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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2013.09.03 15:18:00 -
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Any chance that we can get something arranged for this?
I'm not asking for a full api, where you can request market data. Just something similar to what we have (when it's not broken by cache level changes) with EMDR.
A constant stream of market data, ideally weighted by activity, across all of new Eden, which you can hook up to and process.
If this is provided, then it gives the community something it obviously wants, without the nebulous "It's against the EULA, but we won't go after anyone for it" of market data cache scraping.
Perfect data, on request, would be an issue. This style wouldn't.
Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :)
Handy tools and an SDE conversion
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Aineko Macx
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.03 18:30:00 -
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Seconded!
Market data is basic and essential. Every market app out there relies on this data and it's inexcusable that to get it developers need to go to EULA grey areas that put them in the same dirty corner as botters. As a developer, I respectfully insist on CCP providing such a service/API. |
Kid Delicious
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.03 20:53:00 -
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Yes, please. I'd be very happy with an official equivalent of evecentral's marketstat.
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Muscaat
EVE Markets
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Posted - 2013.09.03 21:23:00 -
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This has long been the Holy Grail for many third-party developers. I'd love to see this. |
Mister Saito
All Goats Must Die
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Posted - 2013.09.04 17:40:00 -
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This needs to happen. In-game tools are entirely insufficient for the analysis of wide swaths of a market. Everyone should have access to the same data in as generalized a format as possible. It is impossible to believe that a civilization as advanced as New Eden wouldn't have galaxy-wide market aggregation. Provide us with the data, and we will build the tools. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.04 18:40:00 -
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I wouldn't mind even if it was delayed 24 hours to be honest. I just want ballpark figures. I can go double-check the market for significant movements myself in game if I need to. So I +1 this as well.  |
Desmont McCallock
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Posted - 2013.09.04 19:26:00 -
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I wish you all good luck with your request. I will be extremely surprised if you even get a dev post in this thread. Personally I'm deeply disappointed with CCP, regarding their support to 3rd party devs. |
Drailen
Indicium Technologies
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Posted - 2013.09.04 21:12:00 -
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Agree entirely with the OP and replies so far.
It would be nice to get an official market feed (or a batch of market data published every downtime) but I personally can't see it happening any time soon.
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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
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Posted - 2013.09.04 23:22:00 -
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Signed and hopefully CCP will seal and deliver.
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Undocking - More Routes Out of Station
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Flashmala
Dead Rats Tell No Tales
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Posted - 2013.09.05 01:00:00 -
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OH, YES please! This would be huge for the game. These 3rd party apps add so much to the game, and I encourage CCP to support them!
Age does not diminish the extreme disappointment of having a scoop of ice cream fall from the cone. |
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eldronos
Tritanium Industries and Technology
Ex Cinere Scriptor
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Posted - 2013.09.05 01:15:00 -
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I agree completely. |
Omega Flames
Last Resort Inn
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Posted - 2013.09.05 01:18:00 -
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+9001
<Munnkeh> i'm gonna use that excuse if i ever kill someone. "look, if you keep meeting ppl, it's bound to happen eventually"
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Uther Penfaxe
Uncharted Skies
Cerberus Unleashed
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Posted - 2013.09.05 01:55:00 -
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I think the proposed api feed is an elegant and simple solution, but whether you like it or not, you have to admit something has to be done.
Because 99% of all planing and calculating (which this being eve is at least 50% of the common gameplay) relies, fully or partially, on the practical and fast access to eve single most important data, the worth/price of stuff.
You cant do serious industry without calculating your margin and whoever proposes to do this via the ingame market, item for item cant be serious.
You cant do fitting design without accessible module price data on reasonable scale (few different fits for some ships in a gang) or you will have to look up dozens of items on the market.
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Zyzzy Balubah
Phoenix Ventures
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Posted - 2013.09.05 03:44:00 -
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Putting my name on the list as well. I'd love to see this happen. |
Quantix BlackStar
The Praxis Initiative
Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.09.05 05:03:00 -
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It might be a pipe dream, but I would wholeheartedly support an official market feed API.
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Salvoxia
Evoke.
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2013.09.05 05:11:00 -
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I support this request.
