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Lame Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.04 17:00:00 -
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I have a high sec POS, a single player corp recently war dec'ed us. I have 16 ECM batteries (4 of each type) 3 Damper batteries, 3 Web batteries and 2 warp distribution batteries. Somehow this single player was able to warp to the POS and incap one of the batteries. How the heck could he do that with so much ewar? This is high-sec, so he isn't using a capital. According to the notifications, he was there for an hour, then left.
A) Shouldn't 16 ECM batteries make it impossible for a single ship to maintain a lock???? B) How did he warp away if he was triple webbed and warp disrupted up to 300km from the tower?
Yes, I am pretty new to POS batteries, had them up for a few months but never got to see them work, being in high sec they are hard to test. |

Andre Vauban
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.09.04 17:14:00 -
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Lame Alt wrote:I have a high sec POS, a single player corp recently war dec'ed us. I have 16 ECM batteries (4 of each type) 3 Damper batteries, 3 Web batteries and 2 warp distribution batteries. Somehow this single player was able to warp to the POS and incap one of the batteries. How the heck could he do that with so much ewar? This is high-sec, so he isn't using a capital. According to the notifications, he was there for an hour, then left.
A) Shouldn't 16 ECM batteries make it impossible for a single ship to maintain a lock???? B) How did he warp away if he was triple webbed and warp disrupted up to 300km from the tower?
Yes, I am pretty new to POS batteries, had them up for a few months but never got to see them work, being in high sec they are hard to test.
Most likely ECCM + heavy drones. QCATS is recruiting: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180 |

PhatController
Mum Rider Alliance Abandon PlayGrounds
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Posted - 2013.09.04 17:18:00 -
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Andre Vauban wrote:Lame Alt wrote:I have a high sec POS, a single player corp recently war dec'ed us. I have 16 ECM batteries (4 of each type) 3 Damper batteries, 3 Web batteries and 2 warp distribution batteries. Somehow this single player was able to warp to the POS and incap one of the batteries. How the heck could he do that with so much ewar? This is high-sec, so he isn't using a capital. According to the notifications, he was there for an hour, then left.
A) Shouldn't 16 ECM batteries make it impossible for a single ship to maintain a lock???? B) How did he warp away if he was triple webbed and warp disrupted up to 300km from the tower?
Yes, I am pretty new to POS batteries, had them up for a few months but never got to see them work, being in high sec they are hard to test. Most likely ECCM + heavy drones.
ECCM, drones and warp stabs? With the way pos guns work only a couple of your batteries at a time would even have him locked as they cycle? Without POS gunners they are not particularly effective.
Another possibly was a long range fit out of range of your web/disruptors, like a sniper rokh or cruise raven or something like that. |

Roime
Ten Thousand Years Shinjiketo
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Posted - 2013.09.04 17:22:00 -
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A) yes, they certainly would break the lock A) but because you haven't actually told your POS to attack anyone, the ECMs and points just stare into the void, lifeless. The relevant checkbox requiring your attention is nonobscurely named "Attack if at war"
Also;
"Not a single **** about ECM was given that day." - Dominix
90% of EVE-O posts are read in Cartman voice by the common screen reader programs.-á |

Lame Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.04 17:26:00 -
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So you are saying that even with only one ship on grid the batteries will still cycle? I assumed they would all engage the one target and only cycle if there was more than one.
Pretty sure he isn't out ranging the station. The sensor dampening batteries have a range of 300km and should cut his range down to a point where he can't out range the other things.
Sounds like I just need to use an alt account to create a corp and war dec myself to play around with how it works. |

Lame Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.04 17:28:00 -
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Roime wrote:A) yes, they certainly would break the lock A) but because you haven't actually told your POS to attack anyone, the ECMs and points just stare into the void, lifeless. The relevant checkbox requiring your attention is nonobscurely named "Attack if at war"
Also;
"Not a single **** about ECM was given that day." - Dominix
That check box was already checked. |

