and loading that image crashes your computer due to a separate OS problem, that is not an exploit.
So...
If a Domi kills a pair of attacking Harpies faster than normal because of the Wasp bug, he is not exploiting because he's doing what comes naturally.
If PA assembles an Imicus Fleet of D00mÖ and WTFPWNS all of BoB's HACs, that is an exploit, since they would not normally use an Imicus for that... or for anything, for that matter.
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.01.06 20:00:00 -
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It's still not been explained if this is an exploit against npc's.
Im sorry but the in game gm announcement is misleading.
"it is now considered an exploit to use them in combat and all players
caught using them in combat from now on, will receive an official warning.
Any losses caused by Wasp drones (before and after this announcement) can be petitioned
It implies that it is limited to player combat (loses)
Thats the problem i have, with the 'forum only' anouncement by a isd forum moderator and not a gm (iv'e been told by a forum mod before that they have absolutely no authority over in game rules and policy)
Today it has to be said an isd member in the help channel was telling people it 'wasn't' an exploit to use against NPC'S
The typical senerio of this is X player see's mission runner using wasp drones, X player reports said player, then X player is at the mercy of the gm lottery... aka the which one you get senerio....
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2006.01.06 20:02:00 -
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When I made this thread I also asked a GM regarding missions, he answered me that using these drones in missions will be considered an exploit as well.
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Galk
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Posted - 2006.01.06 20:08:00 -
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Then cannot we have an anouncement to that effect?
There's no harm in it, as i said it might go around in the forum, but most don't read the forum.
Only fair i think all things considered.
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retardsn
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Posted - 2006.01.06 21:10:00 -
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yesterday, a wasp stung me in real life...
where do i petition?
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Qutsemnie
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Posted - 2006.01.06 21:21:00 -
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Edited by: Qutsemnie on 06/01/2006 21:23:09
Edited by: Qutsemnie on 06/01/2006 21:22:15
Even if you removed wasp tracking from the equation it wouldnt justify a ban for agent running imo. There are only handful of ships in agent missions that are difficult for a wasp to hit. Since everyone can only carry 5. Since missions dont pay out all that much. Since an improved to hit rate is only going to substantially effect a wasp DOT on a few rat types. I have to offer a quote once said by a guildmate in another context:
if you ban me for using your bugged wasp its your loss.
Im not buying a whole new set of temporary drones to avoid a minor gain in dps against NPCs for a minor gain in rewards over time cause someone unrealistically thinks its worth threatening my account over. And you guys need to take a breather and talk it over before threatening it.
PvP ok. Agent missions. right..
specially on the day you ruined my play time for your stupid insecure passwords! Threaten it tomorrow.
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Qutsemnie
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Posted - 2006.01.06 21:30:00 -
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All im saying is that if your telling people if they do something as not attempting to exploit like "deploying your drones in your drone bay and telling them to engage target against an NPC" will result in a ban because of a bug in their DOT then your developement team better be calling their wives and telling them they wont be coming home tonite while brewing the coffee.. Cause thats ridicolous.
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Aryth
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Posted - 2006.01.06 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Eris Discordia
When I made this thread I also asked a GM regarding missions, he answered me that using these drones in missions will be considered an exploit as well.
Ok im sorry if you already answered this but when you say missions...you only refer to agent missions and its ok to npc hunt with them? Because I hunt guristas and I gots to make me some money....oh and I use a dom. I've noticed the tracking bug and was using them to hunt npc's before the announcement and the only thing that was that different was they killed the npc frigs a little faster.
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VantDre
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Posted - 2006.01.06 21:45:00 -
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This is stupid.
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2006.01.06 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: DARTHEXIDOUS
For the hard of understanding:You cant use wasps 1&2 drones due to exploit simple hey.
So use mediums or what ever till they sort problem out.Overcome and adapt is my moto.
Mediums can't hit Frigates. Therefor this is a severe penalty to anyone who is based in Minamtar Drone Specialization.
Let's ban Mega Pulse for a month!
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Drilla
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Posted - 2006.01.07 00:06:00 -
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Instead of coming out yelling OMGWTFXPLOIT!!!1 how about you (CCP) explain to us why it's not just a simple database value that needs to be changed. What does it affect that you cant change it during a normal downtime?
I'm curious as to why this hasn't been fixed, I'd just like an explanation as to why it's just not a small change in the WASPs database values?
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Lori Carlyle
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Posted - 2006.01.07 01:00:00 -
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While you made the game, you wrote the code, You made the wasps that way, Until a patch changes it, the wasps stay in my drone bay, and i WILL use them, After all my raven holds 3 wasps and if i were to swap them i'd go for 5 light drones, therefore i'm creating less lag by
A. Using 3 drones and not 5.
B. Killin NPCs faster.
If i was PVP i'd stop using them as i'd have honor to win via skills and tactics and not errors in your handywork, for NPC i really don't see an issue here..
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Mylia Voklanev
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Posted - 2006.01.07 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Drilla
Instead of coming out yelling OMGWTFXPLOIT!!!1 how about you (CCP) explain to us why it's not just a simple database value that needs to be changed. What does it affect that you cant change it during a normal downtime?
I'm curious as to why this hasn't been fixed, I'd just like an explanation as to why it's just not a small change in the WASPs database values?
My guess is that the tracking is done client side rather than server side in order to keep the server load down. Although this seems like a bad idea to me.