+1 |
Felicity Stihl
ecm-hosting.net
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Posted - 2013.09.05 07:00:00 -
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I support this request |
Rob Crowley
State War Academy
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Posted - 2013.09.05 07:02:00 -
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+1
All cache scraping and no API makes Rob a sad boy. |
Eric Agerwal
Cryosoft
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Posted - 2013.09.05 07:49:00 -
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+1
This would rock. I support wholeheartedly. |
Golden Gnu
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.09.05 10:08:00 -
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+1
Also: Vote for Steve Ronuken for the next CSM, to get this voiced directly to CCP.
We really need a 3rd party developer on the CSM!
Download is the meaning of life, upload is the meaning of intelligent life
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Katai Bou
Boring Research Institute
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Posted - 2013.09.05 11:50:00 -
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+1
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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
Solar Assault Fleet
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Posted - 2013.09.05 11:53:00 -
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+1 indeed
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Drapko Nitzhonot
Abdera Logistics
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Posted - 2013.09.05 12:13:00 -
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+1 |
Green Eyeszs
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.05 13:50:00 -
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+1 |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2013.09.05 13:54:00 -
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The CSM (and CCP) have been poked to look at this thread/request.
FYI, you had a 3rd party dev on the CSM, me. In fact, you still have 3rd party devs on the CSM, including Trebor, Mynnna and Ali Aras.
CSM 7 Secretary
CSM 6 Alternate Delegate
@two_step_eve on Twitter
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2013.09.05 14:03:00 -
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Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :)
Handy tools and an SDE conversion
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Drapko Nitzhonot
Abdera Logistics
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Posted - 2013.09.05 14:48:00 -
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Two step wrote:The CSM (and CCP) have been poked to look at this thread/request.
FYI, you had a 3rd party dev on the CSM, me. In fact, you still have 3rd party devs on the CSM, including Trebor, Mynnna and Ali Aras.
I didn't know there were 3rd party devs on CSM, as Golden Gnu said.
I visit everyday EVE Technology Lab. I can't remember Two step, Trebor, Mynnna or Ali Aras post in this forum (ok, I don't visit every single thread). I think that's why people feel CSM lacks of 3rd party devs.
Using forum search:
Two step (2 pages): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=Two+step&forumID=263
Trebor Daehdoow (1 post): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=Trebor+Daehdoow&forumID=263
Mynnna (3 posts): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=Mynnna&forumID=263
Ali Aras (1 post): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=Ali+Aras&forumID=263
>>All CSM posts (2 pages): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search&forumID=263&csmbadge=1
Versus:
Steve Ronuken (33 pages): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=Steve+Ronuken&forumID=263
That's why I voted Steve for CSM, I do know he cares :)
Thanks for poking CSM and CCP, I hope we get something from this (although I don't think so) |
Yogi Makasoa
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
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Posted - 2013.09.05 14:49:00 -
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+1 Please uncle santa CCP :D This would be a lovely xmas pressie in winter expansion. New haulers are all very well, but updates for traders are... fairly nonexistant so far. |
Wafou Ka'Djo
Yellow Box Ltd.
Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.09.05 15:22:00 -
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+1 |
Sherenifer
Yellow Box Ltd.
Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2013.09.05 15:23:00 -
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+1
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Golden Gnu
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.09.05 15:50:00 -
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I did not know we had 3rd party developers in the CSM, I'm sorry I missed that... 
Anyway, I still want Steve Ronuken on the next CSM, because he is very much a part of the 3rd party developer community.
Also, sorry for going off-topic, this will be the last off-topic post from me - promise...
Download is the meaning of life, upload is the meaning of intelligent life
http://eve.nikr.net - home of jEveAssets |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2013.09.05 18:16:00 -
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Drapko Nitzhonot wrote:Two step wrote:The CSM (and CCP) have been poked to look at this thread/request.
FYI, you had a 3rd party dev on the CSM, me. In fact, you still have 3rd party devs on the CSM, including Trebor, Mynnna and Ali Aras. I didn't know there were 3rd party devs on CSM, as Golden Gnu said. I visit everyday EVE Technology Lab. I can't remember Two step, Trebor, Mynnna or Ali Aras post in this forum (ok, I don't visit every single thread). I think that's why people feel CSM lacks of 3rd party devs. Using forum search: Two step (2 pages): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=Two+step&forumID=263Trebor Daehdoow (1 post): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=Trebor+Daehdoow&forumID=263Mynnna (3 posts): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=Mynnna&forumID=263Ali Aras (1 post): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=Ali+Aras&forumID=263>>All CSM posts (2 pages): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search&forumID=263&csmbadge=1Versus: Steve Ronuken (33 pages): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search&postedby=Steve+Ronuken&forumID=263That's why I voted Steve for CSM, I do know he cares :) Thanks for poking CSM and CCP, I hope we get something from this (although I don't think so)
Quantity has a quality all its own I guess... :P
Those 2 pages of my posts only count the posts on the new forums. I was also active on the old forums as well. You might also see the posts I made on the EDK killboard forum, where I fixed a couple of major bugs, or check out the presentation I did at the DevTrack at Fanfest 2 years ago.