Roime
Ten Thousand Years Shinjiketo
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Posted - 2013.09.04 17:31:00 -
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Ok, in that case the answer is drones, all the ECM and damps in the world can't stop a sentry ship from firing once it gets a lock on you and is alive. If you don't have any guns there, he can just put the drones to work and go for a coffee or watch educational internet videos.
Same with the web & points, since he had all the time in the world, he can just slowly burn out of the range of the defenses and warp out.
90% of EVE-O posts are read in Cartman voice by the common screen reader programs.-á |

Lame Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.04 17:37:00 -
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Roime wrote:Ok, in that case the answer is drones, all the ECM and damps in the world can't stop a sentry ship from firing once it gets a lock on you and is alive. If you don't have any guns there, he can just put the drones to work and go for a coffee or watch educational internet videos.
Same with the web & points, since he had all the time in the world, he can just slowly burn out of the range of the defenses and warp out.
That makes sense. So you are saying that the ewar batteries will not target drones but a gun battery would? Do you know if a gun battery would target the drones first, or would they focus on his ship? My problem is that I only have a medium tower, so putting up enough guns to break a battleship tank is nearly impossible. |

Cage Man
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Posted - 2013.09.04 19:57:00 -
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If he has a neutral repper to keep him alive, will the pos switch to the neutral rep, maybe that's how he survived. But as everyone said, without a pos gunner, the pos is pretty much useless against anyone who knows what they are doing. But on the bright side he only incapped a single battery, not the POS. I suspect though that he was trying to get you to fight so his alts could jump in and help him win. The thick plottens... |

Belt Bitch
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.05 03:09:00 -
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Lame Alt wrote:I have a high sec POS, a single player corp recently war dec'ed us. I have 16 ECM batteries (4 of each type) 3 Damper batteries, 3 Web batteries and 2 warp distribution batteries. Somehow this single player was able to warp to the POS and incap one of the batteries. How the heck could he do that with so much ewar? This is high-sec, so he isn't using a capital. According to the notifications, he was there for an hour, then left.
A) Shouldn't 16 ECM batteries make it impossible for a single ship to maintain a lock???? B) How did he warp away if he was triple webbed and warp disrupted up to 300km from the tower?
Yes, I am pretty new to POS batteries, had them up for a few months but never got to see them work, being in high sec they are hard to test.
If you put Capital or T2 BPOS in the tower labs the tower cannot be destroyed. |
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Lame Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.05 04:03:00 -
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Lame Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.09.05 04:03:00 -
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Quote:If you put Capital or T2 BPOS in the tower labs the tower cannot be destroyed.
Don't be silly, we keep those floating in low sec space in secure contains labeled "T2 BPOs" just like everyone else does. |

Trinkets friend
Rules of Acquisition Acquisition Of Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.05 07:35:00 -
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Dickstars (for that is what this is) are great for slowing down a reinforcement, but they can never stop it. The Domi can get a lock, attack with sentries, and then afk it forever. Scoop drones, MJD out of dissy range, warp back, repeat.
Proper dickstars, however, should have at least some medium rails. Say, 6. This is enough to force off a Domi or four.
You could also play around with going full dampstar and medium blasters. After the first module dies, he'll have to motor in to 7km to target the next one. Which should be well within your blaster range, trolol DPS. YOLO is the Carpe Diem of Gen Y http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.05 08:17:00 -
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I wonder if a 245km Domi can go off grid and shoot at batteries while invisible. Do pos modules extend grid? |

GreenSeed
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Posted - 2013.09.05 11:23:00 -
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PoSes have 350km grids |

Sir SmashAlot
The League of Extraordinary Opportunists Intergalactic Conservation Movement
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Posted - 2013.09.05 13:47:00 -
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MJD is not affected by distruptors. Scram battery will fix that. Add some medium guns (no missile based) and it should keep him away. |