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MWEI
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Posted - 2006.01.07 02:24:00 -
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Well even if I can use them to NPC I wont anyway.
I mean, so they can hit anything there is, cool, sounds very cheap way to get lots cash?
Not really, if you are talking about battleships, they can hit them anyway, extra tracking has no effect
If you are talking about cruisers, so they can hit them all the time, wonderful, but wait, medium drones does the same thing, similar damage, but gets to the target WAY faster to cancel out any minor damage advantage wasp has over them.
If you are talking about frigates, true, being able to kill frigates with heavys is very very cheap, but then again, thats under the condition your heavys can catch up to the frigte rats, which, tbh, is so inefficent its much faster if you just use light drones
So the final line? exploit to use them on npc or not, dosnt change much, the only threat is in pvp.
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Ulthar
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Posted - 2006.01.07 03:32:00 -
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Edited by: Ulthar on 07/01/2006 03:32:20
Using any bug for in-game gain is an exploit and has been since beta. I don't know where people get the idea that it could be anything else. Perhaps it needs to be reinforced in the EULA? Something along the lines of exploiting a bug for any reason will get one banned?
Oh wait.
"You may not exploit any bug in EVE Online to gain an unfair advantage over other players. You may not communicate the existence of any exploitable bug to others directly or through a public forum. Bugs should be reported through the bug reporting tool on our website."
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You will use the CCP bug reporting tools in accordance with their policy and will not intentionally submit misinformation or hide information required by the bug report forms.
Straight from the Code of Conduct.
Hmmm, guess it is covered after all. Learn something every day, I guess. 
Ulthar
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2006.01.07 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: Duana
Edited by: Duana on 06/01/2006 19:48:20
Way to take the responsibility... oh wait... nvm.
Telling players not to use them is ridiculous and completely breaks the illusion of a "virtual world"
Instead of doing something like telling users not to use them, why not do something like warn the user it's a criminal act and have concord blow them up if they use them (even in low sec lol)? Or can that not be done without changing client code...
Yea, it's an outrageous fix to the problem, but at least it doesn't break the "EVE" experience in the process.
Because you muppet that would take a client side patch. In the next frigging client side patch they are fixing the bug. And if you didn't want to break the illusion of a virtual world you wouldn't be posting on OOC forums.
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Maver1ck
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Posted - 2006.01.07 04:12:00 -
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CAN YOU STOP CALLING CCP DEV MISTAKE AN EXPLOIT.
WE ARE NOT THE ONE THAT SHOULD ALLWAYS SUFFER.
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Dareenii Ulthar
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Posted - 2006.01.07 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: Maver1ck
CAN YOU STOP CALLING CCP DEV MISTAKE AN EXPLOIT.
WE ARE NOT THE ONE THAT SHOULD ALLWAYS SUFFER.
No, a dev mistake is a BUG. Using that bug to your advantage is the exploit.
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R3dSh1ft
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Posted - 2006.01.07 07:50:00 -
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You screwed up, not the players, its not an exploit, it's a BUG.
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2006.01.07 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: R3dSh1ft
You screwed up, not the players, its not an exploit, it's a BUG.
Yea, and if players could somehow duplicate items without paying for it, that's a bug too and not an exploit.
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Esrevatem Dlareme
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Posted - 2006.01.07 11:56:00 -
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You know. It's somewhat ironic that since the patch, altho I have several wasp I's and II's, I actually havent used them.
I saw this announcement and went in game an looked...and my wasp II's track at 42.9 rad/s. Which is basically fast enough to hit even interceptors, given their 125m sig resolution.
I would have to seriously question how CCP would ever know if a player used wasps on an NPC mission or not, unless they decided to go thru their logs with a fine tooth comb and punish everyone, even thos who didn't yet know. This of course would not sit well with a lot of people, as others in the thread have mentioned there really is more important stuff to be looking into. And furthermore CCP can't really prove that someone did know it was an exploit, unless they happened to see them post about it here on the forums somewhere, so given all this I doubt NPC's will be punished in any way, unless reported by another player, and even then most could claim ignorance.
Of course, I'm one of those ppl that won't take advantage of a situation even tho I know I won't get caught. I needed to train up other Drone Spec skills anyway...
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Peter Armstrong
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Posted - 2006.01.07 12:35:00 -
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Edited by: Peter Armstrong on 07/01/2006 12:41:11
U know i read on the first page and a half and i say this to people that complain. STFU!! I mean tuff. Its a bug and u have to deal with it. Its been on the website etc so people will know. If they dont then why?
Geez man People need STFU and let CCP try and get this sorted for crying out load. CCP Thanks for the news and thxs for working hard!! Simple wasp cant be used so wait or chage not hard where EVER u are!! ITs an Exploit!! Taken advantage of a bug over NPC and Players!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ifni
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Posted - 2006.01.07 12:53:00 -
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And yet, people are still using wasps in combat.
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Dendrin Koljn
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Posted - 2006.01.07 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ifni
And yet, people are still using wasps in combat.
OK now im confused - i thought the whole point was that the wasps nvr missed - well it looks like they hardly ever hit - so whats the prob ??? |
Tasuric Orka
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Posted - 2006.01.07 15:59:00 -
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The fact ccp screwed up does not mean its ok to take advantage of it.
using it andsaying something along the lines of"LOLZ STFU NOOB IT R IN TEH GAME SO I USE IT!1" makes you an cheating bastard, that simple.
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