One of the extremely frustrating things about EVE's 3rd party devs is that you guys don't generally do *any* reaching out to the CSM at all (in my experience). Did any of you get in touch with any of the current CSM members about this request? When you are on the CSM, it isn't easy to visit each and ever subforum all the time, and we rely on players pointing us to major issues. Otherwise, you might get lucky, but you are far more likely to just not be heard.
CSM 7 Secretary
CSM 6 Alternate Delegate
@two_step_eve on Twitter
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2013.09.05 20:36:00 -
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Not directly. But Ali did respond to a tweet of mine on the subject  Then there's the post I stuck up in the Jita park forum.
I'm far from complaining about the response of the CSM.
I just wanted to get what was in my head out for people to see directly, without any filters between me and them.
Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :)
Handy tools and an SDE conversion
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Desmont McCallock
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Posted - 2013.09.05 21:24:00 -
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Golden Gnu wrote:+1
Also: Vote for Steve Ronuken for the next CSM, to get this voiced directly to CCP.
We really need a 3rd party developer on the CSM!
I second that. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2013.09.05 21:27:00 -
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Desmont McCallock wrote:Golden Gnu wrote:+1
Also: Vote for Steve Ronuken for the next CSM, to get this voiced directly to CCP.
We really need a 3rd party developer on the CSM! I second that.
Thanks for pushing out the EveMon update :)
Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :)
Handy tools and an SDE conversion
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Aphelion Thunderclap
Digital Machines
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Posted - 2013.09.05 22:25:00 -
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i approve of this |
Ydnari
Estrale Frontiers
Project Wildfire
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Posted - 2013.09.05 22:40:00 -
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Aphelion Thunderclap wrote:i approve of this
seal of approval confirmed
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Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.06 03:01:00 -
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/signed |
Gothikia
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.06 06:39:00 -
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Yup! +1
It's about time that this happened tbh... 
<3 Gothie |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2013.09.06 07:01:00 -
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Desmont McCallock wrote:Golden Gnu wrote:+1
Also: Vote for Steve Ronuken for the next CSM, to get this voiced directly to CCP.
We really need a 3rd party developer on the CSM! I second that.
+2
I third that.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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6ie
The Kiwis
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Posted - 2013.09.09 17:36:00 -
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me too. |
matarkhan
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Insidious Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.10 19:07:00 -
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Yo tambien. |
deathghost
Epidemic.
Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2013.09.12 10:45:00 -
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1.Make it so market data can not be collected, so prices can sky rocket
2.Ships and just about everything cost more
3.CCp sells more plex now
Dont make our experience worse so you can make more money, remember the players keep the lights on. |
Mossyblog Barnes
RIAGENIC
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Posted - 2013.10.19 11:03:00 -
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If this happens then trading in game would probably collapse given the nature of accuracy would result in market crashes. Given today we all rely on IGB and cache scraping it still adds a buffer that spaces out trades to in a way "luck".
If it were to be released 1hr delay then that would work IMHO as getting the scrapping can give a bit of an edge but also means players just can't second trade as much as an hourly latency ? |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.10.19 15:52:00 -
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Mossyblog Barnes wrote:If this happens then trading in game would probably collapse given the nature of accuracy would result in market crashes. Given today we all rely on IGB and cache scraping it still adds a buffer that spaces out trades to in a way "luck".
If it were to be released 1hr delay then that would work IMHO as getting the scrapping can give a bit of an edge but also means players just can't second trade as much as an hourly latency ?
I fully agree that 'perfect' market data, on demand, would be a significant issue. I cover that in the blog post in my request  I'd written that, then posted this later.
Short version: Add caching. so the very first person to request an item's price, in a region, gets the up to date value. Everyone else, for the next hour, gets the same data. It would emulate the effect we get with cache scraping now.
The EMDR style firehose of market data would also be good, as players would have no control over what's coming out of it. It's perfect, at the time it's published, but without control, there's no problem.
Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :)
Handy tools and an SDE conversion
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
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