Goretorium
BadWolf Gaming WINMATAR.
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Posted - 2013.09.16 06:20:00 -
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Or... Internal Spais Sappin Mah Pos.
I know most people who intend on pos takedown at least try to get a spy in your corp with roles to make their lives easier or at least find out who has roles and is unhappy and can be swayed to offline and or otherwise incapacitate your PoS. |

Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels The Obsidian Front
369
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Posted - 2013.09.16 08:43:00 -
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Or just a bomber, two vollies, and cloke, two vollies and cloke. Towers have a VERY long locking time, and one battery will take about 1 hour for a bomber. Nisroc Angels - The Obsidian Front Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".
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Dreadeye
Black Thorne Corporation The Cursed Few
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Posted - 2013.09.16 18:23:00 -
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One of my friends corp got wardecked lately, cant remember the name of the decker.
we checked agressors war history, and its basicly a corp that does in high sec pos take downs. I thought too that having a dickstar would help as the agressor is a small corp, but i noticed he had taken down a dickstar with a smartbombins maelstrom. the idea is sound if he can tank the pos or if theres no guns he doesnt have to wrry about damage then he just sits there for ages smartbombing away
you could also have set the pos up wrong.
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Sir SmashAlot
The League of Extraordinary Opportunists Intergalactic Conservation Movement
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Posted - 2013.09.16 19:28:00 -
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Dreadeye wrote:One of my friends corp got wardecked lately, cant remember the name of the decker.
we checked agressors war history, and its basicly a corp that does in high sec pos take downs. I thought too that having a dickstar would help as the agressor is a small corp, but i noticed he had taken down a dickstar with a smartbombins maelstrom. the idea is sound if he can tank the pos or if theres no guns he doesnt have to wrry about damage then he just sits there for ages smartbombing away
you could also have set the pos up wrong.
also he can just slow boat away from scram range and warp.
One alt outside the corp would ruin his day. |
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Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.09.17 18:59:00 -
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Belt ***** wrote:Lame Alt wrote:I have a high sec POS, a single player corp recently war dec'ed us. I have 16 ECM batteries (4 of each type) 3 Damper batteries, 3 Web batteries and 2 warp distribution batteries. Somehow this single player was able to warp to the POS and incap one of the batteries. How the heck could he do that with so much ewar? This is high-sec, so he isn't using a capital. According to the notifications, he was there for an hour, then left.
A) Shouldn't 16 ECM batteries make it impossible for a single ship to maintain a lock???? B) How did he warp away if he was triple webbed and warp disrupted up to 300km from the tower?
Yes, I am pretty new to POS batteries, had them up for a few months but never got to see them work, being in high sec they are hard to test. If you put Capital or T2 BPOS in the tower labs the tower cannot be destroyed. I thought the trolling / scams were supposed to stay in EVE? |

Gary Bell
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
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Posted - 2013.09.24 12:42:00 -
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If you dident have any guns or dps he prob just sat there pointed with drones.. Read a guide rather then spam the forums with your derp questions..
Simple warp in launch and aggro drones.. go afk.. Come back 2 hrs later MJD away and warp off.. or set an allign and go afk again.. with nothing to kill him who cares if your pointed.. esp in highsec |

Katherine Raven
ALTA Industries Intergalactic Conservation Movement
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Posted - 2013.09.24 17:33:00 -
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Large Towers all the way. Lots more options for having a few guns mixed in with your ECM. From the sounds of it the attack happened while you were not logged in / not in system. That can be difficult to deal with, and that's where the large towers come in. The extra padding makes defense a lot easier.
To counter the drone ships, add a couple medium turrets.
To counter the smart bombs, spread out your turrets so that no more that 2 can be hit by large smart bombs, and again, a couple medium turrets.
Pure ECM will only make things take longer, it won't keep you safe forever. |

Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Forsak3n.
342
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Posted - 2013.09.24 20:11:00 -
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Drone Domi w/MJD. Drop some/all of that EWAR and add some lasers. Free Ripley Weaver! |
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